Roy Keane interview in the Times

[Guts&Glory]

not every business manager lives near said buisness

He does if he wants to run the club properly, Quinn isn't just a powerless figurehead he is the manager on the bsuiness side of things.

As in any business it is better conducted - and more can be achieved - with able to meet staff face to face, clients, potential sponsors, marketing, press etc.

That cannot be done in a office at home in Dublin.

[tetsujin1979]

He does if he wants to run the club properly, Quinn isn't just a powerless figurehead he is the manager on the bsuiness side of things.You might want to check your facts on that...
While far from powerless, Quinn is not the business manager of the club

[Guts&Glory]

What a pile of rubbish Gut & Glory!!

Short was on his case cause of bad results. He never turned up for training. His tactics were terrible and predictable. His coaching methods were shocking. And the way he treated players was disgraceful. He wasted ,what looked at the time, 40m of Shorts money. We were second bottom after losing to the mighty Bolton Wanderers at home 4-1. He called players weak for not moving up to Sunderland when he wouldn't do it himself. As a manager he should have moved up to the North East. And he didn't want people to question his abilty when we were heading back to the Championship. And with the same team Ricky Sbragia has taken to mid-table and look a hell of lot better. What Keane did at the club was good but Denis Smith and Peter Reid did a lot better under different circumstance and a lot less money. So this nonsense that Keane did a brilliant job at Sunderland is just ridculous! He failed where so many have before him. The easy part is getting out of the Championship the hard part was turning us into a Premiership force. What he said about Clive Clarke was just sick!!

P.S What is this doing in the Ireland forum anyway?




What a pile of rubbish Gut & Glory!!

Good to know that you have totally disregarded anything I said SunderlandBohs.

Short was on his case cause of bad results. SO, THE AGREED CHANNEL FOR COMMENST QUERIES WAS THROUGH QUINN WHICH QUINN HAS ADMITTED TO.

SHORT HAD NO MORE RIGHT THAN DRUMAVILLE TO CONTACT KEANE. HE IS AFTER ALL A SHAREHOLDER. NOT CHAIRMAN , CEO OR THE LIKE. BY YOUR LOGIC ANY SHAREHOLDER OF A COMPANY CAN PHONE THE MANAGER OF THAT COMPANY THEY HAVE SHARES IN - NONSENSE.

He never turned up for training. INCORRECT.

His tactics were terrible and predictable. HIS TACTICS GOT THEM PROMOTED AND KEPT THEM IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE FIRST SEASON UP. ADMITTDELY HE HAD A BAD RUN PRIOR TO LEAVING. SHOW ME A MANGER OVER A CAREER THAT HASNT GONE THROUGH THE SAME.

His coaching methods were shocking. BY HIS OWN ADMISSION. HE DIDNT COACH THE TEAM THAT WAS TONY COUGHLAN, SBRAGIA ET AL. KEANE WAS TEAM MANAGER.
OH BTW ALSO HOW COULD HE COACH A TEAM IF AS YOU CLAIM HE NEVER ATTENDED TRAINING ?

And the way he treated players was disgraceful. SUCH AS ?? FINING PLAYERS FOR BEING LATE? LAMBASTING THEM FOR POOR PERFORMANCES ? SO YOU HAVE NO ISSUE WITH PLAYERS BEING LATE FOR THE TEAM BUS OR MATCHES, COPS LOOKING FOR THEM AT THE TRAINING GROUND, BEING INVOLVED IN SORDID 'HOME' VIDEOS ?

He wasted ,what looked at the time, 40m of Shorts money.
THE SAME PLAYERS ARE NOW 11TH IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE. WASTED??? YOUR POINT BELOW CONFIRMS THIS WHICH IS REALLY CONTRADICTING YOURSELF.

We were second bottom after losing to the mighty Bolton Wanderers at home 4-1. A TERRIBLE PERFORMANCE THAT NOBODY DEFENDED HIM ON AND ONE WHICH HE WAS ADMITTIDLY IN SHOCK OVER.

He called players weak for not moving up to Sunderland when he wouldn't do it himself. AGREE AS SHOULD QUINN.

As a manager he should have moved up to the North East. And he didn't want people to question his abilty when we were heading back to the Championship. SO YOUR ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE GIVE THE MANAGER 15 GAMES THIS SEASON AND FIRE YOUR MANAGER IF IT AINT HAPPENING. SO MUCH FOR GIVING MANAGERS A CHANCE I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT HE DESERVED THAT MUCH FROM YE.

