Gaa 2009

[OwlsFan]

In a nutshell can anyone tell me what this Cork GAA thing is all about with the footballers now also threatening to go on strike. Is it something in a Corkman's blood to "rebel" against the powers that be? It all seems a bit over-dramatic to me in an amateur game.

[micls]

In a nutshell can anyone tell me what this Cork GAA thing is all about with the footballers now also threatening to go on strike. Is it something in a Corkman's blood to "rebel" against the powers that be? It all seems a bit over-dramatic to me in an amateur game.

Basically its all about Frank Murphy, who is basically a dictator in the Cork county Board. Everything goes through him and he wrote himself an airtight contract until he chooses to retire.

McCarthy is Murphys man. McCarthy never wanted the job in the first place but runs a trophy business almost completely reliant on business from the cork County Board. Murphy threatened to take the business elsewhere if he refused the job.

Theres hundreds of other things but thats the crux of it.

Now everyone agrees with the above part but what the disagreements are about is whether the players were right to go on strike over it.

Personally I think theyve done the right thing, stuck by their principles and in the last statement left it up to the people of the clubs to decide. If the clubs back them they'l continue if not theyl disband and a lot will retire.

I think the players have a lot of support, especially after the last statement, the march tomorrow will tell a lot

[Aberdonian Stu]

Whatever about the rights and wrongs of the matter as to who should have what power, the players were placed in a position where they essentially had to strike this year.

They ended last year's strike based on a fairly specific deal regarding consultation with them. Again I'm not trying to come down on one side or another on what should have been given to them. The point is that the county board essentially reneged on this deal leaving the players with no real alternative but to strike as to do otherwise would make them appear toothless.

Irrespective of any negative public opinion the current action might garner, a failure to take such direct action by the players would render their position at future impasses indefensibly weak. From their perspective, if a stand is going to be made then it has to be made here.

[paudie]

They ended last year's strike based on a fairly specific deal regarding consultation with them. Again I'm not trying to come down on one side or another on what should have been given to them. The point is that the county board essentially reneged on this deal leaving the players with no real alternative but to strike as to do otherwise would make them appear toothless.



Not sure about the board reneging on the deal. The players assumed Gerald Mac wouldn't run again for 2009. Nothing in the agreement said that he wouldn't. Also nothing in the agreement that there would be more than 1 candidate for the job. Players should have had their own candidate ready to be nominated to run against the "board nominee".

Whatever about the rights and wrongs Frank Murphy ran rings around them last year. However that obviously only stored up trouble for the future (ie now).

Interesting to see what the footballers strike threat will do.
Murphy won't budge so it's up to club delegates to do something to break the impasse, ie get rid of Murphy.

[Aberdonian Stu]

The deal said that they would have a say in the matter, they didn't. Either way if McCarthy kept the job without player backing, and it was clear he didn't have it, they would still look toothless.

[paudie]

The deal said that they would have a say in the matter, they didn't. Either way if McCarthy kept the job without player backing, and it was clear he didn't have it, they would still look toothless.

The players were to have 2 reps on either a 6 or 7 man committee. That in itself was wrong IMO but they were always going to be outvoted anyway.

[OwlsFan]

Players should play the game and let the administrators get on with administration (however badly). What Cork players turned out against Tipperary then?

[micls]

Players should play the game and let the administrators get on with administration (however badly).

So the players, who are also fans, should stand by as their sport is being run into the ground by Frank Murphy?

A makeshift team lined out, many of them relations of county board members. Over 50others refused to tog out

[Lionel Ritchie]

I'm inclined to agree with Owls Fan. I can understand in exceptional circumstances that a bunch of players in any sport will be unhappy with a person they percieve to be incompetent or unworthy managing them -but this doesn't appear to be one of those exceptional circumstances.

This appears to be about players ...and senior players especially, wanting to excercise a right of veto over who manages them. If a manager is selected on that basis -then frankly he's no manager at all -he's a puppet and a yes man for the senior players.

[kingdom hoop]

I'm not sure on this one at all. I'm confused between wondering whether the players want to topple the undemocratic hierarchy in Cork for the good of the little club; or whether they just want to get rid of Gerald McCarthy and get their own man in as manager?

