The "Ultra" Culture

[Rambling Along]

I'm sick of it!:mad:

Unfortunately younger fans associate it with fighting and violence and this is what i'm sick of because when hearing the younger fans speaking about games the first question is always "Do Cobh have ultras?"

For example this was just posted on the Cobh forum:

Sorry but i just do not like UCD not a lot of fans no ultras no nothing just like cobh 2 games you just do not get excited for like.:rolleyes:

Why the hell does it matter whether or not a team have "ultras"? Ultras don't make a team and unfortunately some people think they do which just proves how times have changed:(
Ultras are a group of fans but in many cases there are another 1,000-1,500 people in the ground backing the team.

This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9ImCgiTV6I) is a great example to what is good about ultra culture but this is done every week in Eircom League grounds around the country all be it not as well as the Derry fans but it baffles me as to why the word "ultra" has to be used!

[sligoman]

Agree. Our group 'Forza Rovers' call themselves ultras. I personally don't though as I just don't like that word or am mad into the 'ultra mentality'. I agree with the stuff that's done though, displays and that and backing the team for 90minutes. I just call us vocal supporters, not ultras like others in the group does.

[brianw82]

To me, it seems like people watched Ardal O'Hanlon's "Leagues Apart", specifically the episode on the Rome Derby and thought, "I'll have a piece of that!" and called their supporters groups "X Ultras"
Ultra groups have unfortunately, mostly due to Italians, become associated with hooliganism. Some young'uns here seem to believe this is an essential part of it. It just seems to me like we're trying to copy/import something from the European game.

[Inside Man]

Ultras bring noise colour etc to league of Ireland. Without them the league would be a much duller place I tell you. Who wants to go to a quiet showgrounds on a saterday night to watch poor football. Its the atmosphere thats part of the biggest experience's in League of Ireland. And its this aspect we should be looking to promote. I certainly do not enjoy going to the belfield and I'm sure you don't like it as well.

[jebus]

There's no such thing as Ultras in Ireland, they'd be laughed out of it if they had a conversation with their Italian counterparts

[pineapple stu]

Agree; most people who call themselves ultras in Ireland don't know the meaning of the word.

[pineapple stu]

Another example of someone who doesn't really know what an ultra is.

[dcfcsteve]

Ultras bring noise colour etc to league of Ireland. Without them the league would be a much duller place I tell you. Who wants to go to a quiet showgrounds on a saterday night to watch poor football. Its the atmosphere thats part of the biggest experience's in League of Ireland. And its this aspect we should be looking to promote. I certainly do not enjoy going to the belfield and I'm sure you don't like it as well.

You have to differentiate between the ultra concept and name.

Hooliganism apart - the concept behind ultras is a positive thing for football, in terms of the atmosphere and passion they bring to the game.

The word/name 'ultra' has, however, been irreparably tainted (at least for the foreseeable future), and is broadly considered as short-hand for 'hooligan' nowadays.

Irish supporter groups would therefore be wise to embrace the ultras concept, but avoid the name like the plague. The world is full of names - no need for supporter groups to choose one that lazy journalists and those who don't understand our footballing culture will mis-interpret at our cost.

[Bohemian1890]

There's no such thing as Ultras in Ireland, they'd be laughed out of it if they had a conversation with their Italian counterparts

The Oirish will find out what am Ultra is when this happenes,they can come back and tell us:)

Italian will ask who do you support??

Oirish replay Man United,Italians laugh.
Italian no who do you really follow??

Oirish reply,United,seeing them on Sky Sports a whole bunch of times.

Italians stop laughing and beat up the Oirish.

This may even happen:o

[jebus]

Why ?