And with the same team Ricky Sbragia has taken to mid-table and look a hell of lot better. SO TE MONEY WASNT WASTED....GLAD TO CLEAR THAT POINT OF YOURS UP.

What Keane did at the club was good but Denis Smith and Peter Reid did a lot better under different circumstance and a lot less money. AGREE, PETER REID WAS BEST THING FOR SUNDERLAND IN YEARS, LIKE BOBBY ROBSON WAS AT NEWCASTLE BUT USUAL POLITICS AND BOARD SHIFTING GETTING THEIR SPOKE IN TO THE DETRAMANT OF THE CLUB. HIGH LEAGUE FINISHES UNDER REID NEWCASTLE IN EUROPE UNDER ROBSON, WHAT THEY WOULD GIVE FOR THAT NOW.

So this nonsense that Keane did a brilliant job at Sunderland is just ridculous! He failed where so many have before him. I NEVER CLAIMED THAT.

The easy part is getting out of the Championship the hard part was turning us into a Premiership force. PREMIERSHIP FORCE?!, MIGHT HAVE TO WAIT A WHILE FOR THAT. STILL IN A FAR BETTER POSITION NOW THAN WHEN HE JOINED.

What he said about Clive Clarke was just sick!! AGREED NEVER DEFENDED HIM ON THE CLARKE COMMENT.

P.S What is this doing in the Ireland forum anyway? IF THAT ANNOYS (AND OBVIOUSLY THE MODERATORS HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THIS) DONT RESPOND TO THE THREAD.

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[Guts&Glory]

You might want to check your facts on that...
While far from powerless, Quinn is not the business manager of the club

My explanation was in response to a previous post and to emphasis his Chairman role at the club but how and ever.

So it wasn't Quinn that got Drumaville, Boylesports or Short on board?? News to him I would think.

[seanfhear]

On the contrary - I don't have much time for Keane, the person.

If you can fail to see the idiocy of anonamously addressing anyone directly on a Football Forum and calling him, or anyone for that matter, a gobsh*te - its neither an act of strength or very clever.

I'll make an exception in your case though - YOU'RE a prize GOBSH*TE!!!
Thanks for going to the trouble because as I said every one needs to be told how it is every now and again including Roy "I am too good to make the mistakes that other people make"

You are not Triggs are you, posing under Wolfie ye old Fox ye!!

[Razors left peg]

Rubbish. There's one ex Ireland legend who's finished 4th, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and mid table in 6 Premier League seasons as a manager and people nearly had a heart attack when he was touted for the Ireland job before Trap got it. Mainly because he has a reputation as a cheque book manager who rubs people the wrong way after a period of time. What's the difference between him and RK other then the fact he managed to get top 6 and above consistently when he was spending and over achieved when he had a limited budget?

Your second point is also garbage, the vast majority of people from Cork and Man U fans were delighted to see him back, there was plenty of others who buttoned it as they wouldn't boo an Irish player at an international. In my experience there's a lot of antipathy towards him from LOI fans for example, he was roundly booed at Dalymount when Sunderland played Bohs a couple of years back.

That ex Ireland legend left Leeds nearly bankrupt and then went on to leave Aston Villa in a worse state than when he joined them.

It was far from just United fans and Cork people that wanted him back.If I was to put a percentage on the people I know that were happy to see him back it was at about 80%, and that was people in Galway and Dublin.And Im a League of Ireland fan by the way and was delighted to see him back so u cant just categorise people like that.

At the end of the day we are obviously not going to agree on the point,so all I can say is that any of the games in Landsdowne I was at after he return, the majority of the people around me at all the games gave him a good reception and there were plenty of choruses of KEANO KEANO going around for him during the games. And I wasnt in the same spot for all of these games either so it wasnt just a case of one section of the crowd were cheering him all the time

[Drumcondra 69er]

That ex Ireland legend left Leeds nearly bankrupt and then went on to leave Aston Villa in a worse state than when he joined them.

It was far from just United fans and Cork people that wanted him back.If I was to put a percentage on the people I know that were happy to see him back it was at about 80%, and that was people in Galway and Dublin.And Im a League of Ireland fan by the way and was delighted to see him back so u cant just categorise people like that.

