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don ramo
06/02/2009, 6:40 AM
well were trying to get a group together in the clubhouse sunday evening, to see if we can brainstorm any good ideas for fundraising, as soon as a time is set, all will know, and all will be welcome
Redshanks
06/02/2009, 7:15 AM
We are where we are so lets adjust and work hard to make a success of it going forward.
1. When Dan and John prepared the budget that was put before us a couple of meetings back, they did so based on a model designed for the 1st Division, but as accountants, they worked it on very conservative gate figures. I still feel, although those figures will be down, as we are in the A League, they wont be that far down.
2. Since many of the expected players that might have hung around for the 1st Division (wont play for no pay) it will be mainly local lads who will line out for us this year. It wont be MSL (as they will get some form of payback at end of season, as was pointed out by john at last weeks meeting) but it will for all intents and purposes be a local team. That will mean more local families and friends will come in the gate to see them play.
3. As Sniffer already mentioned, off-field fundraising and clubhouse entertainment will also need to be stepped up bigtime, and current boycotts will have to be suspended by those who claim to be 'Real' club-people.
We may not win any titles or silverware in year one of this new direction, but we will certainly make big inroads into clearing club debts, paying off creditors, saving and building credit off-field, building a team on field, and allowing our pitch and facilities to other under age teams who are in fact, the future of this club!
Who said the future looks bad?
ramblers
06/02/2009, 8:29 AM
Is there anything official on which league we are in?
GenerationXI
06/02/2009, 10:14 AM
I for one will not be attending "A" league games not a hope in hell ...
:rolleyes: Go out and support your club - they need you now more than ever.
We are where we are so lets adjust and work hard to make a success of it going forward.
1. When Dan and John prepared the budget that was put before us a couple of meetings back, they did so based on a model designed for the 1st Division, but as accountants, they worked it on very conservative gate figures. I still feel, although those figures will be down, as we are in the A League, they wont be that far down.
2. Since many of the expected players that might have hung around for the 1st Division (wont play for no pay) it will be mainly local lads who will line out for us this year. It wont be MSL (as they will get some form of payback at end of season, as was pointed out by john at last weeks meeting) but it will for all intents and purposes be a local team. That will mean more local families and friends will come in the gate to see them play.
3. As Sniffer already mentioned, off-field fundraising and clubhouse entertainment will also need to be stepped up bigtime, and current boycotts will have to be suspended by those who claim to be 'Real' club-people.
We may not win any titles or silverware in year one of this new direction, but we will certainly make big inroads into clearing club debts, paying off creditors, saving and building credit off-field, building a team on field, and allowing our pitch and facilities to other under age teams who are in fact, the future of this club!
Who said the future looks bad?
I think this is a mature and measured approach to the situation. Building organically is the only way to go. The glory days are over, but if you continue to build on this model, you'll soon be one of the most stable teams in the country.
Licenses are to be granted on the 16th February, with Fixtures released on the 20th. That's what I was told on another thread.
the sub
06/02/2009, 10:46 AM
Munster Senior League-The only option in my opinion.I for one will not be attending "A" league games not a hope in hell but I would relish the chance of supporting a local team against the likes of Avondale,Douglas Hall etc.Under the current crop mistakes have been made but dropping into this joke of a division would be a disaster it just wont work theres no posatives at all to be taken from it.
Are you for real... you are going backward in a club if that was the case.
At least if you stay in the A League you have a good chance of getting back in to LOI.
Its not a joke league from what I have seen, the players will have an opporunity to play against better player.
The A League was set up to ensure all senior player coming back from injury plus player on the verge of making the 1st team will get experance.
The under 20's league is a stepping stone for player just out of Youth teams to gain the experance to step up to the A league and then into the 1st team.
This is where a club will keep the best players and bring in the best player from out side the club who want to move into LOI or get spotted playing and move yo uk.
Over the last few week LOI clubs have made money,with un 20's and A League players moving to English clubs as they were spotted by scouts watching them play in higher standered leagues.
If they played AUL or MSL ,I do not think they would have been seen as scouts are not looking at these games and would be lost to the sport.
ramblers
06/02/2009, 1:23 PM
Can we wait for the official announcement before we all jump to conclusions on which league we are in. There is enough infighting without starting over something that isnt official.
Don Ramo that sounds like the most constructive thing I have seen on here in a long while well done.
Unfortuanatly I wont be able to make it but have one or two suggestions.
A 2 euro mile might be a good idea also this is just a suggestion keep the amount of money required small so that people will be more likely to give say 1 or 2 euro then give 5-10 now.
