Robert Elliot G Gateshead b.1986

[DannyInvincible]

'Newcastle United goalkeeper Rob Elliot remains coy on international future': http://www.goal.com/en-ie/news/3942/ireland/2013/03/12/3818603/newcastle-united-goalkeeper-rob-elliot-remains-coy-on


The English-born goalkeeper represented Ireland at youth level but is unwilling to commit to either national team just yet and is intent on establishing himself at club level

Newcastle United goalkeeper Rob Elliot has insisted that it is 'far too early' for him to consider an international career but admitted that an international call-up would be 'an amazing achievement'.

The 26-year-old shot-stopper is eligible for both England and the Republic of Ireland and represented the Boys in Green at under-19 level, but he has revealed that he is unwilling to commit to one side as yet.

"It is a strange one, everyone keeps asking whether I am Irish or English," Elliot told the Irish Sun. "If I got an international call-up it'd be an amazing achievement.

"I don't want to be arrogant and say which country I would like to play for. I don't want to get too far ahead of myself at the moment."

He added: "To be honest, I think it is far too early to talk about stuff like that. I just want to make a name for myself with Newcastle in the Premier League and anything that comes from there would be fantastic."

[nigel-harps1954]

From www.translate.google.com:


I want to play for England. But I have to wait and see if I can get a call up or if Joe Hart gets injured. If that doesn't happen, I suppose I'll go play for Ireland.

[Colbert Report]

Here's what I think it means: I'm not good enough to play for England, and normally I'd go play for Ireland right now, but they are a total mess right now so I'll give it a year or two to see if things get any better before wasting my time with them and their crazy old senile manager.

[Charlie Darwin]

I really doubt he has a clue about Trap's mental state. What he's saying is, he's a recent debutante in the Premier League who has a fair-decent chance of becoming a first choice player at a decent club with European ambitions, meaning he has a very real shot at getting England caps. If Ireland came knocking, he would weigh up the pros and cons, but his preference would still be to represent his country of allegiance.

[Crosby87]

why the hell would it be "far to early" to consider an Int'l career at age 26? He's going to wait until he is 50?

[Charlie Darwin]

I assume he means it's far too early in his professional career. Goalkeepers mature much later than outfield players, so he's really only hitting the age where he should be challenging for first team football and he doesn't know whether he'll be good enough to play for England. Not that you have to be particularly good or anything, but the sheer numbers of contenders make it more unlikely than an Ireland cap.

[BonnieShels]

I really doubt he has a clue about Trap's mental state. What he's saying is, he's a recent debutante in the Premier League who has a fair-decent chance of becoming a first choice player at a decent club with European ambitions, meaning he has a very real shot at getting England caps. If Ireland came knocking, he would weigh up the pros and cons, but his preference would still be to represent his country of allegiance.

His country of allegiance?

[ArdeeBhoy]

Aye, surely you mean birth?

Anyway, if you believe some cretins this was exactly the stance taken by numerous Irish players in the past, even the likes of Houghton & McGrath, FFS.

[nigel-harps1954]

McGrath?

[Charlie Darwin]

His country of allegiance?
England. I am presuming of course.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Paul McGrath was born in Ealing.

And aren't we being a tad presumptuous that Elliot has 'allegiance' to anyone. Or did someone see him wearing 'Ingerland' colours or something?

[Charlie Darwin]

Well my entire post was being preumptuous. That was the point. His quote was so deliberately vague that all we're left with is presumptions.

[DannyInvincible]

Was it Ron Atkinson or someone thought they could convince McGrath to throw his lot in with England?

If Trap called Elliot up for a game in the near future, can we assume Elliot would decline the invite then?

[geysir]

I don't think McGrath even qualified for British nationality.

[Charlie Darwin]

I don't think he would have unless one of his parents had British nationality.

[geysir]

If he had applied for it before 1983 he could have gained british nationality but not after 1983, unless he bided his time and got it through residency.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Fair enough Chuck, but you wouldn't blame most youngsters declining Trap just now.

His record's not good in that respect.

[Charlie Darwin]

If he had applied for it before 1983 he could have gained british nationality but not after 1983, unless he bided his time and got it through residency.
From my understanding, the only way a child of non-British parents gains the right to nationality is if he has no entitlement to his parents' citizenship. Beyond that, I think your parent has to get nationality thus making you entitled. I might be wrong though.