If it's the former, wider purpose, then why didn't the players highlight that at the outset - especially given it is the root of the problem and solving it is the only real way of rectifying the complaint they have? Pointing the finger at the cabal running Cork GAA would surely have given them a stronger position in everyone's eyes rather than vilifying the manifestation of the core problem (ie the manager).

I'm not sure the position they adopted (seeking to oust the manager) can be tallied with the broader desire of recalibrating the structure in Cork GAA. The fact the hurlers didn't combine with the footballers would suggest the hurlers just want to appoint their own manager. As it has turned out, it merely seems there's a serendipitous synergy between the wants of the hurlers and the needs of the smaller, non-voting clubs in Cork.

[micls]

This appears to be about players ...and senior players especially, wanting to excercise a right of veto over who manages them..
Em no..theyve stated repeatedly they dont want to choose the manager.

Yes they refuse to play under McCarthy but this is simply a syptpm of a much bigger problem.

I cant understand that its difficult for those outside Cork to understand but the CCB and Murphy are rotten to the core. He's a bullying dictator who is ruining GAA in Cork.

All you have to do is look at the clubs and how they feel.
There are 258 in Cork from Junior level up. Every one of them voted Most have no representation in the players involved and no loyalty to them and yet 193 clubs backed the players. Surely that tells anyone looking in that there is more to this than just whinging players.

Not a single club backed McCarthy/CCB(44 abstained, 21 didnt get a chance/chose not to meet).

Now if this was just players out for themselves there is no way they would get that overwhelming support from the grassroots.

The players started this and now its up to the clubs to finish it but it could be one of the most significant events in Cork GAA history. If this panel of players, who put their own reputations on the line(they had a lot less support at the beginning, result in Murphy gone and an overhaul in the county board the I have no doubt they will be looked back upon as legends.

If the players had come out first day and said 'we want rid of Murphy they would have been laughed out of the place. His power has been ultimate for so long. By pushing it starting with McCarthy(Murphys yes man) they starting building up support slowly and some momentum. They more stupid statements the county board made the support for the players grew. Sean Og came out a while back and basically admitted that Murphy was the problem but I honesty dont think they would have gotten anywhere by starting that way(I could be wrong though).

The re-appointment of McCarthy was just the straw that broke the camels back when it came to th way the CCB was doing things.

On the ' senior players wanting to pick their own manager' thing, Id be very surprised if we dont see the retirement of a few of the more senior players anyway so what benefit is it to them to pick the manager. The players fo course want the best man for the job but I really dont think that's the main point

[OwlsFan]

McCarthy should have resigned ages ago rather than being forced out. A lot of wrong on both sides it would appear to me. If a manager loses or in fact never had the dressing room for whatever reason, with no hope of turning things round, he should fall on his sword. Apparently he only resigned because of death threats to his family which I very much doubt were anyway serious. Easy for me to say I know but....no way.

[Pauro 76]

Completely off-topic but can someone tell me the county colours of Fingal hurling team? Thanks! :-)

[WexCar]

Purple (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2008/0705/fingalrackard.html)

[Pauro 76]

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2009/0508/rte_gaachampionship2009.html

Cheers mate, another query. How come Pat Spillane isnt presenting on RTE's coverage?

[OwlsFan]

I see Cork gave Tipp a good run for their money. Not sure Tipp are the contenders some people think they might be for the All Ireland.

[MeathDrog]

Anyone off to the match tomorrow??

[shakermaker1982]

It should be an interesting one. Dublin were hopeless against Mayo in the League earlier this year. Any good young players coming through from either side?

[MeathDrog]

Paddy O Rourke will start in goals. A good young keeper. Nephew of Colm O Rourke.

[rambler14]

Two referees wrecked both televised games yesterday.:(

[shakermaker1982]

nobody watching this year?

Cork stun Kerry.
Tyrone look like the real thing again.
Mayo absolutely murder a young Roscommon. I have to admit I felt sorry for em.

[Aberdonian Stu]

Cork didn't really stun Kerry, I've pretty much settled in to expecting a slow start from Kerry these days. Tyrone looked pedestrian at times yesterday but they had a fierce slow start last year and we know how that ended.