At the end of the day we are obviously not going to agree on the point,so all I can say is that any of the games in Landsdowne I was at after he return, the majority of the people around me at all the games gave him a good reception and there were plenty of choruses of KEANO KEANO going around for him during the games. And I wasnt in the same spot for all of these games either so it wasnt just a case of one section of the crowd were cheering him all the time

Fair enough, your recollection is different from mine and maybe 80% of your mates were happy to see him back but the majority of mine and the majority I'd have met and spoken to about it on away trips weren't. We weren't going to boo a man in Green though unlike those who were happy to boo McCarthy and who hollered loudest when RK came back (having initially turned his nose up at a comeback when Kerr took over despite his comment in the press that he'd come back if the manager changed). But is was all a PR battle at that stage. As it was he was over the hill when he finally came back and added very little despite a couple of half decent performances.

As for O'Leary, no offence mate but that's more tripe, he left Leeds in 5th in the Premier league and with a squad that should have been more then capable of challenging, since when was it down to the manager to run the finances of a club? Had they made a proper appointmenmt afterwards instead of hiring Hell Tel they may well have ridden the storm, the reason their creditors came after them was down to the fact that they were fighting a relegation battle rather then challenging for the title, had they been top of the league as they had been the season before with essentially the same squad (bar Woodgate in for Ferdinand and Barmby for Keane) then they'd have been fine. Keane's net spend was more then O'Learys in a shorther space of time.

As for where he left Villa, they'd finished 16th when he took over and he finsihed 6th the next season, 4 points of a champions league place. Martin O'Neill will be lauded if he gets to within 4 points of the CL this year. The next season was 10th and then 16th again so he left them exactly where he found them and had 2 decent seasons in between. By all means get involved in a debate but try to stick to facts rather then the tabloid style spin you'll hear about a situation.

[Wolfie]

You are not Triggs are you, posing under Wolfie ye old Fox ye!!

Yes - I can now reveal that I am in fact "Triggs" the dog.

When I'm not appearing on SKY 1's "Worlds most articulate Pets" or walking the environs of Chesire - I post on Foot.ie.

[John83]

Yes - I can now reveal that I am in fact "Triggs" the dog.

When I'm not appearing on SKY 1's "Worlds most articulate Pets" or walking the environs of Chesire - I post on Foot.ie.
http://www.unc.edu/courses/jomc050/idog.jpg

[Superhoops]

Fair enough, your recollection is different from mine and maybe 80% of your mates were happy to see him back but the majority of mine and the majority I'd have met and spoken to about it on away trips weren't. We weren't going to boo a man in Green though unlike those who were happy to boo McCarthy and who hollered loudest when RK came back (having initially turned his nose up at a comeback when Kerr took over despite his comment in the press that he'd come back if the manager changed). But is was all a PR battle at that stage. As it was he was over the hill when he finally came back and added very little despite a couple of half decent performances.....
Great post. Sums up perfectly how many people felt.

[geysir]

Yes - I can now reveal that I am in fact "Triggs" the dog.

When I'm not appearing on SKY 1's "Worlds most articulate Pets" or walking the environs of Chesire - I post on Foot.ie.
Triggs 2 surely?
Isn't Triggs the First dearly departed? litterly walked to his death

Roy's excuse for not moving to Sunderland looks a bit thin. Can it be any more of a kip than all the other kips anywhere north of Devon? I can imagine it was Teresa, she probably gave him an expletive filled tirade full blast into his ears and cut him to shreds when he sheepishly tested the waters, over the Sunday breakfast, about moving to Sunderland.

[Razors left peg]

People werent going to boo a man in green???
Irish fans had no problem booing Keane against Iceland when he played after not going on the US tour, Irish fans had no problem booing Mick McCarthy when we were losing to Switzerland, Steve Staunton got booed.... even as recently as the Georgia game the Irish team were booed off at half time. So dont give me that about the great Irish fans didnt want to boo a man in green, especially after the strength of feelings people had about the Saipan issue.Some people did boo him but were completely out numbered buy people that were happy to see him back in an Irish shirt

[smasher]

People werent going to boo a man in green???
Irish fans had no problem booing Keane against Iceland when he played after not going on the US tour, Irish fans had no problem booing Mick McCarthy when we were losing to Switzerland, Steve Staunton got booed.... even as recently as the Georgia game the Irish team were booed off at half time. So dont give me that about the great Irish fans didnt want to boo a man in green, especially after the strength of feelings people had about the Saipan issue.Some people did boo him but were completely out numbered buy people that were happy to see him back in an Irish shirt

Really?
I wonder just how many Irish fans wanted him back? When he walked away from Saipan that should have been the end of it.

