View Full Version : "Them Derry Wans" not paying their Dues?
EalingGreen
19/02/2009, 5:50 PM
FFS It's only a matter of weeks since McGinn went to Celtic.
Having agreed the transfer in principle in mid-December, the Contract took effect on 01 January 2009 i.e. seven weeks ago.
Now there may be good reason why the money hasn't yet actually been been paid (though according to Swifts, such business can be transacted in two days between IL clubs).
The problem is, however, that not only are DCFC not paying, but they've not even saying, either! That is, they've not even replied to numerous letters or returned calls where Swifts have enquired what's going on (hence the Writ of Disclosure which Swifts have felt compelled to issue).
You would think (like a DS fan on IL forums) that it's been a year.
Irrelevant - no-one on here has claimed that.
We havn't even arranged a friendly date for the transfer, so why are Swifts being so impatient? Tut tut.
The proposed friendly will surely only account for a proportion of the transfer fee. Therefore DCFC will be due at least some cash from Celtic, 20% of which is due to be passed on to Swifts.
We must assume Celtic have paid up at least some of the cash element, since DCFC haven't cited that as a reason for their inability to pay Swifts.
Therefore, the question is not "Why are Swifts being so impatient?", rather it should be: "Why won't DCFC at least pick up the phone and talk to someone at Swifts?"
After all, it's hardly in Swifts' interest to go to the trouble and expense of legal action if at all avoidable.
Why?
Asking for money you are owed is hardly taking the moral high ground.
What is club going to say? " Ah,well actually they are right"
Last year's accounts show that we are hardly rolling in it. The chairman has gone on the record to say that we are cutting costs.
I doubt he went to talk to your groundsman about the money you owed us.
We're here because someone has stated you've avoided communication regarding money you owe. Either the nice man from Dungannon Swifts is lying or there's a pattern of evidence that you lot have money troubles. Given you're in the LoI, I'd be more surprised if you don't.
I wasnt referring to this in particular, I was referring to our overall financial situation and alot telling us we're in the ****. Maribor the last accounts you saw were before the McCourt, Sammon and McGinn deals were included, and also the Celtic friendly.
Our chairman didnt come out and and say we would be making cuts, only to pay money for Ger O'Brien if we didnt have it. We have reduced the squad considerably, and have only signed 2. We made money on the above players and friendly, and also the Dream Draw.
I'm as ****ed off as the next man that we havnt settled our debts, but because this has come to light dosnt automatically have us up **** creek.
Our chairman didnt come out and and say we would be making cuts, only to pay money for Ger O'Brien.
:confused: But this is exactly what happened.....
:confused: But this is exactly what happened.....
Sorry didnt finish sentence. See edit.
Bald Student
19/02/2009, 7:20 PM
I wasnt referring to this in particular, I was referring to our overall financial situation and alot telling us we're in the ****. Maribor the last accounts you saw were before the McCourt, Sammon and McGinn deals were included, and also the Celtic friendly.
Our chairman didnt come out and and say we would be making cuts, only to pay money for Ger O'Brien if we didnt have it. We have reduced the squad considerably, and have only signed 2. We made money on the above players and friendly, and also the Dream Draw.
I'm as ****ed off as the next man that we havnt settled our debts, but because this has come to light dosnt automatically have us up **** creek.
Pay your bills and people will stop complaining about you not paying your bills.
SwanVsDalton
19/02/2009, 7:24 PM
Looks like it's open season...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/irish/7900285.stm
This issue was raised before wasn't it? Thought it was settled.
Bald Student
19/02/2009, 7:27 PM
Looks like it's open season...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/irish/7900285.stm
This issue was raised before wasn't it? Thought it was settled.
Pay your bills and people will stop complaining about you not paying your bills.
Pay your bills and people will stop complaining about you not paying your bills.
I take it you know the facts on the Tommy Stewart case Baldy?
SwanVsDalton
19/02/2009, 7:33 PM
Alright keep your pants on BaldStudent, I read it the first time.
I agree, I'm cheesed off with my club and fairly worried with what is said to be done and the reality. Having said that, I'm fairly sure this issue over Stewart has come up before and City are reasonably confident in their position that he's a free agent, although I could be wrong. And if I'm not, then it smacks of an olympic sized bandwagon jump by Linfield.
Bald Student
19/02/2009, 7:36 PM
I take it you know the facts on the Tommy Stewart case Baldy?
No but I have read the story of the boy who cried wolf.
SwanVsDalton
19/02/2009, 7:38 PM
Did the wolf arrange a cash plus friendly deal? What was the percentage of add-on?
