FIFA rankings thread

[geysir]

Winning a semi and then the final, carries greater weight in the match importance ranking points multiplier scheme of things.

[shakermaker1982]

Montenegro are flying. Number 98 now.

[swinfordfc]

preview for august - knows there some games play in america?

[irishfan86]

preview for august - knows there some games play in america?

The Gold Cup is CONCACAF's equivalent to the Euro Tournament, and is being played right now.

[swinfordfc]

The Gold Cup is CONCACAF's equivalent to the Euro Tournament, and is being played right now.

how's the usa doing in it? will they win it?

[irishfan86]

how's the usa doing in it? will they win it?

The US have started off with 2 wins: a 2-0 win over Honduras (decent team by this region's standards) and a 4-0 win over Granada, which is to be expected. They play Haiti in their final group match on Saturday, and should finish the group stage with 3 wins.

The US are hosting the tournament, and they have started well, but because the Confederations Cup has just been played, they are fielding what is essentially a B team. That doesn't mean that there are no senior players there, but I'd question this team's ability to beat Mexico in the knock-out rounds.

Example: No Donovan, Dempsey, Beasley, Spector, Bocanegra, Howard, or Hahnemann, among others.

Mexico have the stronger squad, but the US have home field advantage. I'll be hoping Canada can add another Gold Cup to the collection. :cool:

[swinfordfc]

The US have started off with 2 wins: a 2-0 win over Honduras (decent team by this region's standards) and a 4-0 win over Granada, which is to be expected. They play Haiti in their final group match on Saturday, and should finish the group stage with 3 wins.

The US are hosting the tournament, and they have started well, but because the Confederations Cup has just been played, they are fielding what is essentially a B team. That doesn't mean that there are no senior players there, but I'd question this team's ability to beat Mexico in the knock-out rounds.

Example: No Donovan, Dempsey, Beasley, Spector, Bocanegra, Howard, or Hahnemann, among others.

Mexico have the stronger squad, but the US have home field advantage. I'll be hoping Canada can add another Gold Cup to the collection. :cool:

Is Guzan (villa sub keeper) playing for USA?

[Chicago AOH]

Guzan hasn't played in the first two games, they have picked a new guy called Troy Perkins, who plays in Norway...
Like Irishfan86 stated, this is a B team full of MLS fringe players, and I think that Guzan is deemed too good for this tournament by the US coach...

[swinfordfc]

Guzan hasn't played in the first two games, they have picked a new guy called Troy Perkins, who plays in Norway...
Like Irishfan86 stated, this is a B team full of MLS fringe players, and I think that Guzan is deemed too good for this tournament by the US coach...

Cheers

[gspain]

According to here

http://www.football-rankings.info/2009/09/fifa-ranking-october-2009-probable_07.html

a win on Tuesday could see us jump 10 places in the FIFA rankings to 28th. This would move us back ahead of Northern Ireland and Scotland.

[EalingGreen]

According to here

http://www.football-rankings.info/2009/09/fifa-ranking-october-2009-probable_07.html

a win on Tuesday could see us jump 10 places in the FIFA rankings to 28th. This would move us back ahead of Northern Ireland and Scotland.
What, even if we were to beat Slovakia the following evening?

P.S. I'm not actually taking it for granted that we will beat the Slovaks (injuries etc); then again, given ROI's recent "form" in friendlies, I wouldn't take it for granted you'll win on Tuesday.

[Stuttgart88]

P.S. I'm not actually taking it for granted that we will beat the Slovaks (injuries etc); then again, given ROI's recent "form" in friendlies, I wouldn't take it for granted you'll win on Tuesday.EG, what is the point of even adding that if it's not a dig?

GS made an interesting observation, nobody here made any presumptions about the result.

[EalingGreen]

EG, what is the point of even adding that if it's not a dig?

GS made an interesting observation, nobody here made any presumptions about the result.So Gspain is allowed an "observation", even where it appears to discount the possibility of NI beating Slovakia, whereas when I allude to the possibility of ROI not winning next Tuesday, that makes my observation a "dig"?

P.S. When I typed "I'm not actually taking it for granted that we will beat the Slovaks", was that me having a "dig" at NI? :rolleyes:

[Stuttgart88]

GSpain's "observation" was simply to quote FIFA's probable rankings. Your gripe should be with FIFA, not GSpain. I'm not sure anyone could be arsed working out exactly where FIFA gets its outcomes from - for all I know it could be a bad result of ours in the past dropping out, or a good result of yours dropping out. Don't know, don't care to be honest.