Because groups like the Rovers Ultras are a joke to be fair. I didn't see much from ye when Rovers were in the 1st division

[Monkfish]

Because groups like the Rovers Ultras are a joke to be fair. I didn't see much from ye when Rovers were in the 1st division

Surely you dont suggest you have to 'turn it on' for every game? :)

I think supporters groups/Ultras or whatever are good for the game here but theres no comparison to groups in Italy/Germany/Poland/Russia (even in the lower leagues) Rovers/Derry/Bohs do top the list here though, so credit to them.

[Stevo Da Gull]

To me, it seems like people watched Ardal O'Hanlon's "Leagues Apart", specifically the episode on the Rome Derby and thought, "I'll have a piece of that!" and called their supporters groups "X Ultras"
Ultra groups have unfortunately, mostly due to Italians, become associated with hooliganism. Some young'uns here seem to believe this is an essential part of it. It just seems to me like we're trying to copy/import something from the European game.

Unfortunately so.

I was very happy to see Hibs in Scotland set up their ultra group recently. They are a club who were associated with a violent hooligan element in the past. The real supporters have now gone ahead and set up an Ultra-Group (Capital Greens) who's aim is to bring colour and noise to the matches. IMO they are doing the ultra label a world of good, unfortunately this example wont be as noticed as the Italian ultras but they do have the backing Hibernian football club.. so perhaps there is hope for the name to be saved.
I suppose it's a question of avoiding the name at all costs like dcfcsteve said or fighting for a principle. I'll assume my usual position on the fence if that's ok.

[Sandro]

http://i33.tinypic.com/11u98jp.jpg

Would you like to see games like that?

This is football in the land of ultras. Heroes? Criminals? Warriors? I don't know and I couldn't careless. All I want is to see the beautiful game back. I wrote a book about the football stadia in Italy (www.stadiditalia.forumup.com) but I don't go to games at all. The ultras planet can be fantastic and make a match worth attending, but we've reached the point of no return. A recent essay showed that Italian football grounds are the oldest (average: 67 years, only British are older but most were refurbished) and emptiest in Europe (average 53%, Premiership 92%, in Germany 84%, in France 80%, in Spain76%). The serie A current average attendance is about 20.000, in 1984-85 was 40.000. To claim hosting the Euro 2012 was a joke. Everybody has an explanation for that at their own convenience. Beware the media, I don't trust them at all, they are all owned by lobbies and political parties, paid with government funds and they need monsters everyday to hide the dramatic truth (15% of Italian population is considered poors by EU standards despite their apparently high quality of life). The pseudo troubles in Sofia are just the last example.

The ultras movement is actually a crazy hidden world, hard to understand and explain. A mix of freedom, honour, violence, values, fascism, community, mafia, lobby, truth, fanatism and God knows what else. Their strongest point is to escape any definition

I failed to understand, all I can do is to translate this

“We are ultras (or ultrà). We are not people like the others. We don’t follow the crowd, we refuse to conform. We are ready to fight wrong truth, oppression and contemptuous sights. We will never betray what we believe in and we will keep following our line for ever . Without anybody’s help, without anyone saying “good, well done”. Alway like this, wearing our scarf around Italy, following our dream. We are not heroes but we love what we are and we want to defend it. And you, even if you don’t care about us, listen to our words: if you feel they push you around, if you think you can play you part in making this world pure, then follow us. Do the same, be ultras, no matter if you are (politically) black, red or purple. We can’tell your life will be better, no we can’t. But we know it will be real life”

[GenerationXI]

The use of the word 'Ultras' in the Irish context was surely supposed to be tongue-in-cheek. There's no real hatred as such in our league - with the exception of the odd few wannabies dragging around behind some of the Dublin clubs.

We all come on here, have a good laugh, air our various beefs, go to our games, slag each other off then come on here again and congratulate each other on a good night.

To be honest as much as I dislike teams in the league there's never any chance of my being violent towards a fellow Eircom league fan. In theory, I suppose, if Limerick were to play a friendly against a Liverpool or United u16s b-reserves-team and a load of local lads came down in their red shirts I'd be ****y as hell . . .