Bald Student
19/02/2009, 7:42 PM
Did the wolf arrange a cash plus friendly deal? What was the percentage of add-on?
There's a simple solution to this problem; pay your bills and you won't have to put up with anyone complaining about you not paying your bills.
Pay your bills and people will stop complaining about you not paying your bills.
Not on this forum. More whingers here than in the Dail.
I see Jeffrey is still clutching at straws.
Ealing Green, have you not more to worry about, now that the IFA are at last making some kind of effort to push your supporters into acting responsible when out in public.
Candystripe
19/02/2009, 8:04 PM
So now Linfield are claiming we owe them money when only a few weeks ago they stumped up money to pay us for Mc Hugh.
It's not Derry's fault they made a total c0ckup of Stewarts contract that a junior club wouldn't do.
Sounds like they're on the bandwagon. Tut tut.
What does **** me off a little about the preaching on this messageboard is that "the truth, i say it as it is" comes from Pineapple Stu, a UCD fan who has never tasted success in his life. Instead of supporting a real club with aspirations of winning a trophy he obsesses on a messageboard over the finances of everyone else. Its pretty pathetic and i certainly wouldnt be overtly proud to have such "knowledge" of everyone elses finances. No offence Stu, i actually enjoy some of your posts but its repetitiveness and preaching tone has gotten quite tiresome at this stage.
Just for you Stu, taken from another thread, but you get the point.
SwanVsDalton
19/02/2009, 8:40 PM
There's a simple solution to this problem; pay your bills and you won't have to put up with anyone complaining about you not paying your bills.
Wait..we owe the wolf now?
You don't make this 'banter' thing easy do you?
By the way, some of the comments on here are a bit reminiscent of Higgins circa the Shels implosion. If these reported financial problems are simply misinformation how come the City board has failed to come up with a satisfactory response to Swifts? Or, more importantly, to the concern of fans?
Lads these are simple questions being asked of the club and we're coming up embarrassingly short.
John83
19/02/2009, 9:07 PM
Just for you Stu, taken from another thread, but you get the point.
Your point being that we should all be Man Utd fans.
UCD fans will probably stop being whiney ****s about other club's finances when we're no longer competing for players with clubs who... ah, heck, you know what our problem is.
Graemerz
19/02/2009, 10:31 PM
Dj is adament we offered at least 3 deals to Thomas Stewart, weather or not we did it "officially" we'll soon find out.
Candystripe
19/02/2009, 10:33 PM
Dj is adament we offered at least 3 deals to Thomas Stewart, weather or not we did it "officially" we'll soon find out.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/local/fifa-set-to-rule-on-stewart-pay-row-13896951.html
The important bit is below where Linfield admit they did not follow the correct procedure in trying to retain Thomas.
Derry City officials have told Linfield they are entitled to nothing because the club failed to offer Stewart a contract, in writing via registered post, 60 days before the conclusion of his recently expired two-year deal.
While Linfield accept that to be the case, the club's manager, David Jeffrey, and the player, are understood to have held contract talks midway through last season with a view to re-visit the matter at the end of the campaign.
Linfield secretary Ken Greer said: "There was a verbal offer of contract made to the player and it was agreed to discuss things at the end of the season. Up until Thomas moved to Derry City there was a new contract on the table for him to consider.
"Regardless of this, FIFA indicates that the former club, in this case being Linfield, is entitled to justify a request for training compensation.
Case closed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Graemerz
19/02/2009, 10:48 PM
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/local/fifa-set-to-rule-on-stewart-pay-row-13896951.html
The important bit is below where Linfield admit they did not follow the correct procedure in trying to retain Thomas.
Derry City officials have told Linfield they are entitled to nothing because the club failed to offer Stewart a contract, in writing via registered post, 60 days before the conclusion of his recently expired two-year deal.
While Linfield accept that to be the case, the club's manager, David Jeffrey, and the player, are understood to have held contract talks midway through last season with a view to re-visit the matter at the end of the campaign.
Linfield secretary Ken Greer said: "There was a verbal offer of contract made to the player and it was agreed to discuss things at the end of the season. Up until Thomas moved to Derry City there was a new contract on the table for him to consider.
"Regardless of this, FIFA indicates that the former club, in this case being Linfield, is entitled to justify a request for training compensation.
Case closed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Regardless of this, FIFA indicates that the former club, in this case being Linfield, is entitled to justify a request for training compensation.
case clearly not closed.
MariborKev
19/02/2009, 11:04 PM
Maribor the last accounts you saw were before the McCourt, Sammon and McGinn deals were included, and also the Celtic friendly.
Aye, also before we paid wages for the whole of the off season, the trip to Spain etc etc etc. You don't need to see accounts to work out the approximate cashflow of a club.