I could see Kildare making a deep run, not winning the All Ireland or even making the final mind, even if they (expectedly) lose in Leinster. A decent draw through the back door (by which I mean avoiding Kerry) and they could make the semis.

Overall it's hard to look away from Cork, Kerry or Tyrone, though it's odd how these teams would play each other in the win-or-go-out phase as it's quite the pack of contrasting styles. Also Cork will want to avoid Dublin as despite the lacklustre performances by the Dubs this season to date (I'd love to call them contenders but I really can't yet) I feel their game would catch this Cork team cold most days.

[shakermaker1982]

I expected more from Kerry in the replay. To get outplayed the following week is not something Kerry would be used to. Such a shame they introduced the back door system. I'm not sure what to make of Cork. They look the real deal down in Munster but as soon as you get them to Croke they morph into Mayo!

Saying that I'm quite optimistic about Mayo's chances this year - not to win it but put a solid run together. If we can get past Sligo/Galway then a place in the Semi's is not beyond reach. Galway's forward line is always a danger and if they win Connacht then I'd expect them to be there or thereabouts.

[paul_oshea]

Mayo looked very good, even for as bad as roscommon looked mayo were very good. Unbeleivably fast.

Im not worried about roscommons forward line, i think they are actually quite good, as was proved in the NFL will all forwards scoring a huge average. Senan kilbride was a big loss on sunday in the forward line but in the end it didnt matter much given how they played, had either of those early goal chances gone in or both even then it would have been a different game. Mayo still would have won though. Ros FB line is terrible conceded nearly 2 goals every game in D3 football and were completely blown apart by Mayos FF line. They are too small in frame and height. Nolan and cant remember who went up with him for the high ball at the same time was pure inexperience, one should have shouted for it and the other should have stepped back covering the FB line. Anyway unless the FB line is completely replaced they are going to do nothing for years. Its a bad state of affairs when the county champions have only one representative on teh team, and most of the team is made up of intermediate players.....hopefully next year with oneill, cregg, kilbride and a.n.other (full)back then we can start going places.

[Maz]

Leitrim and Longford in a couple of weeks, game of the qualifiers no doubt :)

Our Juniors could possibly win some silverware on Sunday in Croker

[Maz]

My goodness, Dublin vs Westmeath, worst game for a neutral and a Westmeath person. Pity the Longford and Louth people who bothered to stay and watch it.

[Shilts]

Do the players of Wetmeath and Roscommon deserve any grants???
I think not.
These grants are supposed to be for elite sportsmen.
This would easily exclude MOST of the inter-county players in both codes (some would say all).

If I was a Westmeath player I would be too embarrassed to complain at not getting a grant.

[DeLorean]

Do the players of Wetmeath and Roscommon deserve any grants???
I think not.
These grants are supposed to be for elite sportsmen.
This would easily exclude MOST of the inter-county players in both codes (some would say all).

If I was a Westmeath player I would be too embarrassed to complain at not getting a grant.

So what are you suggesting? Performance related grants or no grants whatsoever? The grants are minimal anyway and basically represent a reward for the effort put in over the year. Every team is going to have a day where things go horribly wrong and the likes of Dublin, Kerry and Cork are not exempt from this. Because Westmeath and Roscommon might not have the talent of these counties doesn't mean they haven't given similar commitment over the year. Where did it say the grants were supposed to be for elite sportsmen anyway?

Back to the action, the Dubs were ruthless but we've seen it all before. Kildare will be a bigger test but they should still win I'd imagine. A Dublin Kerry Q/Final would be tasty or Tyrone Kerry. I see TV3 have gone all Sky Sports-like advertising their coverage next wkd as 'Silverware Sunday'. They'd have to do more than that to make on-paper mismatches like Cork-Limerick and Kilkenny-Dublin more appealing to neutrals.

[Aberdonian Stu]

The way Cork-Limerick is going to go down is hard to call. I expect Cork to win but how so is another question. If they start off sluggishly then Limerick have a puncher's chance but even if they do start poorly I still expect them to win ugly. If Cork get going early however it could be over by half time.

Kilkenny-Dublin I expect to start with Dublin holding their own for about 15-20 minutes, maybe even until the break, before Kilkenny take charge and win comfortably but not by an embarrassing scoreline (so about and 11 or 12 point win).

