St Pats vs Cork City

[finnpark]

0-0 coming up to half time.

Cork have a good record there and St Pats have nothing to play for.

However, Cork may have celebrated winning the Setanta Cup and have a poor manager and tactics etc.

Hope Cork win, would prefer to see Cork in Europe over Sligo even with Mattews record in Europe which is dire :D because he is a dire manager in general :D

[sligoman]

Cork playing much better according to match updates, still, a draw or victory for Pat's will do me;)

[A face]

Here ya go (http://corkcityfc.ie/views/matchday.php)

[adamd164]

1-0 to us! Danny Murphy.

[thischarmingman]

1-0 to us! Danny Murphy.

For the sake of the league, I'm glad.

[sligoman]

Hopefully Uefa will see sense and not allow Cork into Europe anyway, rules are rules.

[A face]

Get in there .... happy days, now to kick on and get another


Hopefully Uefa will see sense and not allow Cork into Europe anyway, rules are rules.

Its up to the FAI isn't, the FAI make the decision for UEFA. Happy days !! :D

[Rambling Along]

Bye Bye John McDonnell!
I hope for the sake of football Pete Mahon gets the job, if he got hold of a team like Pats they'd be unstoppable.

[passinginterest]

Bye Bye John McDonnell!
I hope for the sake of football Pete Mahon gets the job, if he got hold of a team like Pats they'd be unstoppable.

Seriously? He had a decent bunch of players at UCD and they couldn't win a game to save their lives. Wasn't he a disaster at Bohs too, signing half the New Zealand team and the like?

I'm torn on whether Cork should get into Europe, I think it's a UEFA directive that bans team from Europe after administration/examinership, so I doubt the FAI can overrule, I have more sympathy for Cork than for Drogheda, but both were guilty of reckless spending regardless of the current situation. If Sligo go into Europe I think they'll do fine, then again they've had money issues too.

[sligoman]

If Sligo go into Europe I think they'll do fine, then again they've had money issues too.Still not spending crazy money like Cork. We've paid our players every week, no pay cuts.

[adamd164]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/thecorner/fai.jpg

[passinginterest]

Still not spending crazy money like Cork. We've paid our players every week, no pay cuts.

I know that, still not great to have to appeal to fans to save the club the way it was done (even if it does seem to have been a bit of scaremongering).

[A face]

Pats have five yellow cards and they have tried to assassinate Kearney as well from what i'm hearing.

[Rambling Along]

they have tried to assassinate Kearney as well from what i'm hearing.

.....wit leftover fireworks from the Bohs game???:D

[adamd164]

FT St Pats 0-1 Cork City.

:D

[finnpark]

good win :)

[Red&White Rover]

****e...Just means we'll have to beat Cork now.

No baaaawder.

[RedRebel32]

Good win for Cork.Match down in their place is extremely important now,pretty much have to gain 3 points.If it comes to cork taking 4th spot and the FAI having a choice between us and them i think we all know which way that is going to go.well done cork all the same,should be a great game down in turners cross

[thischarmingman]

Pats...have tried to assassinate Kearney as well from what i'm hearing.

:eek:

From a grassy Noel Haverty?

[sligoman]

For the sake of the leagueIn what way?

[superfrank]

The league will learn nothing if Cork aren't banned from Europe next year, imo. UEFA have set out this rule and the FAI are really doing themselves a (further) disservice if they are going to support a club who broke the European association's rules, as well as their own.

[adamd164]

Setanta Cup win and European qualification. That's the job, I'll take that any day of the week!

Successful season. Cheers lads. :)

[Sheridan]

Seriously? He had a decent bunch of players at UCD and they couldn't win a game to save their lives. Wasn't he a disaster at Bohs too, signing half the New Zealand team and the like?
That was Joe McGrath.

Mahon would be a disaster at a big club though. Moany old boll0cks too.

[passinginterest]

That was Joe McGrath.

Mahon would be a disaster at a big club though. Moany old boll0cks too.

Ah my mistake. I think he tries to get his teams playing decent football but don't think he'd hack it at the top sides.

[corkboy360]

If we get fourth and are not allowed play in europe I think our players still deserve a lot of respect if you look at how far they got in every competition.

[MariborKev]

The league will learn nothing if Cork aren't banned from Europe next year, imo. UEFA have set out this rule and the FAI are really doing themselves a (further) disservice if they are going to support a club who broke the European association's rules, as well as their own.

Has anyone got the exact UEFA text relating to this?

