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From the Independent (http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/eircom-league/clubs-meet-with-fai-to-decide-wage-sanctions-1556146.html):
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THE scheduled participants in next season's League of Ireland Premier Division will meet FAI officials at Abbotstown today seeking to agree sanctions on clubs who renege on wage payments.
However, a number of First Division sides are unhappy that they have been invited to a separate meeting with the FAI next Tuesday, rather than all 22 clubs meeting together on the issues -- fearing that the Premier sides will seek to protect their own status.
The teams currently set to be a part of the new 10-team top flight will have a private meeting this morning with the aim of having a clear message before facing the FAI's Internal Compliance Officer Padraig Smith in Abbotstown at 11.0.
Loophole
Central to their discussions will be the matter of sanctions after unhappiness was expressed over the governance of the league this term and a loophole in the rules whereby there is no set punishment for teams who do not meet their wage commit-ments throughout the season.
Some clubs believe that if an immediate penalty was in place, then clubs would be more prudent in drawing up their budget projections.
As it stands, the FAI will have to judge in January which clubs remained inside the 65pc Salary Cost Protocol.
Very strange that the FAI are meeting the clubs by division. I guess this reflects the fact that they don't want too much upheaval.
The last paragraph of the article had echoes of the IAG.....
Very strange that they know which clubs that are in which division
passinginterest
28/11/2008, 2:18 PM
Very strange that they know which clubs that are in which division
I think the end of the article clears that up. It's the clubs ranked 1-10 and 11-22 based on finish positions in the league. It's the clubs that would be in each division if none of them go bust or get refused a license.
Yesterday's circular from the FAI, seen by the Irish Independent, did not refer to the clubs in question by Premier or First Division terms and instead referred to them as ranked 1-10 and 11-22 respectively on sporting merit, which suggests they are bracing themselves for the possibility of promotion and relegation due to non-football issues over the winter.
placid casual
28/11/2008, 3:11 PM
they should get 21 chairs , have a game of musical chairs and the chairman left standing at the end, him and his club can fook off out of it.
repeat year on year until only 10 remain!
it could work.
couldnt do any worse that the keystone cops efforts by that retard fran gavin and his self serving cohorts
Réiteoir
28/11/2008, 3:17 PM
I'm predicting we'll start next season with one 22-team Division...
cheech
28/11/2008, 3:17 PM
Harps chairman John Campbell is at this meeting. Vincent Hoey is not.
cheech
28/11/2008, 3:18 PM
I'm predicting we'll start next season with one 22-team Division...
I'm predicting you could be right.
HarpoJoyce
28/11/2008, 3:22 PM
Harps chairman John Campbell is at this meeting. Vincent Hoey is not.
Campbell is taking over as Chairperson of Drogheda United FC?...........if that's true I think that's awful.
Harps chairman John Campbell is at this meeting. Vincent Hoey is not.
For the record John is currently our CPO, not our Chairman...
Longfordian
28/11/2008, 3:41 PM
Hoey's probably going to the A League meeting.
holidaysong
28/11/2008, 3:45 PM
Hoey's probably going to the A League meeting.
Had to laugh, sorry. :D:o
Sam_Heggy
28/11/2008, 4:15 PM
Harps chairman John Campbell is at this meeting. Vincent Hoey is not.
Sorry to burst the bubble there buddy but, John was at a CPO meeting in Abbotstown, we have a representitive heading down on Tuesday to the first division meeting.
dublinred
28/11/2008, 4:22 PM
I'm predicting we'll start next season with one 22-team Division...
Would be class, 21 different away trips to choose from.
Magicme
30/11/2008, 10:44 AM
Harps chairman John Campbell is at this meeting. Vincent Hoey is not.
John was in same room as me at the CPO meeting across the corridor from the other meeting.
Jersey Cow
01/12/2008, 9:04 AM
Would it be that big a shock to see an 18 team one League only seen as Cobh are reportedly looking to return to the MSL, Kildare are reportedly happy with their recent elimation from the First Divison, Merve not expected to take up their place and a couple of other clubs in dire financial straits....:(
christo
01/12/2008, 9:07 AM
Kildare are reportedly happy with their recent elimation from the First Divison
Where did you hear these reports!!??
