Bohs player accused of racsim.

[pixiehead]

no mention of him being injured or suspended for the match either so i presume its him involved?

McGuinness???

[SMorgan]

Really, thats how you'd define racism?

A pr!ck that uses race to attack another person.

The worst you've heard my arse.

[John83]

I saw we nuke Dalymount from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

[LeixlipRed]

I saw we nuke Dalymount from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

But what if we get, ahem, you know, one of them?

[passerrby]

I saw we nuke Dalymount from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

if you where to do that you could ruin there chances of bohs making a killing on the sale of dalymount, which could make them the richist club in the land, bloody hell what a great idea sell the ground make a fortune and move out to the sticks and build a new cheap ground ,why have they not thought of this before

[micls]

Whatever you're opinions on the punishment from the FAI surely if proven Bohs cannot keep this player in the squad? Ffs what message would that send out to Ndo, or any other player for that matter.

When he's named he should be roundly booed by all fans in every game. show these *****s that it not acceptable

[irishultra]

I don't agree. It needs to be open, let him explain himself to Boco, plead for an apology and just make it clear that he was acting the idiot.

It depends on the context, if he was hammering him with abuse all match then a different approach would need to be taken but if its just a comment it should be out in the open.

[Rovers1]

I don't agree. It needs to be open, let him explain himself to Boco, plead for an apology and just make it clear that he was acting the idiot.
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Agree, let McGuiness apologise, let the FAI fine him, whatever. Im sure he regrets it, so let it be and let it go. Im sure Rommy has forgotten about it by now.

[passerrby]

these comments were nothing more than ignorance and without knowing the player am sure he regrets his stupity ,he should be punished but its important that we keep a perspective on this.

[LeixlipRed]

he should be punished but its important that we keep a perspective on this.

Indeed. Hang him I say ;)

[Dodge]

A pr!ck that uses race to attack another person.

The worst you've heard my arse.

Absolutely the worst I've heard in person. Nothing even comes close tbh

[SMorgan]

Absolutely the worst I've heard in person. Nothing even comes close tbh

Well its as simple as this, I don't believe you.

First point is, if you say its the worst you've heard then it suggests you've heard other incidents of it. Of all my years watching playing I've never heard a player giving another player racist abuse, nor would I ever expect to.

Also, around the period in question I recall a match between Dundalk and St Pats when I was in the shed and I didn't hear a single racist comment during the whole match. Now, obviously I can't rule out the possibility of somebody said something. However, after the match St Pats fans were tripping over themselves to catalog a list of racist abuse with some claiming that a particular player got racist abuse 'every single time he touched the ball', which I can absolutely say was a load of b@llix. However, your claim that you heard a player giving racist abuse is a new one.

Did you make this accusation at the time of the incident or did you make it up since?

[Dodge]

Well its as simple as this, I don't believe you.
Fine.


First point is, if you say its the worst you've heard then it suggests you've heard other incidents of it. Of all my years watching playing I've never heard a player giving another player racist abuse, nor would I ever expect to.
I've heard rascist abuse, just one the football field.


Also, around the period in question I recall a match between Dundalk and St Pats when I was in the shed and I didn't hear a single racist comment during the whole match. Now, obviously I can't rule out the possibility of somebody said something. However, after the match St Pats fans were tripping over themselves to catalog a list of racist abuse with some claiming that a particular player got racist abuse 'every single time he touched the ball', which I can absolutely say was a load of b@llix. However, your claim that you heard a player giving racist abuse is a new one.

Ask over on www.saintsforum.net whether anyone else has memories of the incident? I guarantee you others will


Did you make this accusation at the time of the incident or did you make it up since?
You didn't hear, fair enough. But don't ****ing patronise me

[red bellied]

I have to say in the most part that racist abuse is non exsistent in the Loi and its along time since I heard anything in the Showgrounds. The Bohs lad probably reacted after Boco made a fool of him for most of the game, well played Boco for winding him up....