[Rovers Maniac]

Nobody seems to know anything, not even the FAI. I read some of that article but it 254 pages long, 3/4 is about financial items and a word the crops up a lot is 'local'.

[A face]

Nobody seems to know anything, not even the FAI. I read some of that article but it 254 pages long, 3/4 is about financial items and a word the crops up a lot is 'local'.

Wouldn't be easier to just allow city compete .... to make life easy like ;)

[Rovers Maniac]

Wouldn't be easier to just allow city compete .... to make life easy like ;)

Very good A face but i am refusing to bite you will need to fish elsewhere:D:D

[celticV3]

If we get fourth and are not allowed play in europe I think our players still deserve a lot of respect if you look at how far they got in every competition.

To be fair think that is only too true. Didn't think cork would be in fourth or even fifth at the start of the season. So winning the setanta cup and finishing 5th isn't bad:D

[MariborKev]

Wouldn't be easier to just allow city compete .... to make life easy like ;)

Paying the players would have made life easy too;)

[A face]

Paying the players would have made life easy too;)

Hey i agree, anything for an easy life like ;)

[soccerc]

Paying the players would have made life easy too;)

Can afford it after tonight, well 50% of it when they cash the cheque

http://photos2.pix.ie/71/4A/714AA7072E8A4DC7B4E85D889445B1DB-800.jpg (http://pix.ie/soccerc/741580):(

More photos from the game here (http://pix.ie/soccerc/album/329674)

[A face]

Can afford it after tonight, well 50% of it when they cash the cheque

Happy days !! ;)

[DRDoc]

The fai have confirmed that as long at Cork finish in fourth place they will be permitted to play in europe next season - Matthews confirmed this tonight also

[Rovers Maniac]

The fai have confirmed that as long at Cork finish in fourth place they will be permitted to play in europe next season - Matthews confirmed this tonight also

Sorry for asking this question but does that mean they will get a liscence from UEFA?

Is being permitted to play in Europe by your national association and getting a UEFA liscense the same thing?

UEFA seem to be very strict on the issue as CSKA Sofia were banned from Europe, and would be very surprised if the FAI challenged UEFA's rules.

http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/clubfootball/news/newsid=791258.html

[DRDoc]

but does that mean they will get a liscence from UEFA?


Matthews seemed to suggest that is was ultimately fai that granted

[pete]

Is being permitted to play in Europe by your national association and getting a UEFA liscense the same thing?

Licence is issued by FAI licencing committee not Uefa as countries have different rules.

Shocking attendance at the game, must have been well under 1000 as Pats side very quiet. Pats looked disinterested and can't see them winning a game again this season.

[michaelguineys]

What a great end to a disastrous season for us.
I have never been so proud of the team as I have the past few weeks and months.
Stuck together, gave their all week in week out, won the Setanta Cup last Saturday night and are now on the brink of European qualification.
A fantastic feat when you consider they have been only getting 30% of their wages, the uncertainty that was surrounding the club, and of the course the departures of Mooney, O'Flynn and that other langer.

Well done lads, we won't forget it, let's hope we can push on now next season!

[Hibs4Ever]

Dunno why people think it will be better for the league if Cork get into Europe. They were an embarrassment in Europe this year

[BulmersKid]

Sorry for asking this question but does that mean they will get a liscence from UEFA?

Is being permitted to play in Europe by your national association and getting a UEFA liscense the same thing?

UEFA seem to be very strict on the issue as CSKA Sofia were banned from Europe, and would be very surprised if the FAI challenged UEFA's rules.

http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/clubfootball/news/newsid=791258.html

If you read though the licensing manual, there doen not seem to mention anything about a 3 year ban from competitions.

It is up to the local association to issue the Licenes for the coming season, and Uefa do spots checks, and at the moment seem very happy with the Licenses are issued.

They are very strict on fincial issues. But no one seems to know what the story is with a club that has come out of examinship/Administration.

CSKA SOfia owed money to creditors and players.

At the moment Cork should have no issues getting a UEFA License. They are debt free. Players are all paid upto date. They have decent facilities, a youth policy, they basically tick all the boxes in the manual.

The fact that they got into trouble, turned around and sorted it out and got their house in order, in a fair world, shouldn't really count against them.

[Rovers Maniac]

If you read though the licensing manual, there doen not seem to mention anything about a 3 year ban from competitions.

It is up to the local association to issue the Licenes for the coming season, and Uefa do spots checks, and at the moment seem very happy with the Licenses are issued.