[Drumcondra 69er]

People werent going to boo a man in green???
Irish fans had no problem booing Keane against Iceland when he played after not going on the US tour, Irish fans had no problem booing Mick McCarthy when we were losing to Switzerland, Steve Staunton got booed.... even as recently as the Georgia game the Irish team were booed off at half time. So dont give me that about the great Irish fans didnt want to boo a man in green, especially after the strength of feelings people had about the Saipan issue.Some people did boo him but were completely out numbered buy people that were happy to see him back in an Irish shirt

You're totally missing the point, I'm saying that there was a lot of people out there who had issues with his behaviour but who wouldn't boo him. You're using the excuse that just because there was only a small amount of people booing that that means the vast majority of fans were delighted to see him back which is frankly boll0x.

[tetsujin1979]

My recollection of the Romania game was that when the announcer mentioned his name over the tannoy during the warm up, there was a lot of "hmmm,is anyone else booing, well then boo, and hiss" from the crowd that had gone into the stadium at that stage.
When the teams came out, Keane was the last Irish player out on the pitch, and was applauded by the vast majority.
He may have won MOTM (can't remember) but he did stand in the centre circle at full time and applauded the crowd, and they responded in kind. There may well have been boos again at that time, but they were definitely drowned out by the majority in attendance.

[jbyrne]

Thursday and Friday were the only days he'd show up. Left it to Tony Loughlin the rest of the week.

lots of premier lge managers are only on the training pitch once or twice a week

[Razors left peg]

You're totally missing the point, I'm saying that there was a lot of people out there who had issues with his behaviour but who wouldn't boo him. You're using the excuse that just because there was only a small amount of people booing that that means the vast majority of fans were delighted to see him back which is frankly boll0x.
I think we are gonna have to agree to disagree, I had enough of the Roy Keane arguements back in 2002 and dont wanna get into it all again:)

[Drumcondra 69er]

I think we are gonna have to agree to disagree, I had enough of the Roy Keane arguements back in 2002 and dont wanna get into it all again:)

Fair enough, worst thing about the whole Saipan thing was seeing fellow Irish fans arguing with each other on away trips, it left a bad taste for years and it's not something I want to see again. Peace!

[Deckydee]

http://www.herald.ie/sport/soccer/keane-is-linked--to-qpr-hotseat-1714669.html

THERE'S a certain synchronicity in the fact that Roy Keane's name is back on the mat at exactly the time Mick McCarthy lifts Wolves up by the bootstraps to a promotion that nobody would have predicted nine months ago.

Keane and McCarthy seem fated to pass like lifts in a tall building -- as one heads for the sky, the other drops to a more modest level.
McCarthy is still cantankerous and hungry enough to want to prove everyone wrong after all he's been through and he has done a mighty job with Wolves.

Last summer, there were strong indications that McCarthy would be looking for a new club and that Wolves would cycle through a few more managers before they would find a way back to the Premier League.
Once again it seemed McCarthy's club ambitions would be stymied by life on the margins where loaves and fishes make up the transfer budget.


Lash

He's won himself another shot at the big time through clever work in the transfer market and his ability to motivate a squad. While he's in the Premier League mixing with the toffs, it looks like Keane is ready for another lash but once again, with a golden spoon attached.

The word around Cork and London for the last few days is that Keane is now odds on to sign up for a job that will make Sunderland look like a picnic, even if Loftus Road is nearer the range of fleshpots and high class shopping so beloved of the modern day professional footballer.

Up until a couple of years ago, QPR was a small time club graced by the occasional star turn and its history is written around names rather than trophies. Rodney Marsh, Stan Bowles and Gerry Francis all made plenty of headlines but not by winning anything in blue and white hoops.

But when Flavio Briatore and Bernie Ecclestone took over, 10,000 or so hard core fans began to believe that something wonderful might be in the air.

That belief was strengthened when Lakshmi Mittal, steel magnate and billionaire -- Britain's richest man or at least he was until the banks came tumbling down -- spent £200k of his £28 billion to buy into QPR, apparently for his son-in-law (a fan).

The next member of the billionaire club to sign up was Vijay Mallya, co-owner of the Force India F1 team and one of the wealthiest men on the planet.

Mallya's Kingfisher brand has been a big backer of Indian sport and he sponsors two football clubs, East Bengal and Mohun Bagan and owns the Royal Challengers Bangalore cricket team in the Indian Premier League. Horse racing is another passion.
For any manager weighing up the advantages and disadvantages of a particular job, the presence of three billionaires and the owner of Benetton in the house offer possibilities that are both heady and dangerous.