[SligoBrewer]

You didn't hear, fair enough. But don't ****ing patonise me.

I think you'll find that it's spelled patronise or even patronize.

[Dodge]

I think you'll find that it's spelled patronise or even patronize.

He hee he.

[sadloserkid]

I think you'll find that it's spelled patronise or even patronize.

Don't patonise him! :)

[Buile Shuibhne]

http://www.setanta.com//uk/Articles/Football/2009/04/28/LOI-Bohemians-discipline-McGuinness/gnid-50597/

[Dodge]

Any idea of what sanctions Bohs imposed?

[Buile Shuibhne]

Bohs are said to have hit the player in question with a heavy fine and Fenlon believes that the requisite action has been taken.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/fenlon-insists-inhouse-punishment-has-drawn-line-under-bohemians-race-row-1720612.html

[KK77]

I see the player in question was named during lunch. Reading Fenlon's comments don't come across well. It's bloody very serious matter.

[wexfordned]

I see the player in question was named during lunch. Reading Fenlon's comments don't come across well. It's bloody very serious matter.

Fenlon fined him & dropped him from the squad for last Friday. He also made him apologise to the player & Cook after the game. I think you'll find Fenlon is taking it serious.

Also I can't believe I'm typing this, but Roddy was right last night on MNS. Ringing up Curtis Fleming in Middlesborough for f**ks sake. Whole segment devoted to something where nobody even knows what the player said.

Why don't they ring Joey Ndo see how he treats him in training and the dressing room.

[Dodge]

Also I can't believe I'm typing this, but Roddy was right last night on MNS. Ringing up Curtis Fleming in Middlesborough for f**ks sake. Whole segment devoted to something where nobody even knows what the player said.


I'd imagine nearly everyone knows what was said at this stage in fairness. Obviously we can't talk about it here but its pretty much common knowledge.

[southside hoop]

it's a disgrace the player should'nt be allowed play in this league again

[KK77]

I'd imagine nearly everyone knows what was said at this stage in fairness. Obviously we can't talk about it here but its pretty much common knowledge.

Exactly.

[BohDiddley]

Bohs confirm disciplinary action (http://bohemians.ie/news/club-news/136-bohemians-confirms-player-disciplined-over-sligo-incident.html)


The club has made written submissions to the FAI Disciplinary Committee in relation to the Sligo incident. The committee will hold a hearing on the case on 6th May. The board of Bohemian FC states that this is the proper forum for adjudication of the evidence on this incident.

[Dodge]

Bohs are dealing with it well IMO. Internal discipline and then hand the case over to the league. Its up to them if they further sanction is neccesary.

[Lim till i die]

BURN HIM!!!!!

Burn him with FIRE!!!!!!








:rolleyes:

Read an interview with Clarence Seedorf in World Soccer once which was pretty much spot on with regards to racism in football.

Still, you'll always find enough people looking for a direction in which to wring their hands, furrow their brows and have a good long tut......

[Dalymountrower]

it's a disgrace the player should'nt be allowed play in this league again

OK, the man misconducted himself in the heat of the moment, he aplogised directly after the game to the individual on the receiving end of the unacceptable comments.
Now if you can take off your anti-Bohs goggles for a minute , do you truly believe that he should be deprived of his livelhood against that background? We have had habitual cocaine users in the league who have not faced the type of sanction proposed by you.
By all means use the general issue as a stick to beat Bohs with, but continuing to ratchet up a campaign for an individual player to be put on the scrap heap and branded a "racist" is grossly unfair.

[Dodge]

do you truly believe that he should be deprived of his livelhood against that background? We have had habitual cocaine users in the league who have not faced the type of sanction proposed by you

Interesting question. Is a rascist worse than a cokehead?

[Dalymountrower]

Interesting question. Is a rascist worse than a cokehead?

