Man U

[old git]

CSKA surely worth a bet at around 3/1

usually freezing weather over there and long trip plus united without a few players, evra, fletcher, park, giggs, maybe rooney

looks tempting at 3/1 rooney definatly out now and vidic struggling to be fit also :ball:

[CF1989]

van der sar
oshea
ferdinand
evans
fabio
nani
carrick
scholes
anderson
valencia
berbatov

not the strongest side ever, wont be much different to that id say

[old git]

van der sar
oshea
ferdinand
evans
fabio
nani
carrick
scholes
anderson
valencia
berbatov

not the strongest side ever, wont be much different to that id say

might even rest van der sar / berbatov with liverpool game in mind at weekend and start foster / kuzchech and owen :ball:

[KK77]

van der sar
oshea
ferdinand
evans
fabio
nani
carrick
scholes
anderson
valencia
berbatov

not the strongest side ever, wont be much different to that id say

Not the weakest side either mate.

[Roo69]

3/1 is a very good price alright for CSKA. Defo worth a few quid. Can't see United winning this with the amount of players out (5 i think) and with Sunday's match in mind as well. I reckon United can still qualifiy if they lose thise game.

On another note, i was reading Liverpool's online shop has sold out of beachballs and they reckon United fans have purchased a load of them for the game on Sunday. Great banter ! much better than what normally goes on between the 2 sets of fans.

[CF1989]

CSKA are rank!

[rambler14]

CSKA are rank!

Their keeper looks excellent though!

[shakermaker1982]

walk in the park for United last night. A number of key players missing and they still get the job done. Strength in depth is what keeps you in contention trophies.

O'Shea was in MF last night and tidied up nicely. Didn't impose himself greatly on the game but did his job and left the fancy stuff to Scholes (beautiful passing again). Nani looked dangerous but was still too wasteful.

[rambler14]

Gary Neville and Scholes were Uniteds best players last night.

Nani is the most wasteful player Ferguson has ever signed. I class him as Man United's answer to Aiden McGeady. By that I mean, he gets it in his head that he doesn't have to do the simple pass or cross the ball when there is space to do so instead he gets this urge to take on 5 players and ultimately doesn't get past the first player!

[rambler14]

United were useless! Well Done Liverpool.

A few gripes though:
-Rio Ferdinand is crap!
-Nani is crap!
-Luis Valencia couldn't cross the road.
-Andre Marriner is a bottler and the newest addition to my list of enemies!
-What does Jamie Carragher have to do to get sent off?
-What does Lucas have to do to get a yellow card? Was he ridin the referee? 6 blatant fouls and no yellow card!

[apo11o]

John O Shea wouldent get on the Waterford United team.
The ref was awfull.
United never tested pool keeper, prob deserved to lose.

[rambler14]

John O Shea wouldent get on the Waterford United team.
The ref was awfull.
United never tested pool keeper, prob deserved to lose.

No probably about it!

John O'Shea wasn't helped by Valencia. He let O'Shea down big time by constantly pulling out of tackles and generally positioning himself too close to O'Shea.

[Infadel]

I'm a bit surprised that Whiskey nose didn't start Anderson who would probably contribute more energy and flair in the midfield than Carrick

[old git]

I'm a bit surprised that Whiskey nose didn't start Anderson who would probably contribute more energy and flair in the midfield than Carrick

would agree .. also what is up with fletcher is he injured .. all over the pitch utd 2nd best ,,, liverpool left back terrible and still valencia could not cross in a ball and giggs not much better on other wing utd had nothing up front berbatov looks so lazy even rooney looked off pace but in fairness he's been injured for last week -10 days ,, utd midfield was terrible and centre defense very shaky ferdinand out muscled by torres for goal ... liverpool were there to be taken today but utd never had a go at them looked like fergie sent them out looking for a draw today ... after todays performance i would say more of a crisis at utd than liverpool :confused:

[shakermaker1982]

Liverpool deserved the win but Man Utd were very poor. When I saw the line up I knew the midfield was in trouble. Benitez was spot on tactically. He made sure Johnson didn't bomb forward and had Aurelio to track back and cover Insua. Lucas and Masha just got stuck into Carrick and Scholes and they were forced into mistakes.

O'Shea passing was disgraceful today. Watch how many times he gave the ball away in the first 10 minutes.... His long punt to nobody ended up giving Liverpool the ball for the 1st goal.

Van Der Sar and Evra were the only Man Utd players to come out of the game with any credit.