Jdrams fan
06/02/2009, 6:18 PM
its great to hear something constructive instead of bitching i think we need to get the schools involved in some way like if some pupils in the schools who already go to the rams matches try to get their friends to buy tickets for the games and then reward them by saying for example if you sell 5 or 10 tickets to a home game you get in free yourself with a free programme. These kids are our clubs future then we could also look at some family packages which include a reseved area in the stand programmes and maybe a burger and chips from the van and a drink in the bar for the parents at halftime or at the end of the game for a certain price. Lets make colmans park an attractive place to go on friday or saturday night while not breaking the bank for people.
rambler14
07/02/2009, 4:14 PM
If were A League our matchs will be played in the afternoons!
sadloserkid
09/02/2009, 3:42 PM
Well you will have to win the A league to get back up
No you won't. Mervue didn't win it this year.
Munster Senior League-The only option in my opinion.I for one will not be attending "A" league games not a hope in hell
Why? The standard in the MSL is fairly terrible. It's just junior football under a different name to be frank.
rambler14
09/02/2009, 4:02 PM
No you won't. Mervue didn't win it this year.
Why? The standard in the MSL is fairly terrible. It's just junior football under a different name to be frank.
Mervue did win the A League and beat Kildare in a play-off to gain 1st Division status!:confused:
Until you've seen MSL football please don't right it off as IMO at least 3 MSL teams would blitz the 1st Division. Avondale, Rockmount and Douglas Hall. It's at the same standard if not higher than 1st Division football.
Schumi
09/02/2009, 4:14 PM
Mervue did win the A League and beat Kildare in a play-off to gain 1st Division status!:confused:
UCD won the A League. Mervue were the highest placed non-league team so they went into the play-off.
Ramblers have a massive history in the MSL and there are teams like Avondale,Douglas Hall,Rockmount who would easily dispose of 1st division teams on their day.Theres no spice to the "A" league,no attendences,no coverage and nothing worth winning-I dont even know who won it last year,the MSL on the other hand has a local pedigree with some good players.Its just my opinion on things and I know for sure there will be a lot more like me who wont pay into that s#ite,Im alse fed up with the way the club is been run so another factor there...
Sheridan
09/02/2009, 4:20 PM
Ramblers have a massive history in the MSL and there are teams like Avondale,Douglas Hall,Rockmount who would easily dispose of 1st division teams on their day
What day is that, the 32nd of July?
don ramo
09/02/2009, 5:53 PM
if you go to MSL youll have to come back up through the A league, and anyway wanderers are the local MSL team, MSL is 25 years ago, and it can stay there, i dont want to drop a divison but it has to be it has to be, we should easily win that, last year there was only merview and salthill, thi year theres is it 3 new teams plus kildare and us, and most likely kildare will stay up if we go down,
and anyway, id prefer to wait to see what the story is before i jump to conclusions,
and BTW lads how many MSL games have ye seen, not all the teams are ****e, and like us years ago, should really be playing at a higher level,
If we go back to M.S.L we can kiss goodbye to the club.
If we're in that league we don't stand a chance in getting out of the sh!te we're in.
At least in the in the A league, we will have a good chance of getting back to the 1st division in a couple of seasons, we can get our house in order and start aiming to get back to premier league football.
Mervue did win the A League and beat Kildare in a play-off to gain 1st Division status!:confused:
Until you've seen MSL football please don't right it off as IMO at least 3 MSL teams would blitz the 1st Division. Avondale, Rockmount and Douglas Hall. It's at the same standard if not higher than 1st Division football.
Blitz is a bit of an overstatement isn't it? Have you heard what Fingal's team is gonna be? Do you really think Rockmount would comfortably finish ahead of Shelbourne? We played Douglas Hall in the cup two years ago, and whilst they gave us a good game we were still clearly the better side.
As for yout current woes guys, I've made this suggestion on the Limerick forum and I think it could serve Cobh well too. Create a Junior Supporter's Clubs, and get 1 or 2 players to do the rounds of the local Primary schools and hand out membership cards after a short training session. We started the idea last year cause I was taken by surprise one day when the ex's little brother came running up to me to show me his Limerick 37 supporters card that himself and his classmates had been given for free by one of the players. He then started to bug his dad into bringing him to a game, such was his pride at being apart of a football team's supporters. Start targetting the new generation of fans, because the vast majority of the current crop are lost to watching Sky down the pub forever
gael353
10/02/2009, 10:06 PM
Mervue did win the A League and beat Kildare in a play-off to gain 1st Division status!:confused:
Until you've seen MSL football please don't right it off as IMO at least 3 MSL teams would blitz the 1st Division. Avondale, Rockmount and Douglas Hall. It's at the same standard if not higher than 1st Division football.