As it stands, the FAI will have to judge in January which clubs remained inside the 65pc Salary Cost Protocol.
Bloody Indo and it's stupid typo's. Surely that should read "the FAI will have to fudge in January which clubs remained inside the 65pc Salary Cost Protocol.
Sam_Heggy
01/12/2008, 10:38 AM
Its a real case of sitting in limbo for a few clubs at present, will Drogheda be in the Premier / First Division / even existance next season?, will Harps or Shelburne be promoted? will the league be "all in one" next season?, how many other clubs are in trouble financially?
At the minute Harps and Shels are preparing for the first Division but one of them are to be promoted when will they be told?
I doubt Drogheda are planning anything other than fundraisers to curb some of their debts.
And who said this league has no drama?
At the minute Harps and Shels are preparing for the first Division but one of them are to be promoted when will they be told?
'Traditionally' around the start of February.
don ramo
01/12/2008, 11:06 AM
seen as Cobh are reportedly looking to return to the MSL
jesus you take our board was to seriously
20-22 teams, one league, now off ya go,
football leagues have been around over 100 years, you think theyd have it sorted by now, how stupid are they
Sam_Heggy
01/12/2008, 11:09 AM
'Traditionally' around the start of February.
Yeah well I suppose ye were lucky to be told so soon, it would be comical if it wasn't so serious.
I know that sounds stupid but im sticking by my statement mad and all as I may look. :confused:
cheech
01/12/2008, 11:30 AM
Ask Derry City Steve. He seems to have all the answers. He wrote a book one time you know.
Sam_Heggy
01/12/2008, 12:34 PM
Ask Derry City Steve. He seems to have all the answers. He wrote a book one time you know.
Ah jeez man, children read this forum.
passerrby
01/12/2008, 12:51 PM
Ah jeez man, children read this forum.
poor things
poor things
I heard that foot.ie is used in schools as a cautionary tale. Work hard or you'll end up like these poor deluded fools....
Sam_Heggy
01/12/2008, 1:01 PM
I heard that foot.ie is used in schools as a cautionary tale. Work hard or you'll end up like these poor deluded fools....
Who are you calling deluded, im more in the clinically insane catagory, I thought you were in that catagory too.
Ah jeez man, children read this forum.
I thought only children read this forum
gufct
02/12/2008, 10:09 AM
Sun Today has it that Drogheda,Cork,Cobh, Athlone,Harps & Bray have
outstanding wages due to their Players as of the 30th November.
I thought Waterford were also in trouble but no mention of them.
As far as I know Harps had the players sorted, or at the very least an agreement in place before the deadline.
Dodge
02/12/2008, 10:24 AM
PFAI said that 4 clubs have missed the deadline. Cork have admitted to being one (which given the recent cash injection from the Kevin Doyle clause sell-off is a bit worrying for them)
GalwayRed
02/12/2008, 10:52 AM
Sun Today has it that Drogheda,Cork,Cobh, Athlone,Harps & Bray have
outstanding wages due to their Players as of the 30th November.
I thought Waterford were also in trouble but no mention of them.
Theyve been adding more clubs to their list so. on friday the sun were reporting that athlone town, Drogheda United, Cobh Ramblers and Cork City all had outstanding wages due. They didnt mention Harps or Bray though.
Mental Man
02/12/2008, 1:07 PM
Sun Today has it that Drogheda,Cork,Cobh, Athlone,Harps & Bray have
outstanding wages due to their Players as of the 30th November.
I thought Waterford were also in trouble but no mention of them.
All of the salaries that were due to players have ben paid in full so we have no outstanding or bad debts, word out here this morning that Paul Osam was interviewed as new manager :eek:
Longfordian
02/12/2008, 3:06 PM
Did anybody read the rule that gves 30th November as the deadline?. Typically nonsenical, apparently the clubs must have no overdue payments to Revenue or players by 30th November unless they have it paid in full, or an agreement in place to pay at an agreed time, by 31st January. In effect you're in breach of the rule if you don't have the money paid by 30th November unless you pay it by 31st January?!. The rule is quoted in the Indo
"The licence applicant must prove that... it has no payables overdue towards employees or Revenue/social/tax authorities as at November 30 of the year preceding the season to be licensed unless by the following January 31 they have been fully settled, deferred by mutual agreement with the creditor or are subject to a not obviously unsound dispute submitted to a competent authority."