Edit: just read through it on FIFA's website - it assumes an Ireland win, a Northern Ireland draw. Not my prediction, or Gspain's.

[eirebhoy]

That's not a FIFA site btw Stutts. :)

[Stuttgart88]

whatever, just saying that nobody here made any presumptions and yet EG's first contribution here in a while was to comment on our friendly record.

[geysir]

At least Eirebhoy found the right thread.

[gspain]

It's not a FIFA site as has been stated. However it is normally very accurate.

My understanding is that we will move ahead of Northern Ireland in the rankings irrespective of their game tonight. If Scotland beat Holland they will probably remain ahead of us.

I'm not presuming anything ands indeed hope NI do win tonight.

The rankings also take into account the downgrading of previous September results. These include our defeats v Czech 2007, Germany 2006, France 2005. These also include NI's wins v England 2005 & Spain 2006.

Anyway the site will most likely be updated tomorrow and will be better than my back of the envelope calculations.

[Edgar]

It's not a FIFA site as has been stated. However it is normally very accurate.

Thanks :)


My understanding is that we will move ahead of Northern Ireland in the rankings irrespective of their game tonight.

No. They will have 850 points with a win compared with your 799.


If Scotland beat Holland they will probably remain ahead of us.

Even a draw will be enough for Scotland - 839 points.


Anyway the site will most likely be updated tomorrow and will be better than my back of the envelope calculations.

Make that Friday.

[geysir]

It's not a FIFA site as has been stated. However it is normally very accurate.

My understanding is that we will move ahead of Northern Ireland in the rankings irrespective of their game tonight. If Scotland beat Holland they will probably remain ahead of us.

I'm not presuming anything ands indeed hope NI do win tonight.

The rankings also take into account the downgrading of previous September results. These include our defeats v Czech 2007, Germany 2006, France 2005. These also include NI's wins v England 2005 & Spain 2006.

Anyway the site will most likely be updated tomorrow and will be better than my back of the envelope calculations.

It does appear to be a sore issue for you for Ireland to be ahead of NI on the FIFA table. Thats the second time you have mentioned being ahead of NI.


Would it not be better for us to take care of our games, if NI beat Slovakia we can possibly overtake Slovakia and climb into the 2nd seeds on the more important UEFA table? A NI victory could have a big value for us.

Is there a need for back of the envelope calculations?
In Edgar's predictive FIFA table, the past results which drop out have already been factored and the table just assumes the likely results in games not yet played.
The likely results are linked on another page.

No harm though to climb up the FIFA table and be in a good position if FIFA decide suddenly to use them for something like the play offs (only if it supports their desires).

[swinfordfc]

Well Ireland did they bit last night but to move to 28th placed - other result have to go they way like Scotland losing (i dont want this to happen) and N Ireland drawing (again want them to win). i thought Ghana didnt have a game but they play a friendly against Japan and lost 4-3 - Edgar will this result count towards the rankings, if it does, do they go below Ireland cause they suppose to be 26th placed

[geysir]

All results count
As Ghana were supposed to draw probable results (http://www.football-rankings.info/2009/09/fifa-ranking-october-2009-probable_6596.html), they will be worse off in the real table.

[swinfordfc]

All results count
As Ghana were supposed to draw probable results (http://www.football-rankings.info/2009/09/fifa-ranking-october-2009-probable_6596.html), they will be worse off in the real table.

Thanks - i miss it up at the top - sweet - might nicked ahead of them ;)

[EalingGreen]

whatever, just saying that nobody here made any presumptions and yet EG's first contribution here in a while was to comment on our friendly record.
Imo you're out of order on a number of counts here, S88.

First, it was Edgar's (excellent) site, not FIFA's.

Second, his site his alternative rankings are based on predictions, namely that ROI would beat SA and NI draw with Slovakia. And whilst each of these is reasonable, neither is guaranteed.

Third, Gspain seems (erroneously) to have presumed that an ROI victory over SA would see them rise above ROI in the FIFA rankings, regardless of how we did against Slovakia.

On which basis, everything I posted was either factual (i.e. querying Gspain's error over the effect of an NI victory), or opinion (i.e. that ROI might not beat SA).