The ref? Bizarre. How many niggling fouls can Lucas and Masha get away with in 1 game? Torres trips over himself and Evra gets booked. I thought United should have had two penalties. Carragher should have been sent off and Vidic should have let Kuyt run on because he'd have probably missed!!

[old git]

Liverpool deserved the win but Man Utd were very poor. When I saw the line up I knew the midfield was in trouble. Benitez was spot on tactically. He made sure Johnson didn't bomb forward and had Aurelio to track back and cover Insua. Lucas and Masha just got stuck into Carrick and Scholes and they were forced into mistakes.

O'Shea passing was disgraceful today. Watch how many times he gave the ball away in the first 10 minutes.... His long punt to nobody ended up giving Liverpool the ball for the 1st goal.

Van Der Sar and Evra were the only Man Utd players to come out of the game with any credit.

The ref? Bizarre. How many niggling fouls can Lucas and Masha get away with in 1 game? Torres trips over himself and Evra gets booked. I thought United should have had two penalties. Carragher should have been sent off and Vidic should have let Kuyt run on because he'd have probably missed!!

would disagree on penaltys .. but agree on ref lucas at least 7 -8 fouls & no booking :mad: nobody can say after today utd always get ref's decisions and don't hear to many complaining about the 6 -7 mins injury time at end of game also :D

[shakermaker1982]

Agger took out Giggs in the first half and that was a foul.

I keep watching the Carragher/Carrick incident and it looks like a foul to me.

[old git]

Agger took out Giggs in the first half and that was a foul.

I keep watching the Carragher/Carrick incident and it looks like a foul to me.

looked like carragher just got a touch on ball first and ref was only 4-5 feet away looking straight at tackle .. also hardly any reaction by utd players calling for penalty... but have also seen penalties given for less :D:D

[rambler14]

O'Shea passing was disgraceful today. Watch how many times he gave the ball away in the first 10 minutes.... His long punt to nobody ended up giving Liverpool the ball for the 1st goal.

Van Der Sar and Evra were the only Man Utd players to come out of the game with any credit.


John O'Shea was let down big time by Valencia. He was constantly pulling out of tackles and generally positioning himself too close to O'Shea. In the 1st 10 mins anytime O'Shea went to pass Valencia was standing next to him. Valencia's effort level today was a disgrace, he didn't chase the ball or close down another player once.

I agree about Van Der Sar. I'm a big Evra fan but I thought it was his worst game this season....gave away too much ball and wandered around aimlessly for 90 mins.
If Dirk Kuyt was any bit good Liverpool would have won by 5 or 6 because the space Evra was giving him in the box was a joke.

[old git]

John O'Shea was let down big time by Valencia. He was constantly pulling out of tackles and generally positioning himself too close to O'Shea. In the 1st 10 mins anytime O'Shea went to pass Valencia was standing next to him. Valencia's effort level today was a disgrace, he didn't chase the ball or close down another player once.

I agree about Van Der Sar. I'm a big Evra fan but I thought it was his worst game this season....gave away too much ball and wandered around aimlessly for 90 mins.
If Dirk Kuyt was any bit good Liverpool would have won by 5 or 6 because the space Evra was giving him in the box was a joke.

agree with you on evra smashing player but when switches off in games he is terrible . he let lucas run past him in midfield in the build up for liverpool 2nd goal and made very little effort to chase back :o but overall utd were 2nd best all over the pitch

[CF1989]

liverpool kicked lumps out of united all day. carraghers tackle on carrick would have been a free kick outside the box. bottled by the referee. owen was going through on goal and pulled down by carragher, red card! rooney skint him a few minutes before it aswell, he hacked him down and only got a warning. should have had about 3 yellows and a straight red aswell. marsherano must have made 10 fouls. lucas similar.

better team won on the day though.

[Closed Account 2]

Looked like the key players for Man Utd were not match fit or a bit jaded. Rooney looked to have been rushed back and it was a game too far for Giggs and Scholes. These two can only play the occasional 90 mins and he needs to use them less often. Playing Giggs and Scholes too often tires them out and means they are ineffectual.

It looks like there isnt enough depth in the attacking end of the squad. Berbatov is not really a world class player and the same could be said for Owen. They need to get more players in who have the desire and stamina. The Chelsea away match on the 8th is massive now.

[Closed Account 2]

Also was that Glazer in the away end:
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3193/glazer.jpg

[KK77]

Very few beach balls from the manc end afterall. Rumours they had bought them up online from the Liverpool site. The few they had certainly weren't Liverpool ones. I suppose with the KOP throwing on ones with Yanks Out totally took the sting out of their ones.