Well one is guilty of a crime with mandatory sentencing etc, the other , unless the actions can be tied to little used "Incitement to Hatred " legislation, remains a civil law offence under Equality Legislation . Theres no specific aspect of the criminal code dealing with racism afaik and the Irish Government is now obliged to introduce such measures by November 2010 to comply with some European Directive or other. A timescale which they will push back to give them more time to dismantle all of the good work in this area by the Equality Authority over the past eight + years.

Should taking Coke deprive you of your livelihood as a footballer? It should merit a time ban alright with regular drug testing thereafter.
Not sure if theres an ongoing testing regime for alleged racists who have "reformed" ?
A junior Minister describing Turkish Workers as "Kebab Eaters" is apparently acceptable language in our national parliament...so who knows?

[brianw82]

Bohs have dealt with this well, IMO. If the committee finds their punishment to be acceptable, hopefully that will be the end of the matter and we can get on with football.

[Ezeikial]

More Fenlon Gems

"It's disappointing. It's disappointing that players are abused every week but what can you do? That's the way it is"

This is a weak and inadequate from Pat Fenlon - it's not disappointing it's simply unacceptable and Fenlon should say so!

"What we've done at this club before is that any problems we have in the dressing room are dealt with in the dressing room," said Fenlon.

Thats fair enough if the problem is in the dressing room - but this was on the pitch.

Would it be cyncial of me to think that Fenlon / Bohemians reactions are motivated by trying to avoid a ban, rather then a genuine recognition that racial abuse should not be tolerated.

[roversforever]

Im struggling to understand this attitude that bohs have dealt with it well. I was very disappointed with what fenlon said in the indo yesterday. What really bugged me was that he felt it was dealt with internally and should be left at that, In my opinion that was trying to protect the player because he hadn't even been officially named at that stage. The least i would expect is that the player be named and shamed,as has happened since but my immediate reaction after reading the article was that they were trying to get the player off very lightly,something that would also benefit themselves as in terms of him avoiding further suspension.

[Dodge]

Im struggling to understand this attitude that bohs have dealt with it well. I was very disappointed with what fenlon said in the indo yesterday

Fenlon isn't Bohs.

Bohs fined and suspended the player, and have submitted their info to the FAi for further action. They've made a point of saying that he apologised, and have re-iterated that they as a club abhor racism.

Not much more they can do until after the FAI hearing

[Rovers Maniac]

How long is he suspended for?

[Dodge]

Dunno, he missed Friday's game anyway

[Réiteoir]

Just knew it'd be some of the Rovers lot being the only ones to hurl their vitriol at Bohs like a Liverpool fan slinging ****e at the Mancs - should have whacked a few quid on it happening down at Paddy Power.

The club has handled this well - and actually acknowledged this as an issue - unlike another club who (I still believe) has a convicted hooligan on the board...

[WoodquayBoy]

Apart from certain quotes by Fenlon, I think Bohs are handling this very well, reaction was immediate, a lot better than the 'shush and it will go away' attitude of United when Mauro Almeida was racially abused by, ahem, 'fans', during his post match interview in Terryland last year. Bit of hand wringing for a week, then it disappeared off the radar. There is no difference between a player racially abusing somone and a fan doing the same

[Duffman]

I wonder will he be back in the Bohs team to mark Darren Mansaram on Friday night.

[Dodge]

Well one is guilty of a crime with mandatory sentencing etc, the other , unless the actions can be tied to little used "Incitement to Hatred " legislation, remains a civil law offence under Equality Legislation . Theres no specific aspect of the criminal code dealing with racism afaik and the Irish Government is now obliged to introduce such measures by November 2010 to comply with some European Directive or other. A timescale which they will push back to give them more time to dismantle all of the good work in this area by the Equality Authority over the past eight + years.

Should taking Coke deprive you of your livelihood as a footballer? It should merit a time ban alright with regular drug testing thereafter.
Not sure if theres an ongoing testing regime for alleged racists who have "reformed" ?
A junior Minister describing Turkish Workers as "Kebab Eaters" is apparently acceptable language in our national parliament...so who knows?