Incidentally in both cases I hope I'm horribly wrong and the underdogs win, especially the Dublin hurlers, but suffice to say from my predictions I'm not confident.

[bennocelt]

Do the players of Wetmeath and Roscommon deserve any grants???
I think not.
These grants are supposed to be for elite sportsmen.
This would easily exclude MOST of the inter-county players in both codes (some would say all).

If I was a Westmeath player I would be too embarrassed to complain at not getting a grant.

no Gah player deserves a grant to be honest

[paul_oshea]

Leitrim and Longford in a couple of weeks, game of the qualifiers no doubt :)

Our Juniors could possibly win some silverware on Sunday in Croker

How did they get on? Was phil reynolds playing in that game? I know he was struggling with injuries.

[DeLorean]

How did they get on? Was phil reynolds playing in that game? I know he was struggling with injuries.

Not on until Saturday evening- GAA-QUALIFIERS:Phase1 (http://www.gaa.ie/page/gaa_football_all_ireland_senior_championship3.html )

[Maz]

How did they get on? Was phil reynolds playing in that game? I know he was struggling with injuries.
The Juniors drew, replay is Wed week in Pearse Park in Longford as far as I know. Yeah Phillip came on for Mark during the game.

[DeLorean]

Oops, never seen reference to the Juniors, my bad:o

[paul_oshea]

The Juniors drew, replay is Wed week in Pearse Park in Longford as far as I know. Yeah Phillip came on for Mark during the game.

Ya was just nosing on his bookface photos last night. Funny wonder when the last time a brother replaced a brother in Croker :D

[Shilts]

So what are you suggesting? Performance related grants or no grants whatsoever? The grants are minimal anyway and basically represent a reward for the effort put in over the year. Every team is going to have a day where things go horribly wrong and the likes of Dublin, Kerry and Cork are not exempt from this. Because Westmeath and Roscommon might not have the talent of these counties doesn't mean they haven't given similar commitment over the year. Where did it say the grants were supposed to be for elite sportsmen anyway?



The sports council awards grants to elite sports people in different sports. The award and amount are totally down to performance. If you medal you get more next year. If you flop you will be punished in your pocket.

The grant scheme for the GAA 'stars' is just for showing up.
This for me is not good enough.
We should be using the money for our elite sports people ONLY.
How many GAA 'stars' could possibly describe themselves as elite sports people?
5max?

[strangeirish]

How many GAA 'stars' could possibly describe themselves as elite sports people?
5max?Never heard of him. Is he a wrestler or a full forward?

[Shilts]

Never heard of him. Is he a wrestler or a full forward?

Both :D

[rebus2008]

The sports council awards grants to elite sports people in different sports. The award and amount are totally down to performance. If you medal you get more next year. If you flop you will be punished in your pocket.

The grant scheme for the GAA 'stars' is just for showing up.
This for me is not good enough.
We should be using the money for our elite sports people ONLY.
How many GAA 'stars' could possibly describe themselves as elite sports people?
5max?

its all relative really.
Some of the olympians we send are embarassed every 4 years but theyy are elite compared with other local athletes.
LOI players could be deemed elite when compared with LSL players but would be embarrassed if they competed weke in week out with players from top or 2nd teir leagues in europe.
Ditto for gaa players, the top25% would on a par with many professionalls in terms of fitness wise and mental apporach, but many wouldn't be.

My view - give the time to intercounty scene for free if you can but don't if you feel you need grant to do. LOI shows that we can't support full time professional scene while level of garnts is so mickey mouse that it wouldn't be worth gaa tearing itself apart over it.

[danonion]

Obviously delighted

[rebus2008]

in fairness, two poor teams who don't want or are incapable of playing to the spirit or skills of the game. Wasn't case of neither deserving to lose but neither deserving to win

An now we have to suffer more drudgery with derry-monaghan II

Will someone not think of the children.:(

[DeLorean]

The Ulster teams only seem to put on those poor showing against each other. They play decent enough football once they're playing teams from other provinces. I don't think it's a big deal really.