Fair enough Chuck, but you wouldn't blame most youngsters declining Trap just now.

His record's not good in that respect.
I really don't think most footballers are aware of how Trap operates, especially those at a club with no other Irish players.

[geysir]

From my understanding, the only way a child of non-British parents gains the right to nationality is if he has no entitlement to his parents' citizenship. Beyond that, I think your parent has to get nationality thus making you entitled. I might be wrong though.

It was different <1983, then a child just had to be born in the stable in order to be called a horse, regardless of the parents' pedigree. We will await the definitive answer from Bonnie who's not usually so shy to have an input.

[DannyInvincible]

McGrath is "almost certainly" a British citizen by virtue of his birth in London pre-1983: http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/britishcitizenship/othernationality/Britishcitizenship/borninukorqualifyingterritory/


If you were born in the UK before 1 January 1983, you are almost certainly a British citizen. The only exception is if you were born to certain diplomatic staff of foreign missions who had diplomatic immunity.

If you were born in the UK on or after 1 January 1983, you are a British citizen if at the time of your birth one of your parents was:


a British citizen; or
legally settled in the UK.

[geysir]

Yes, but if he didn't apply for it before 1983, does the 1983 act not rule him out? or was he a dual national by virtue of his birth place, with automatic british and Irish citizenship, just like you Nordies?

[BonnieShels]

Yes, but if he didn't apply for it before 1983, does the 1983 act not rule him out? or was he a dual national by virtue of his birth place, with automatic british and Irish citizenship, just like you Nordies?

Sticks oar in...

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/britishcitizenship/othernationality/Britishcitizenship/borninukorqualifyingterritory/


If you were born in the UK before 1 January 1983

If you were born in the UK before 1 January 1983, you are almost certainly a British citizen. The only exception is if you were born to certain diplomatic staff of foreign missions who had diplomatic immunity.

McGrath is more than welcome to claim UK citizenship if he wishes.

There is no mention of a time-limit on an application for same.

[DannyInvincible]

He'd be a dual national (at least) by virtue of his birth in London pre-1983 to an Irish mother. I don't see why the 1983 act would rule him out; he'd already have been an automatic British citizen, officially-speaking. Whether he ever acknowledged the fact or applied for a British passport either before or after 1983 is of no consequence, as far as I understand anyway.

For what it's worth, I think he's also a Nigerian citizen, his father being from Nigeria, of course.

[paul_oshea]

Diplomatic immunity has been revoked.

[ArdeeBhoy]

I really don't think most footballers are aware of how Trap operates, especially those at a club with no other Irish players.

I'm sure there's a footballing grapevine. And it's not exactly a secret how he regards some of his players, even within the bubble of Brit 'meedja'...

[SkStu]

Id go a step further AB and say that any player who is being asked to decide about who they will represent or who is exploring their own options themselves would make it their business to find out what the manager of that international team is really like.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Well, maybe he has...

But given neither Trap or 'Woy' are liable to be in their jobs by the time his chance comes, this may be a somewhat flawed process.

Also you're crediting many players with far more insight than you might just be expecting...

[SkStu]

And there was me thinking we were agreeing for a change...

[ArdeeBhoy]

I think we are, I'm just taking the cynical amendment!

[Charlie Darwin]

Id go a step further AB and say that any player who is being asked to decide about who they will represent or who is exploring their own options themselves would make it their business to find out what the manager of that international team is really like.
Who says he's considering his options? And international managers change all the time, players don't make long-term career decisions based who the current manager is.

[SkStu]

1. No-one. I was referring generally to any player.
2. Players may make short-term career decisions based on who the manager is..

[ArdeeBhoy]

Aye, Stu is spot on here.

[Charlie Darwin]

Fair enough, I was referring to him though. Yeah, players make short-term decisions, but I think a player making a decision on his international future is going to say to himself "it might take me a couple of years to establish myself here, and the manager will probably be gone within a year, so I'd be mad to let it affect my decision." Then again some footballers are mad, but Elliot seems fairly pragmatic about not committing himself.

[gastric]

Trap tracking Elliot, but not Joe Lapira, big news!

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/magpies-stopper-elliot-on-trapattonis-radar-29141880.html

[paul_oshea]

Goalkeeping coach Alan Kelly put that to bed yesterday by saying that his counterpart at Newcastle, Andy Woodman, had been in touch to let him know of Elliot's availability.