Aura

These are all men who expect lesser mortals to listen when they speak and haven't become impossibly wealthy by trusting their money to strangers without strict oversight.
Keane was lucky that his first job involved a bunch of Irishmen, rich
Irishmen who were all fans of his and ready to buy into his aura.

For him, the right environment neither existed or could exist at the Stadium of Light so he quit but that doesn't mean he has lost his belief that he can go a long way as a manager without a 10 year CV hard won in the lower divisions, fighting for the knowledge that makes managers great, if he can find men to fund his ambition.
Niall Quinn and Drumaville made certain that he never wanted for cash and he wasted a great deal of it. When Ellis Short asked a few questions, Keane made a ruthless decision and legged it.
The difficulty with this approach is the fact that a rich man's plans will often conflict with the normal rhythms of football -- especially if he fancies a hands on role.

There are many rich men hovering around Loftus Road and all of them have plans. Briatore himself is hands on type of guy and likes to do training.
The first 18 months of the new ownership don't make good reading for a martinet like Keane.
Since the takeover, QPR have been ripping through managers at a great rate. John Gregory, Mick Harford, Luigi De Canio, Ian Dowie and Paulo Sousa have come and gone since October 2007 and the current incumbent, Gareth Ainsworth, is having his second stint as a caretaker.
In the last few days, Briatore responded angrily to suggestions that he interfered in Sousa's team selections but admitted that the QPR board was disappointed with some aspects of his work.


Formation

"When we beat Preston North End before Christmas, Paulo made six changes for the next match and we only drew at Charlton, who were bottom of the league. And against Ipswich, he stuck to a 4-5-1 formation when we were at home.
"But I would like to repeat, I never once told Paulo, or any other coach for that matter, which team to pick."

There's a yarn doing the rounds among hacks in London telling how Ainsworth left his mobile phone in the dressingroom in recent weeks and when he returned at half-time, found 62 missed calls.
These tales tend to gather detail and volume as they travel around the press boxes but even if there was one missed call, it wouldn't augur well for an easy relationship with the next man, especially at a club which changes managers as often as a race car needs tires.
That's why it's hard to figure why Keane would be interested -- if indeed he is. Some in London believe that an agreement is already in place with a new manager who will be named in June but can't decide whether it's Dennis Wise or the Corkman.

It looks like a job that could rapidly descend into conflict even if it does carry the promise of a bankroll to invest in serious talent and while Keane is big enough and man enough to fight his corner, the last thing he needs on his next step in management is a short and acrimonious spell working under powerful men with egos as big as his own

[OwlsFan]

Wait for it. Moths to a flame or light:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/67/160889281_4849403766.jpg

[SkStu]

can anyone else see Keano ending up in Ipswich now that Magilton is gone?

[carloz]

can anyone else see Keano ending up in Ipswich now that Magilton is gone?

Would have though QPR would be a better shout. More money and hence more possibilities. But he seems set on living near Manchester as he proved when at Sunderland so travelling to london and particularly Ipswich might be a no no.

[Yard of Pace]

Would have though QPR would be a better shout. More money and hence more possibilities. But he seems set on living near Manchester as he proved when at Sunderland so travelling to london and particularly Ipswich might be a no no.

He surely can't afford to limit himself to jobs that are close enough to Manchester forever though, can he? Ipswich would be an interesting job for any manager. Seems like a decent set of players there and a board who feel they should be in the play-offs at the least. He won't get much better than that at Championship level.

[JC_GUFC]

can anyone else see Keano ending up in Ipswich now that Magilton is gone?

Are you in the know?!?!

[SunnySweeney]

Would have though QPR would be a better shout. More money and hence more possibilities. But he seems set on living near Manchester as he proved when at Sunderland so travelling to london and particularly Ipswich might be a no no.

According to Google maps, travelling by car ....

from Cheshire to Sunderland takes 3 hours and 20 minutes.

from Cheshire to Ipswich takes 3 hours and 52 minutes.

(and yes, I have no idea what my point is !!):D

[SkStu]

Are you in the know?!?!

how good was that shout? No im not in the know, i just thought it would be the perfect job for Keane and that he would jump at the chance.

[OwlsFan]

can anyone else see Keano ending up in Ipswich now that Magilton is gone?


Good shout ok :ball:

[carloz]

Would have though QPR would be a better shout. More money and hence more possibilities. But he seems set on living near Manchester as he proved when at Sunderland so travelling to london and particularly Ipswich might be a no no.

Shows what i know:mad:

[Greenbod]

can anyone else see Keano ending up in Ipswich now that Magilton is gone?

Yes...I can.