Regarding this latter, you might consider it to have been a bit of a "dig" by me. However I feel that that smacks of premature offence, even mild paranoia on your part, since it was hardly an outrageous suggestion - at least no more than my other opinion that we might not beat Slovakia this evening*. Unless, of course, you simply don't feel I should be allowed to express an opinion at all...:rolleyes:

P.S. I don't actually want, never mind need, a response by you to this post, if for no other reason than that it all must be boring the arse of other readers.

* - Or was that opinion a "dig" by me against NI? :rolleyes:

[DeLorean]

it all must be boring the arse of other readers

I'm bored anyway so don't worry about me.

[The Legend]

Well Ireland did they bit last night but to move to 28th placed - other result have to go they way like Scotland losing (i dont want this to happen)

ehm, you want Scotland to win? Well I don't, we need them to lose as a buffer against the worst 2nd place spot!

[swinfordfc]

ehm, you want Scotland to win? Well I don't, we need them to lose as a buffer against the worst 2nd place spot!

If we are good enough - we should get 4pts in last 2 games and thus be in the playoffs - as it has work out - we need only 2pts so love them to have a real go at italy now - but it will be a draw

Edgar - are we still 28th spot or have we move up 1/2 spots? i'm curious - Ghana loss and Denmark drew ...... :D

[Stuttgart88]

I'll respond anyway EG.

As I said above, the reason I interpreted it as a dig was simply because somebody posted that we "could" overtake NI if we beat SA. Nobody made any presumptions whatsoever. You hadn't commented on anything on this section of our site for a while but all of a sudden you drop in unable to resist pointing out that our friendly record of late has been pretty crap. That's why I took it as a dig. You say it wasn't intended as such so I'm perfectly happy to accept that it wasn't.

I'm surprised at your reaction to be honest as I like to think that I've never been anything other than fair in my interaction with you and your fellow NI supporters in this site

I doubt (hope) that neither gspain nor Edgar think I was out of order for misidentifying the source of the information and predictions.

[gspain]

It does appear to be a sore issue for you for Ireland to be ahead of NI on the FIFA table. Thats the second time you have mentioned being ahead of NI.


Would it not be better for us to take care of our games, if NI beat Slovakia we can possibly overtake Slovakia and climb into the 2nd seeds on the more important UEFA table? A NI victory could have a big value for us.


No harm though to climb up the FIFA table and be in a good position if FIFA decide suddenly to use them for something like the play offs (only if it supports their desires).


Football fan takes interest in being ranked above neighbours - SHOCK HORROR!!!!

The FIFA rankings count for World Cup qualifying seedings. They actually do matter. Apparently they won't be used for playoff seeding.

I have been following the Euro2012 seedings btw and it got a good discussion in the car back from Limerick the other night but it is unlikely we'll make 2nd seeds although 2 wins and a good playoff might do it. However at this stage there are too many variables. Frankly I can also take an interest in whatever I like but nice to see you take such an interest in my posts.

[Lenny82]

Well? What does the table look like?

[paul_oshea]

Friday.

[shakermaker1982]

Good work once again Edgar. FIFA should give you a job!

[geysir]

The FIFA rankings count for World Cup qualifying seedings. They actually do matter. Apparently they won't be used for playoff seeding.
Next WC draw is end of 2012, hardly an issue.
Euro seedings are of relevance.

Re NI, I would much prefer them to have beaten Slovakia than to have them losing so some Ireland fans can enjoy some spurious sense of superiority in a table of little relevance to real status. It would have been remarkable to have had both teams in the play offs.

[gspain]

Next WC draw is end of 2012, hardly an issue.
Euro seedings are of relevance.

Re NI, I would much prefer them to have beaten Slovakia than to have them losing so some Ireland fans can enjoy some spurious sense of superiority in a table of little relevance to real status. It would have been remarkable to have had both teams in the play offs.

The next World Cup draw is just over 2 years away in 2011.

[RogerMilla]

The next World Cup draw is just over 2 years away in 2011.


apologies but i am completely lost here ? how are the seedings for the next euros being decided? where do we stand ? will the results of our last two games in this set of qualifiers have a bearing ?

[gspain]

apologies but i am completely lost here ? how are the seedings for the next euros being decided? where do we stand ? will the results of our last two games in this set of qualifiers have a bearing ?

See here

http://www.football-rankings.info/2009/09/euro-2012-qualifying-draw-coefficients.html

It implies we'll be a 3rd seed. Now there may well be 7 or even 8 groups instead of 9.

Our last 2 games and 2 playoffs will count. It is early to speculate but a 3rd seeding looks likely.