I didn't comment at the time, but I read Elliots comments, simply as, he has just started playing regularly for a premiership side, and wanted to establish himself there, as it would be prudent - somewhat cheeky - to start flouting himself as an international keeper, but at the same time if he was called up he would be delighted. I think those comments above suggest that.

Deep down that could be as simple as knowing that, he is behind Forster and Hart wont be undone at England level, but I think what he said was very fair.

[zero]

i'm a newcastle fan and i'm not mad about elliot. he's only played a handful of games due to krul's injury and while he's done ok this season, he did not convince when he appeared last season.

on the plus side he's only 26 so improving and there is decent goalkeeping coaching at newcastle.

[elroy]

Couldnt find a thread on this lad. Has seen alot of time for Newcastle in recent months with Krul out injured.

Problem is for every good game he seems to have, he seems to be matched by a not so great performance. Sent off today in a big game for the toon after an excellent performance against West Ham the previous week after conceding six to Pool the week before that.

Although we have a number of options, we dont have any stand out goalkeeper who looks set to grasp the No 1 jersey for the foreseeable future. Elliott probably deserves some consideration. However, he is young in goalkeeping terms and is likely to be on the bench for alot of next season when Krul returns.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Erm.
http://foot.ie/threads/109854-Robert-Elliot/page3?highlight=Robert+Elliott

[ArdeeBhoy]

Someone could merge?
http://foot.ie/threads/179401-Rob-Elliott

[IsMiseSean]

Gets his first senior call up replacing Darren Randolph
Final 23 man squad (http://www.fai.ie/international/senior-men/103594-noel-king-names-final-23-man-squad-to-face-germany-and-kazakhstan.html)

[Charlie Darwin]

Only just notice that Elliot is playing today as Newcastle are 1-0 down to Southampton. Krul is out for three weeks and possibly the season after being injured in the massacre to Everton.

[tetsujin1979]

Missing his own stag do to play for the senior side: http://www.nufc.co.uk/articles/20140520/ireland-ells-stag-do-hell_2281670_3844871
His mates are still going, mind.

[DannyInvincible]

Fair play. Positive sounds coming out of him.


"We planned the stag do more than a year ago, before I had any involvement with Ireland.

"You don't think that far ahead but in football you never know what's around the corner.

"At least there's a good reason why I'm not going on my own stag do, and I will be able to look back at it and laugh.

"I've had quite a bit of stick from my mates but you can't put a price on international football.

"You have to make sacrifices and I would never jeopardise my chance of playing for my country."

[Olé Olé]

https://www.nufcblog.com/2013/09/11/newcastle-player-has-international-ambitions/

A few good insights in this article (even if it isn't recent); his father's family is from Cork, his family support England in cricket but Ireland in football and Darren Randolph is his best friend in football (having been at Charlton together).

[gastric]

https://www.nufcblog.com/2013/09/11/newcastle-player-has-international-ambitions/

A few good insights in this article (even if it isn't recent); his father's family is from Cork, his family support England in cricket but Ireland in football and Darren Randolph is his best friend in football (having been at Charlton together).

I think he is example to other older players who might want to represent us. While foregoing a stag party may not be the greatest sacrifice in the world, at least it is indicative of a player who seems genuinely interested in playing for us. It is in stark contrast to him who can't be bothered answering his phone to his national coach!

[tetsujin1979]

Elliot set for a run in the Newcastle first team, Kruhl retruns from international duty with elbow ligament damage: http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11678/9517850/premier-league-newcastle-blow-as-scans-reveal-tim-krul-elbow-ligament-damage-

<EDIT>

never mind, Newcastle hope Kruhl will play this weekend: http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11678/9518251/newcastle-optimistic-on-tim-krul-fitness-after-elbow-scan

[DannyInvincible]

Kept a clean sheet tonight and made a good stop to deny Stevan Jovetić as Newcastle knocked Manchester City out of the League Cup with a 2-0 away win.

[zero]

he made one good save. i still think he's a poor keeper - and i'm a newcastle follower.

[Charlie Darwin]

Rotten luck. Gets a run in the team owing to Krul's absence and he's picked up a thigh injury that will keep him out until mid-January at least.

[tetsujin1979]

Krul out injured again, this time for the whole season, so Elliot should see time in goal for Newcastle