[reder]

I think beach balls are the least of their worries. If I was a betting man, I would be putting a few euro on Barnsley in the Carling Cup against them.

[old git]

I think beach balls are the least of their worries. If I was a betting man, I would be putting a few euro on Barnsley in the Carling Cup against them.

hope you did not invest to many euro's on barnsley :D:D

[Acornvilla]

hope you did not invest to many euro's on barnsley :D:D
very impressed with the kids playing and did i hear right that fabi is married!? what age is he? mad man

[TheBoss]

very impressed with the kids playing and did i hear right that fabi is married!? what age is he? mad man

He is 18/19, he married his girlfriend in order for her to come over to England with him.

[CF1989]

bit of a mondae bandele story there

[shakermaker1982]

Obertan looked useful. I've seen a couple of clips from reserve games and he has some nice tricks.

Where was Gibson? Injured?

[Roo69]

where was gibson? Injured?

hopefully !

[DeLorean]

I think Ferguson's unwillingness to see Berbatov for what he is is costing United a bit. I would honestly prefer to see Rooney and Owen as the front two for a while. Two years ago Giggs was being used sparingly from the bench, now he's a key man. That's really not a good sign.

[CF1989]

great goal from Owen the other night, looked pretty sharp

[Angus]

Big problems for Man U lads. All of the decent sides are finding them out through the midfield

They have just equalised but it masks a really dodgy midfield. I am amazed that Scholes and Giggs are still about - just not up to it at this level.

Happy to make a prediction and to look like an idiot at seasons end - if they don't buy a proper midfielder in the window they will not get to the Champs final or finish in the top 2 in the EPL

[rambler14]

I reckon tonight was the end for Nani as a United player and will more than likely be sold in January. As Andy Gray said "Yet another disappointing performence from a player who promises so much but never seems to deliver."

I wouldn't be surprised to see United sign up the CSKA winger Krasic and the CSKA keeper Akinfeev who has amazing ability and is someone who has really impressed me in the handful of games that I have seen him in.

If United got that "penalty" for the blatant foul on Fletcher I reckon tonights game would have ended 5-3 to United.

[Razors left peg]

Big problems for Man U lads. All of the decent sides are finding them out through the midfield

They have just equalised but it masks a really dodgy midfield. I am amazed that Scholes and Giggs are still about - just not up to it at this level.

Happy to make a prediction and to look like an idiot at seasons end - if they don't buy a proper midfielder in the window they will not get to the Champs final or finish in the top 2 in the EPL

I think Ferguson is banking on Hargreaves to be that midfielder... its a big gamble

[Closed Account 2]

Interesting game tonight, CSKA's new coach seems to have them gunning on all barrells, it will be too late for them to make the CL next season via the league (that will be Rubin and Spartak, but Zenit have a slim chance of grabbing second) but at least he is playing players like Dzagoev in the right position unlike Zico and Ramos.

I was impressed by Man Utd's comeback given they went 2 goals behind early in the second half. I though Van Der Saar was pretty weak for the first and last CSKA goals, he was beaten at very slim angles and I just wonder if his judgement is maybe not what it was.


I wouldn't be surprised to see United sign up the CSKA winger Krasic and the CSKA keeper Akinfeev who has amazing ability and is someone who has really impressed me in the handful of games that I have seen him in.

You need to be careful about Akinfeev, he plays one great game then one shocker. Russia are really lacking in top class keepers, Malafeev (Zenit keeper) is pretty shocking too and he seems to be the number two for the national team. Gabulov, the Ossetian at Dynamo Moscow, is probably the best Russian keeper at the moment.

[DeLorean]

Wouldn't read anything into last nights match. Shades of the Aalborg fixture last season. I don't think United will struggle in those types of fixtures (when it matters) but I do think they'll come up short against the top sides. Hargreaves could make a big difference but he could also break down straight away. With Nani's poor showings I'm not sure why Tosic isn't getting more game time, even Obertan seems to have jumped above him in the pecking order. I really like the look of Macheda though, direct, great touch and huge confidence. Big match at the Bridge Sunday, if I'm honest I'd be happy out with a draw.

[Angus]

if they don't buy a proper midfielder in the window they will not get to the Champs final or finish in the top 2 in the EPL

Am I correct in thinking that a January signing is ineligible for the Chamops League ?

Man U season ticket holders tell me that Anderson was supposed to be the man, post Roy - but probably taking some time

It ain't right

[superfrank]

Dunno for sure what the story is with January signings.

AFAIK, it depends on whether they have been registered by another club for the CL. If so, they can't play. If they haven't, then they can. I'm even less informed on the circumstances if the players was registered for the Europa League.