As mentioned Mervue did not win the A league, they came forth and were winners of the play off but will they enter the first divison is another question. Douglas hall got wallopped by a mid prem Limerick league team in the FAI the other day. Couple of years ago Pike Rovers, to prove they were good went into the MSL. After winning it seven times running they withdrew as the Limerick Premier league is seen as a higher standard.
Long Throw
10/02/2009, 10:40 PM
That was Douglas Hall's second team who played in the FAI junior Cup
Gaillimh Al
10/02/2009, 11:55 PM
[QUOTE=gael353;1102385 but will they(Mervue) enter the first divison is another question.[/QUOTE]
There is no question. They will be playing in the First Division this year. Are playing in Terryland until they hope to get stand erected in Fahy's Field.
Are heading off on 4-day training camp to Spain in mid-February. Whether they will be competitive or not is another question.
Create a Junior Supporter's Clubs, and get 1 or 2 players to do the
rounds of the local Primary schools and hand out membership cards after a short training session.
That is one of the best ways to get people in.
Get the players to make themselves more popular with kids, kids want to go
to games to see the lads who trained them in school, parents have to pay in to
bring the kids, kids buy stuff in the shop, Dads get to head out and meet their mates
for 2 hours under the guise of looking after the kids, everyones a winner! :D
As mentioned Mervue did not win the A league, they came forth and were winners of the play off but will they enter the first divison is another question. Douglas hall got wallopped by a mid prem Limerick league team in the FAI the other day. Couple of years ago Pike Rovers, to prove they were good went into the MSL. After winning it seven times running they withdrew as the Limerick Premier league is seen as a higher standard.
Not wanting to stick the boot into a very good side, but we beat Douglas Hall 5-0 in the Cup in 2006 I think, when we were absolute sh!te (though Prem at the time, we were a far, far worse side than now, it was pretty much the only game we won all year)
Ordinary Joe
12/02/2009, 6:19 PM
As mentioned Mervue did not win the A league, they came forth and were winners of the play off but will they enter the first divison is another question. Douglas hall got wallopped by a mid prem Limerick league team in the FAI the other day. Couple of years ago Pike Rovers, to prove they were good went into the MSL. After winning it seven times running they withdrew as the Limerick Premier league is seen as a higher standard.
Ah stop! Your seeing things through rose tinted glasses. Saying the Limerick Junior premier league is superior to the MSL is just nonsense!!!
sadloserkid
13/02/2009, 3:07 PM
Ah stop! Your seeing things through rose tinted glasses. Saying the Limerick Junior premier league is superior to the MSL is just nonsense!!!
You registered just to say that? :D The MSL is Senior in name only. It's hardly representative of the whole province either. The top teams in Limerick's junior set up would be of comparable standard to the MSL's best. I'm not going to dismiss the MSL en masse but there are 'junior' sides in Limerick (and Tipperary, Kerry and Waterford for that matter) who are just as good as the likes of Douglas Hall.
Ordinary Joe
13/02/2009, 9:35 PM
You registered just to say that? :D The MSL is Senior in name only. It's hardly representative of the whole province either. The top teams in Limerick's junior set up would be of comparable standard to the MSL's best. I'm not going to dismiss the MSL en masse but there are 'junior' sides in Limerick (and Tipperary, Kerry and Waterford for that matter) who are just as good as the likes of Douglas Hall.
Of course there are good sides in other leagues, that's not in dispute. But saying that Pike had to leave the MSL to get a better standard of football was plain nonsense. It's a pity that the top sides in Munster are not keen in joining the A league or in competing in some form of regional league. Wouldn't it be great to see Rockmount v Fairview, Douglas Hall v Pike or Avondale V Carrick. :)
don ramo
14/02/2009, 1:19 AM
it was a big decision by rams also to join the league, not every club can just join the league, we were dominateing MSL, so our only challenge was LOI football, and overall the goods outweighted the bads,
and of course thats my opinion, there has been more good than bad
sadloserkid
17/02/2009, 3:24 PM
Wouldn't it be great to see Rockmount v Fairview, Douglas Hall v Pike or Avondale V Carrick. :)
I would personally much prefer to see that. :)
Shilts
18/02/2009, 3:32 PM
You registered just to say that? :D The MSL is Senior in name only. It's hardly representative of the whole province either. The top teams in Limerick's junior set up would be of comparable standard to the MSL's best. I'm not going to dismiss the MSL en masse but there are 'junior' sides in Limerick (and Tipperary, Kerry and Waterford for that matter) who are just as good as the likes of Douglas Hall.
If the Limerick league is so hot how come they were beaten this year by the Cork AUL in the Oscar Traynor Cup and we all know that the AUL wouldn't ever beat the MSL. However, Pike, Carrick, Clonmel and Lisselton (Kerry) should all lobby to form a Munster League with the best of the MSL. That would be a great league to play in.
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