They are very strict on fincial issues. But no one seems to know what the story is with a club that has come out of examinship/Administration.

CSKA SOfia owed money to creditors and players.

At the moment Cork should have no issues getting a UEFA License. They are debt free. Players are all paid upto date. They have decent facilities, a youth policy, they basically tick all the boxes in the manual.

The fact that they got into trouble, turned around and sorted it out and got their house in order, in a fair world, shouldn't really count against them.

Coleraine were banned for going into Administration which is the same as Examinership. The IFA appealled to UEFA on behalf of Coleraine but no joy.


"It is with regret that the Management Committee of Coleraine FC announces that the club will not be able to play in the UEFA Cup in 2008 / 2009 season. This is due to a failure to meet specific UEFA requirements in respect of the UEFA Licence application and is as a result of the clubs period of Administration falling within a 3 year criteria period prior to application.

The Management Committee wish to thank the IFA who fought our case and appealed on our behalf to UEFA but unfortunately this was to no avail.

However, if invited and subject to receiving a Domestic Licence, the club will be able to play in the Setanta Cup."


I will try and get you tickets for one of our home legs :)

[Dodge]

It is up to the local association to issue the Licenes for the coming season, and Uefa do spots checks, and at the moment seem very happy with the Licenses are issued.


There's a seperate license application that must be submitted to UEFA

Here's the 2005 version http://www.uefa.com/newsfiles/358508.pdf

There might be a more up to date version on UEFA's site. its very, very detailed

[Dodge]

Pats have five yellow cards and they have tried to assassinate Kearney as well from what i'm hearing.

LOL @ that. Kearney wasn't hit with one tackle. Went donw and won about 6 frees though.

[BulmersKid]

There's a seperate license application that must be submitted to UEFA

Here's the 2005 version http://www.uefa.com/newsfiles/358508.pdf

There might be a more up to date version on UEFA's site. its very, very detailed


http://www.uefa.com/uefa/keytopics/kind=128/newsid=510017.html


.......
as a granted licence by the national association, in its capacity as the licensor, proves that a certain quality level is achieved.

http://www.uefa.com/uefa/keytopics/kind=128/newsid=492201.html


Spot-check outcome
UEFA said on Tuesday that its sports legal and club licencing unit had informed UEFA's member associations about the outcome of the spot-checks - compliance audits - introduced last season. The checks ensure that the licences required to take part in European competitions are being correctly issued by the licensors, mainly national associations, in compliance with the various licencing requirements involving sporting, personnel and administrative, legal and financial criteria.

I'll say no more on that ;)

Basically, if you believe the blurb from the FAI, any club that gets a Premier Club Licence should also get a Uefa Lience since the FAIs licencing manula is based on Uefa's

[BulmersKid]

UEFA Licence application and is as a result of the clubs period of Administration falling within a 3 year criteria period prior to application.

As of yet, I have not been able to find anything on this 3 year rule. And I have been looking.

Maybe this might be with the IFAs rules which maybe different slighty to the FAIs, but there is nothing in the Licencing manual that requires a 3 year ban for teams that enter administration. But maybe I've overlooked something.

There might be other reasons that weren't reported. I don't know.

If anyone can shed some light on this please do.

[Dodge]

The original UEFA competitions club lincensing agreement mentioned that clubs who had become bankrupt, or entered administration were precluded from applying for european license for 3 years.

There's simply no way that UEFA would allow the FAi to remove this

[Schumi]

Wouldn't be easier to just allow city compete .... to make life easy like ;)For the Finnish team they get drawn against, you mean?


Pats looked disinterested and can't see them winning a game again this season.They'll win one anyway I'd say. :(

[pete]

If Uefa mention Administration that could mean very different things in the member countries. technically we did not go bankrupt as Cork City Investments still exists. Did Coleraine go bankrupt & emerge as a "new company" ?

:confused:

[Rovers Maniac]

If Uefa mention Administration that could mean very different things in the member countries. technically we did not go bankrupt as Cork City Investments still exists. Did Coleraine go bankrupt & emerge as a "new company" ?

:confused:

They ruling is for stepping into administration.

Examinership is known as administration in the UK. I think you lads are buggered being honest and i would expect the FAI to sppurt and appeal for you like the IFA seem to have done but rules are rules without trying to be sarky.

http://www.mop.ie/dynamic/files/Insolvency%20Group%20Examinership%20preserving%20t he%20core%20value%20of%20a%20business%20JMOC%20Fin ance.com%20Online%20March%202008.pdf