[rambler14]

January signings can play as long as they havn't played in European competition. Champions League squads are allowed 3 changes when the knock-out phase starts.

[Closed Account 2]

Yep, if they have played in the CL pre-Jan for their old team then they can't play for the new side. Example is Arshavin last season (played for Zenit vs Juve, Real and BATE pre Christmas) couldnt play for Arsenal vs Villareal or Man Utd.

On the other hand Real Madrid could register Lassana Diara as he had only played UEFA Cup football for Portsmouth pre-Christmas. It's interesting to note that Huntelaar had also played only UEFA Cup football that season for Ajax before his January signing for Real - but they could only register one new CL player and picked Diarra.

So Man Utd could sign one new player for the CL who could either be a player who has not played European football this season (e.g. Palacios) or one who has only played UEFA Cup football (e.g. Cahill)...

[SuperDave]

Yep, if they have played in the CL pre-Jan for their old team then they can't play for the new side. Example is Arshavin last season (played for Zenit vs Juve, Real and BATE pre Christmas) couldnt play for Arsenal vs Villareal or Man Utd.

On the other hand Real Madrid could register Lassana Diara as he had only played UEFA Cup football for Portsmouth pre-Christmas. It's interesting to note that Huntelaar had also played only UEFA Cup football that season for Ajax before his January signing for Real - but they could only register one new CL player and picked Diarra.

So Man Utd could sign one new player for the CL who could either be a player who has not played European football this season (e.g. Palacios) or one who has only played UEFA Cup football (e.g. Cahill)...

you can register up to three changes but only one who has played in another Uefa competition and none who have played in the CL for another club.

[KK77]

Manchester United goalkeeper Tomasz Kuszczak claims No.1 Edwin van der Sar is of little help to him.

The Pole, in his fourth season at Old Trafford, says that he often asks the 39-year-old Dutchman for advice and help.

But, he feels that van der Sar does not pass on advice as he would like.

"To be honest, I must say this and Edwin doesn't like this too much for sure, but he doesn't help me too much," "I have told him a few times already to give me some more advice because he's got more experience and got many more games under his belt.

"I say, 'You have to give me something more because I like to know what I do wrong and like to watch other people. Doing that I can take some good from the advice I get.'

"But I don't know, maybe Edwin doesn't like me. You'll have to ask him."

The 27-year-old admits that he finds it hard not playing regular first-team football.

"I've already waited three-and-a-half years," he said.

"I will wait longer but my ambition is so big and I want to have a nice feeling after games, be tired and go home and think, 'Oh, you did a good job'."

[DeLorean]

It was only a matter of time before his frustration manifested itself I suppose. He's very much No.3 now despite all the mistakes Foster has made.

[KK77]

you can register up to three changes but only one who has played in another Uefa competition and none who have played in the CL for another club.

Correct.

[KK77]

It was only a matter of time before his frustration manifested itself I suppose. He's very much No.3 now despite all the mistakes Foster has made.

Always seemed a better keeper than Foster imo. Saw him a few times at West Brom and thought he was excellent (shot stopping anyway).

[DeLorean]

Always seemed a better keeper than Foster imo. Saw him a few times at West Brom and thought he was excellent (shot stopping anyway).

I think Foster has more ability to be honest, but is also more prone to errors.

[old git]

Manchester United goalkeeper Tomasz Kuszczak claims No.1 Edwin van der Sar is of little help to him.

The Pole, in his fourth season at Old Trafford, says that he often asks the 39-year-old Dutchman for advice and help.

But, he feels that van der Sar does not pass on advice as he would like.

"To be honest, I must say this and Edwin doesn't like this too much for sure, but he doesn't help me too much," "I have told him a few times already to give me some more advice because he's got more experience and got many more games under his belt.

"I say, 'You have to give me something more because I like to know what I do wrong and like to watch other people. Doing that I can take some good from the advice I get.'

"But I don't know, maybe Edwin doesn't like me. You'll have to ask him."

The 27-year-old admits that he finds it hard not playing regular first-team football.

"I've already waited three-and-a-half years," he said.

"I will wait longer but my ambition is so big and I want to have a nice feeling after games, be tired and go home and think, 'Oh, you did a good job'."

nice one rafa b try and focus some attenion away from liverpool :D
would not expect anybody to be happy being 2-3 choice player for any team .. suppose it could have been worse they could be fighting in training :ball:

[KK77]

[QUOTE=old git;1266029]nice one rafa b try and focus some attenion away from liverpool :D

No just thought it was an interesting read.