So you've become less hard on racists in the last month or so?

http://foot.ie/forums/showthread.php?t=114456

[CSFShels]

So you've become less hard on racists in the last month or so?

http://foot.ie/forums/showthread.php?t=114456
Haha amazing.

[Dalymountrower]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalymountrower
In fairness to a lot of Rovers fans they have identified it as unacceptable racial abuse. I was simply trying to gauge the reaction without identifying the club or player.

Yeah that was my reference to how a lot of Rovers fans reacted to the racial abuse by their own number of N`do. I suggested a fine for such behaviour not lifetime bans, maybe you can point to something more specific in the thread rather than a general unsupported assertion

[Dalymountrower]

Haha amazing.

Amazing that Rovers didn`t get fined or amazing that Dodge was ambiguous about whether the abuse heaped on N`do was racist or not?
Do tell.

[roversforever]

Fenlon isn't Bohs.

Bohs fined and suspended the player, and have submitted their info to the FAi for further action. They've made a point of saying that he apologised, and have re-iterated that they as a club abhor racism.

Not much more they can do until after the FAI hearing

ok i accept your point but would you not agree that,as manager,fenlon is the public face of the club?Surely he should be backing what they've done rather than coming out with what he did in the indo?

[Dodge]

ok i accept your point but would you not agree that,as manager,fenlon is the public face of the club?Surely he should be backing what they've done rather than coming out with what he did in the indo?

Absolutely, but he's only concerned about how his team performs. He should've kept his mouth shut IMO, or simply stated that the club are dealing with it

[BohDiddley]

Would it be cyncial of me to think that Fenlon / Bohemians reactions are motivated by trying to avoid a ban, rather then a genuine recognition that racial abuse should not be tolerated.
Yes. I think it would, because there is no evidence for that. Or, as has been the case with much discussion of the topic so far, you are more motivated by cheap point-scoring than by, as you put it, genuine concern about racism.

Why do you presume that the club does not recognise that racism shouldn't be tolerated?

[Ezeikial]

Fenlon isn't Bohs.

Bohs fined and suspended the player, and have submitted their info to the FAi for further action. They've made a point of saying that he apologised, and have re-iterated that they as a club abhor racism.

Not much more they can do until after the FAI hearing

You are right there Dodge - Fenlon isn't Bohs, he is merely the manager who has the frontline job in being responsible for the team (and their actions) he puts on the pitch.

When a manager speaks to the media, would you have us believe that he speaks in a personal capacity?

Fenlons pathetic utterances puts additional pressure on Bohemians and the FAI to deal more stridently with this admitted racial abuse.

[Dodge]

When a manager speaks to the media, would you have us believe that he speaks in a personal capacity?

Absolutely, this is the LOI ffs. There are very few spin doctors about instructing club employees what to say, and what not to say. Without question what happened was a journo rang Pat and asked him for a quote. He didn't contact bohs looking for something official. You're reading far too much into it IMO

Absolutely the clubs should be held responsible for the actions and words of their managers, but lets not try and make out that this is some huge conspiracy. Dramaqueen ********ology...

[sonofstan]

Why do you presume that the club does not recognise that racism should be tolerated?

Best amend this before further point scoring, no?

i swore I'd keep out of this, because a discussion about race on a football message board is a recipe for raised blood pressure without a commensurable raising of consciousness: just to say, I think Bohs, so far, have handled this well, as have Sligo, who have not leapt into print with any point scoring ' Boco -my Race Abuse Hell' stories. McG deserves heavy sanctions from club and FAI, but calls for a lifetime ban are just silly.

The real issue about racism and irish football is nothing to do with the league: racist abuse from league supporters is rare enough, even if attitudes are a little naive. Where the issue really need to be dealt with is at schoolboy level where the next generation of irish footballers, a generation that should, by right, have a significant black cohort, is being formed. Kids at that age are a) more likely to suffer abuse and b) more likely to suffer as a consequence, even if 'just' from feeling of exclusion.