The FIFA rankings were used last time for the world cup and will likely be used again.

[RogerMilla]

See here

http://www.football-rankings.info/2009/09/euro-2012-qualifying-draw-coefficients.html

It implies we'll be a 3rd seed. Now there may well be 7 or even 8 groups instead of 9.

Our last 2 games and 2 playoffs will count. It is early to speculate but a 3rd seeding looks likely.

The FIFA rankings were used last time for the world cup and will likely be used again.

were it to stay in the 9 team format edgar uses there, would a decent performance in the playoffs and remaining quualifers run us into second ?? bearing in mind scotland are stagnant now and hopefully bulgaria are too?

[Irish_Praha]

were it to stay in the 9 team format edgar uses there, would a decent performance in the playoffs and remaining quualifers run us into second ?? bearing in mind scotland are stagnant now and hopefully bulgaria are too?

Pity draw for the Euro 2012 qualifiers will be made before June 2010.
Will be strange to be third seeds in the qualifiers after we win the the world cup. :p

[swinfordfc]

Edgar - had you any luck with the ranking table?

[Edgar]

It's up now.

FIFA Ranking (http://www.football-rankings.info/2009/09/fifa-ranking-october-2009-preview-iii.html): October 2009 preview (III).

[Bungle]

Those rankings for Euro 2012 can't be right!If I remember, Bulgaria slipped into 2nd seeds just ahead of Ireland and Slovakia. Scotland have had a dismal campaign, as have Romania. I would imagine we have certainly overtaken Bulgaria and Scotland.

[swinfordfc]

It's up now.

FIFA Ranking (http://www.football-rankings.info/2009/09/fifa-ranking-october-2009-preview-iii.html): October 2009 preview (III).

Thanks

[gspain]

Those rankings for Euro 2012 can't be right!If I remember, Bulgaria slipped into 2nd seeds just ahead of Ireland and Slovakia. Scotland have had a dismal campaign, as have Romania. I would imagine we have certainly overtaken Bulgaria and Scotland.

They had a much better campaign than us last time out.

Weighting is 20% 2006 campaign and 40% each for this campaign and Euro2008.

Anyway we have overtaken Scotland but not Bulgaria.

http://www.football-rankings.info/2009/09/euro-2012-qualifying-draw-coefficients_14.html

[gspain]

Remember the World Cup seedings are done on the FIFA rankings. European Championship seedings are done based on past 3 tournaments.

[Scooby Doo]

When is the Euro draw made? Can we get seeded second by then?

[geysir]

When is the Euro draw made? Can we get seeded second by then?

Euro draw takes place early in 2010

We have 2 games left in the group Qualifiers and if we progress we have 2 play off games. If the play offs are considered as part of the equation then we have a chance.
Romania would be the target.
If we have 3 wins or 2 wins and 2 draws, I think we would overtake Romania who should get 1 win.

[Gather round]

The Euro draw is on 7 February.

If there are only seven groups as in Euro 08, then two of them will be outsize (ie 16 teams playing 14 matches). Sounds impractical to me.

Eight groups would likely mean that a couple of group runners-up (maybe from seven-team groups) would miss out.

Nine groups of five or six with the best runner up qualifying and the other eight into a play-off seems most likely?

[gspain]

Euro draw takes place early in 2010

We have 2 games left in the group Qualifiers and if we progress we have 2 play off games. If the play offs are considered as part of the equation then we have a chance.
Romania would be the target.
If we have 3 wins or 2 wins and 2 draws, I think we would overtake Romania who should get 1 win.

The playoffs do count.

Slovakia could draw with Slovenia to qualify and lose in Poland so they are a target too but it is a longshot.

[geysir]

The Euro draw is on 7 February.

If there are only seven groups as in Euro 08, then two of them will be outsize (ie 16 teams playing 14 matches). Sounds impractical to me.

Eight groups would likely mean that a couple of group runners-up (maybe from seven-team groups) would miss out.

Nine groups of five or six with the best runner up qualifying and the other eight into a play-off seems most likely?

Referring to this seeding table, the assumption is "UEFA will use a qualifying system with six groups of six teams and three of five teams"

[SuperDave]

Referring to this seeding table, the assumption is "UEFA will use a qualifying system with six groups of six teams and three of five teams"

oh good... that means there is one lucky runner up rather than one unlucky one.... 9*group winners, 1*best runner up 4*playoff winners