Look, the original point was that for younger kids it seems to be all the rage to get excited about 'kickin heads in' at games. But realistically, in this league, that's not happening. We've adopted, rather whimsically, the word 'Ultra' as a way of differentiating the fairweather fan from those who drag themselves to ever cesspit and beautiful second-training-pitch in the country and why not. It's litterally as arbitrary as denoting the more dedicated fans as every team's 'rat-pack.'

[Sandro]

Actually there's a lot of links and coperation between ultras of different clubs. They seem to share their hatred against the establishment most of all. The "pure" troubles between supporters have definitly decreased

[Rovers1]

I just call us vocal supporters, not ultras like others in the group does.


excuse me???:eek: US!!!???
havent seen you sing at a game in yonks, except Derry ;)

I HATE the word ultra, it belongs somewhere near Italy imo, i would call FR a supprters gruop more than ultras.

[Joey Killester]

Where to start. :o

Its gas the way certain people seem to have a phobia of the word "ultra" and give advice not to use it. Granted its not needed in the name of the group just for the sake of it (like Famous 45 Ultras, which, appart from just not sounding right off the tounge, is a ridiculous name), but Im my opinion, and you may scorn me, a true ultra group would laugh at this advice.

Id agree that alot of the groups who call themselves ultras here arn't ultras, and I honestly think there is a completly different mentality in Dublin and maybe Cork to most other places in the country. Its ridiculous seeing a group of 14-16 year olds all wearing club jerseys calling themselves ultras. Id say "Tifo group" would be a more accurate description.

I dont see the Limerick chap's point about an Irish ultra being laughed at by Italians. Members of our group have connections with ultras from Italy, Germany and elsewhere, and I know SRFC Ultras as a whole have links with groups from other countries.

And to GenerationXI, sorry if it offends you but I believe there most certainly is hatred between certain teams in the league and Im glad, Id rather that then a Disney love in, although I know thats not what you are saying.

Go ahead and roll you eyes at me, as I have said before this is not a good place for discussing ultras because there will always be people who hate the term and the culture and vice versa. Oh and theres a difference between schooligans and ultras, most groups here arnt violent at all.

[The Rebel Ram]

Because groups like the Rovers Ultras are a joke to be fair. I didn't see much from ye when Rovers were in the 1st division

In all fairness I saw them the night they won the first div in Cobh.
There was about 50 of them came pouring out of the bar on 90min and asked me did they win. As soon as they found out they did they ran onto the pitch hugging and kissing the players.:D

Not a joke BTW!

[GuisaSaigon]

I'm all for fans trying to add colour and atmosphere to the league but I can't understand why they feel they need to label themselves.
People gathered together to cheer on their team and had flags and banners at LOI games long before they called themselves "Ultras".
Sligo fans had a great display of flags and banners before our game in the Showgrounds. But the "Forza" Rovers group name and "Ultras" tag are cringeworthy.

[Rovers1]

Sligo fans had a great display of flags and banners before our game in the Showgronds.

for anyone who's interested:

http://sligorovers.proboards53.com/index.cgi?board=talk&action=display&thread=433&page=1

(the picture at the bottom)

[sligoman]

Ultras bring noise colour etc to league of Ireland. Without them the league would be a much duller place I tell you. Who wants to go to a quiet showgrounds on a saterday night to watch poor football. Its the atmosphere thats part of the biggest experience's in League of Ireland.Ultra's don't do that, the fans do. There was noise and flags etc. in the Showgrounds before Forza Rovers were set up. It's just a group of people that like to create a better atmosphere, not ultras.