"...deferred by mutual agreement..."
I think the general gist of it is that players etc had to be spoken to and an agreement put in place by the end of November ... with all outstanding wages etc to be fully paid up by end of Jan
Sniffer
02/12/2008, 3:24 PM
The 'just one league' idea is a complete non-runner; gap between top and bottom is waaay too big, even allowing for next season's cutbacks.
Longfordian
02/12/2008, 3:26 PM
That may be the intention Ash but the wording of the rule means you can do nothing until 31st January and still you won't be breaking the rule. It's badly phrased.
The Revenue are going to be very tough to deal with after the Cork & Drogs examinerships. The 31st January deadline will catch more clubs in relation to non payment of PAYE/PRSI.
OneRedArmy
02/12/2008, 3:42 PM
Are Cork's outstanding wages all post-exit from Examinership and after associated paycuts?
Worrying if so.
Longfordian
02/12/2008, 3:56 PM
I think it's the back money the players are owed for the period they were in examinership and on 30%-50% wages.
Réiteoir
02/12/2008, 6:25 PM
The 'just one league' idea is a complete non-runner; gap between top and bottom is waaay too big, even allowing for next season's cutbacks.
It'll look even more sillier if the FAI demote (for arguments case) - 5 or 6 out of the existing 10 Premier sides - find out that they've only got 2 or 3 clubs that could take their place AND gain a Premier Licence.
How stupid would it look if we ended up with a 6 team Premier Division next season?
The money we owe in wages is the backpay from when the players took the paycut. The players have been payed in full since Coughlan got control
CSFShels
02/12/2008, 7:24 PM
If we don't get promoted now I'll go crazy.
OneRedArmy
02/12/2008, 7:53 PM
The money we owe in wages is the backpay from when the players took the paycut. The players have been payed in full since Coughlan got controlThen they aren't actually owed the money as it was expunged as part of exiting examinership (surely?) along with whatever the other creditors decided to accept :confused:
If we don't get promoted now I'll go crazy.Yeah, because Shels are a beacon of financial probity for the rest of the League to aim at...
Then they aren't actually owed the money as it was expunged as part of exiting examinership (surely?) along with whatever the other creditors decided to accept :confused:
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The players payment was deferred, they were not part of the group of creditors that were paid 7.5% had they been we would be automatically excluded from a premier license afaik.
OneRedArmy
02/12/2008, 8:09 PM
The players payment was deferred, they were not part of the group of creditors that were paid 7.5% had they been we would be automatically excluded from a premier license afaik.Ah right.
So they have taken pay cuts going forward but are still owed backpay at their old wage rate?
Ah right.
So they have taken pay cuts going forward but are still owed backpay at their old wage rate?
Yeah.
So far Mathews, Gamble and Behan have taken cuts.
Only 5(i think) more players under contract carrying on from last year. Hoggy signed a new deal today, Id imagine that involved a pay cut too
CSFShels
02/12/2008, 8:37 PM
Yeah, because Shels are a beacon of financial probity for the rest of the League to aim at...
We're paying our players and complying with all licencing requirements to my belief. We're also the highest placed First Division side that haven't already been promoted. Harps and Cobh certainly don't look like being given the spot with their wage problems being as bad as if not worse than the teams in question (except Drogs). We won't be promoted but we should be if the FAI were to have the backbone to follow their own rules.
Sam_Heggy
02/12/2008, 8:47 PM
We're paying our players and complying with all licencing requirements to my belief. We're also the highest placed First Division side that haven't already been promoted. Harps and Cobh certainly don't look like being given the spot with their wage problems being as bad as if not worse than the teams in question (except Drogs). We won't be promoted but we should be if the FAI were to have the backbone to follow their own rules.
Where are you getting your info about Harps?
Players are all sorted and we have complied with the Licencing requirements should we be invited into the Premier Divison so don't worry buddy, unless 2 clubs go bust / get relegated you won't have to worry about the Premier division for another while.
All in all no need to "go crazy" ;)
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