You'll be aware of what happened last February when I question finances on a club message board so I am staying well out of it.
As for the Tommy Stewart one,I would be supremely confident we will emerge "victorious" on that issues, them "tubes" can go back to whinging about whatever is next on the agenda.....
Candystripe
19/02/2009, 11:15 PM
"Regardless of this, FIFA indicates that the former club, in this case being Linfield, is entitled to justify a request for training compensation.
case clearly not closed.
Read the FIFA rules.
Stewart was only under contract with Linfield for 22 months which falls short of the period which compo has to be paid.
Case closed.
Graemerz
19/02/2009, 11:35 PM
Aye, also before we paid wages for the whole of the off season, the trip to Spain etc etc etc. You don't need to see accounts to work out the approximate cashflow of a club.
You'll be aware of what happened last February when I question finances on a club message board so I am staying well out of it.
As for the Tommy Stewart one,I would be supremely confident we will emerge "victorious" on that issues, them "tubes" can go back to whinging about whatever is next on the agenda.....
Our agenda is never Derry City. Can Derry City state their agenda is never Linfield? You seem as obsessed with us as much as every team in the Irish League are, ffs. :rolleyes:
Self Pity FC.
MariborKev
20/02/2009, 12:32 AM
Cracker wan.
Can Derry City state their agenda is never Linfield? Aye, I think we can.
I think Linfield, and their fans, have an exceedingly high opinion of themselves.
It is your club chasing mine for money, and I merely made a comment on the situation. If that ranks with obsession, no wonder people think Bluemen are paranoid.......
pineapple stu
20/02/2009, 7:50 AM
Just for you Stu, taken from another thread, but you get the point.
Taken from the same thread, by me -
Always amuses me how fans of clubs almost always shirk away from any negative talk about their club, even when it's so blatantly obvious how much trouble they're in.
Goes for every Derry fan bar Maribor, whom you should really all be paying more attention to.
OneRedArmy
20/02/2009, 10:01 AM
Taken from the same thread, by meBy the same token, if someone makes a habit of complaining and doomsaying about everything, people stop listening. Call it the David McWilliams effect.
On DCchat a lot of posters have expressed serious disquiet about the allegations, particularly in light of previous behaviour. But given the facts are anything but clear at the minute, people are waiting to hear the full story before they call for crucifixtion.
pineapple stu
20/02/2009, 10:10 AM
By the same token, if someone makes a habit of complaining and doomsaying about everything, people stop listening. Call it the David McWilliams effect.
As is your choice. Doesn't change any of the facts as I've posted. Doesn't bother me if people put their fingers in their ears and their heads in the sand every time something bad is said about their club. I find it amusing, bordering on curious, is all
Dodge
20/02/2009, 10:15 AM
So waht have we learnt from this thread.
1) Derry as a club are *****. Have been in the past (Dykes et al) and will be in the future no doubt. Treat pretty much every other club with disdain.
2) Linfield fans see themselves as defenders of the IL
3) Linfield themselves are run like a junior club
4) None of Linfield, derry, Dungannon or UCD have a pot to **** in
5) UCD fans complain a lot about finances
6) Derry fans complain a lot
Did I miss anything?
pineapple stu
20/02/2009, 10:34 AM
Everyone thinks their club is the best run in the world, and that their club couldn't possibly be wrong.
Other than that, you've summed it up well.
Graemerz
20/02/2009, 11:29 AM
Everyone thinks their club is the best run in the world, and that their club couldn't possibly be wrong.
Other than that, you've summed it up well.
My club is wrong more often than right and its ran poorly. I am not disillusional like Self Pity FC supporters.
OneRedArmy
20/02/2009, 1:54 PM
My club is wrong more often than right and its ran poorly. I am not disillusional like Self Pity FC supporters.OBSESSED.
It's telling that it took a Glens fan to start the thread and a blueman to join him.
So waht have we learnt from this thread.
1) Derry as a club are *****. Have been in the past (Dykes et al) and will be in the future no doubt. Treat pretty much every other club with disdain.
2) Linfield fans see themselves as defenders of the IL
3) Linfield themselves are run like a junior club
4) None of Linfield, derry, Dungannon or UCD have a pot to **** in
5) UCD fans complain a lot about finances
6) Derry fans complain a lot
Did I miss anything?
Well i guess we've learnt that Pats have at least 1 supporter. though i'm sure i saw about 20 sitting in the stand the last time i saw them. Then again that might have been the European game.
You might have missed the point, that Pats and Bohs might follow Shels and be playing in the 1st Div next year.