Good wkd ahead anyway I'd imagine-

Sat
3pm Monaghan v Derry (RTE)
5pm Longford v Kerry (TV3)
7pm Clare v Galway (RTE) should be a cracker, fancy Clare

Sun
2pm Dublin v Kildare (TV3)
4pm Tipp v Waterford (RTE)

[old git]

The Ulster teams only seem to put on those poor showing against each other. They play decent enough football once they're playing teams from other provinces. I don't think it's a big deal really.

Good wkd ahead anyway I'd imagine-

Sat
3pm Monaghan v Derry (RTE)
5pm Longford v Kerry (TV3)
7pm Clare v Galway (RTE) should be a cracker, fancy Clare

Sun
2pm Dublin v Kildare (TV3)
4pm Tipp v Waterford (RTE)


clare v galway you were way off the mark clare were brutal need big overhaul in players :eek:

[strangeirish]

On the net here...

http://www.gaalive.net/news.php

[gilberto_eire]

What's with TV3 getting all the provincial finals :confused:... worst coverage ever, their commentators really take away from the games, always bring it down a level IMO... glad they don't have any of the Ireland games anymore

[old git]

What's with TV3 getting all the provincial finals :confused:... worst coverage ever, their commentators really take away from the games, always bring it down a level IMO... glad they don't have any of the Ireland games anymore

have to agree commentater during dublin v kildare today's match was totally besotted with dublin .. ruined a good game listening to him ...:(

[DeLorean]

clare v galway you were way off the mark clare were brutal need big overhaul in players :eek:

Yeah got that one well wrong. Fancied Monaghan and Waterford as well so what'd I know!! Clare had impressed me against Tipp and I thought they'd uncovered a really good free taker.


their commentators really take away from the games

Give me them or anybody over Ger Canning. The most artificial, lick-arsing tos$er of all time. Here's a quote from the Cork Waterford Munster Final in 2004 (RTE showed it again the last day after Tipp match for some reason)-

"I hope you're good at the maths from here on in. I was missing from school the day they did counting. I was out with a hamstring injury to the mouth"

What a moron.

[gustavo]

Give me them or anybody over Ger Canning. The most artificial, lick-arsing tos$er of all time. Here's a quote from the Cork Waterford Munster Final in 2004 (RTE showed it again the last day after Tipp match for some reason)-

"I hope you're good at the maths from here on in. I was missing from school the day they did counting. I was out with a hamstring injury to the mouth"

What a moron.
agreed

Every time a point is scored he says "and that's over the bar"

Of course it's over the ****ing bar he wasn't going for a goal from that distance

[gilberto_eire]

Give me them or anybody over Ger Canning. The most artificial, lick-arsing tos$er of all time. Here's a quote from the Cork Waterford Munster Final in 2004 (RTE showed it again the last day after Tipp match for some reason)-

"I hope you're good at the maths from here on in. I was missing from school the day they did counting. I was out with a hamstring injury to the mouth"

What a moron.

Think the opposite, i think he's RTE'S best commentator... hate when Darragh Maloney or Marty Morrisey are commentating.... although apart from Connacht football 1/4's/semi's(away to sligo/leitrim last two years) i've not missed a championship game for either the hurlers or footballers in the past few years, so it's less of a problem for me now :D

[Rovers fan]

Give me them or anybody over Ger Canning

Whilst I despise Ger Canning (admittedly less than my father), the commentators on TV3 are unbelievably bad. They try and use flowery (for want of a better word) language when there's absolutely no need for it. We're trying to watch a game of Gaelic, we don't want to listen to two fools try and out-do each other with bigger and better words (often used out of context).


galway-cork in the hurling should be the best game of the year so far. It's a really hard one to call. Galway flatter to deceive every year but hopefully this can be their year:) Although, I've a funny feeling Cork will surprise. They could easily have beaten Tipp, and they are only going to improve. Ben O'connor would be a big loss if he misses out (especially considering Joe Deane is gone now aswell).

It's a shame Sligo got an away draw game against Kerry (doubt I'll make which means I won't have been at any of their games this year:eek:). We have a fairly good team this year, with an improved forward line but Kerry is too big a task. Having said that, I don't think Kerry will go the whole way this year (every other year I tip them!). Donaghy will be a big loss, and Gooch seems to have lost the spark ever since his father died (even his demeanor and body language on the field has changed). The football championship really is wide open this year. I'd fabour Cork, but I'm not sure if they can do it when it matters most...