Nah, you definitely didnt learn that from this thread.
garyderry
20/02/2009, 3:37 PM
Well i guess we've learnt that Pats have at least 1 supporter. though i'm sure i saw about 20 sitting in the stand the last time i saw them. Then again that might have been the European game.
You might have missed the point, that Pats and Bohs might follow Shels and be playing in the 1st Div next year.
WTF are you on about? whatever about Bohs, what on earth are you on about Pats????
dcfcsteve
22/02/2009, 1:01 AM
Our agenda is never Derry City. Can Derry City state their agenda is never Linfield? You seem as obsessed with us as much as every team in the Irish League are, ffs. :rolleyes:
Self Pity FC.
Aren't you still trying to work-out where Derry is, my unreconstructed little WUM friend......? :rolleyes:
EalingGreen
23/02/2009, 2:46 PM
OBSESSED.
It's telling that it took a Glens fan to start the thread
How so? Would the story be any different if a fan of another club had posted it first?
OBSESSED.
and a blueman to join him.
Actually, a number of other (LOI) posters "joined in" before Graemerz, with comments eg about other delayed transfer payments etc by DCFC.
As for Linfield's dispute over Stewart, it is no longer "news" and fwiw, from what I read at the time, I personally suspect that LFC do not have a case.
Anyhow, if your best (only?) answer to this question over DCFC's conduct in the McGinn transfer is to question the motives of the questioner, then it doesn't say much for your credibility...:rolleyes:
OneRedArmy
23/02/2009, 8:17 PM
Anyhow, if your best (only?) answer to this question over DCFC's conduct in the McGinn transfer is to question the motives of the questioner, then it doesn't say much for your credibility...:rolleyes:Selective reading on your behalf.
There's obviously substance to the allegations, and we do unfortunately have previous, but given the thread is light on facts and high on sensationalist nonsense (comparisons with the Bosman stuff and the Stewart deal), surely I can be forgiven for actually waiting for the facts to emerge.
In any case, as a shareholder in the club I prefer to raise issues when it counts rather than spouting off on an internet forum, as I've tried that and it doesn't really achieve much.
So thats me covered. Whats your interest, benevolence towards Dungannon no doubt?
EalingGreen
24/02/2009, 10:00 AM
Selective reading on your behalf.
There's obviously substance to the allegations, and we do unfortunately have previous, but given the thread is light on facts and high on sensationalist nonsense (comparisons with the Bosman stuff and the Stewart deal), surely I can be forgiven for actually waiting for the facts to emerge.
You accuse me of "selective reading", yet indulge in "selective quoting" about issues (Bosman, Stewart), neither of which was raised by me. Indeed, when I originally brought this topic to Members' attention, I simply posted the article without comment.
In any case, as a shareholder in the club I prefer to raise issues when it counts rather than spouting off on an internet forum, as I've tried that and it doesn't really achieve much.
If you are solely interested in the "issues", why are you questioning my motives? Would you have done so had a fan of an LOI club originally posted the article, rather than one of an IL club?
So thats me covered. Whats your interest, benevolence towards Dungannon no doubt?Am I not entitled to be critical of Derry when they appear to be behaving badly, just because of who I support? :rolleyes:
Insofar as I have an "interest", it is one of "benevolence" towards a small club which seems to be getting shafted by a slightly bigger club - not a very edifying sight, nor a helpful one for the sake of football in Ireland.
For the record, I would feel the same if e.g. Derry were getting shafted by Celtic over this transfer.
OneRedArmy
24/02/2009, 2:21 PM
You accuse me of "selective reading", yet indulge in "selective quoting" about issues (Bosman, Stewart), neither of which was raised by me. Indeed, when I originally brought this topic to Members' attention, I simply posted the article without comment.And that lasted all of 12 minutes.
EalingGreen
24/02/2009, 2:41 PM
And that lasted all of 12 minutes.
Which I make 11 minutes and 59 seconds longer than you've spent on the issue, rather than the "issuer".
I am not the point, here, Derry City's transfer dealing is.
garyderry
24/02/2009, 3:41 PM
Which I make 11 minutes and 59 seconds longer than you've spent on the issue, rather than the "issuer".
I am not the point, here, Derry City's transfer dealing is.
Those running your club dont seem to be as childish as yourself, considering they were happy to do a deal for Scullion.
EalingGreen
24/02/2009, 4:15 PM
Those running your club dont seem to be as childish as yourself, considering they were happy to do a deal for Scullion.
What's "childish" about anything I've posted?
Although you'll probably have a pop when I wonder how DCFC have got the money to pay GFC for Scullion, when they don't appear to have settled any of what they owe Swifts.
I trust the Glens have got a secure payment plan in place...:rolleyes:
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