And as for the 'to watch poor football' comment, maybe you're going to the wrong Showgrounds?

excuse me??? US!!!???
havent seen you sing at a game in yonks, except Derry ;)Because you're usually too drunk to notice;)

it belongs somewhere near Italy imoJust near Italy? So, San Marino or the Vatican city is it?:p

[KevB76]

“We are ultras (or ultrà). We are not people like the others. We don’t follow the crowd, we refuse to conform. We are ready to fight wrong truth, oppression and contemptuous sights. We will never betray what we believe in and we will keep following our line for ever . Without anybody’s help, without anyone saying “good, well done”. Alway like this, wearing our scarf around Italy, following our dream. We are not heroes but we love what we are and we want to defend it. And you, even if you don’t care about us, listen to our words: if you feel they push you around, if you think you can play you part in making this world pure, then follow us. Do the same, be ultras, no matter if you are (politically) black, red or purple. We can’tell your life will be better, no we can’t. But we know it will be real life”

What a load of w@nk

[back of the net]

“We are ultras (or ultrà). We are not people like the others. We don’t follow the crowd, we refuse to conform. We are ready to fight wrong truth, oppression and contemptuous sights. We will never betray what we believe in and we will keep following our line for ever . Without anybody’s help, without anyone saying “good, well done”. Alway like this, wearing our scarf around Italy, following our dream. We are not heroes but we love what we are and we want to defend it. And you, even if you don’t care about us, listen to our words: if you feel they push you around, if you think you can play you part in making this world pure, then follow us. Do the same, be ultras, no matter if you are (politically) black, red or purple. We can’tell your life will be better, no we can’t. But we know it will be real life”

i dont think i have ever read a bigger pile of Sh*te than the above

[pineapple stu]

Was that aimed at me? I know what an Ultra is. I was asking why an Italian Ultra would laugh at someone from here in an Ultra organisation? Numbers? Politics? Hooliganism? Dedication? Type of display? Influence with their club?

If youd like to stop being so cryptic maybe we could discuss it.
I think most people on here have differentiated between Ultras and fans who wave flags. Sandro's post explains why Italian Ultras would laugh at an Irish "Ultra". None of that applies to eL fans that I've ever seen.

[pineapple stu]

You think Ultras here just 'wave flags'?
No, that's actually the exact opposite of what I think and said.

Let's have a look at the definition of Ultras (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultras) on wikipedia (I know, I know; feel free to suggest a better starting point). The overview paragraph says -


Ultras [...] are a sanctioned form of sports team supporters renowned for their violent conduct. They are predominantly European and South American followers of football teams. The behavioral tendency of ultras groups includes the use of flares—primarily in tifo choreography—, vocal support in large groups, defiance against police officers and the display of intimidating banners at football stadiums. Consistently rivals with opposing supporters, ultras groups are often identified with their respective team. The actions of ultra fan groups are influenced by racial violence, cross-town derbys between clubs from the same city, and even from poor performances by the teams.

To me anyway, that's a decent definition. Compare the definition points to what we have in Ireland -

1) Renowned for violent conduct - not really.
2) Flares - occasionally; less now that we get fined for it. Anything like on the continent? No. Nothing close.
3) Vocal display in large groups - "large" is a subjective term, but we'll grant this one.
4) Defiance against police officers - not really.
5) Intimidating banners - occasionally, but rare.

So we kind of get a small bit of the way there, but nothing like what you'd see on the continent. Certainly,having been to games in the Czech Republic, Spain and Norway, Ireland pales in comparison. Not that there's anything particularly wrong with that, or people wanting to create a bit of atmosphere in the league. But I think it's fair to say that there's nothing in Ireland which really justifies the term "Ultra", and if an Italian Ultra went to a game and saw one bed-sheet with "Jea£ou$?" crudely painted on it, singing giving way to a low hum of moaning half way through a match (maybe cos it's only UCD, maybe cos the game's gone quiet), maybe one or two flares, they would probably think it was all very quaintly Irish in a leprechauny kind of way.

Absolutely fair play to those who do make an effort, and I'm aware that for the big games (a typically Irish way of doing things), we can get a lot closer to the points above, but in general, I don't think any group in Ireland can come close to calling itself Ultras in the proper sense.

[Aaron]

Some of our Ultra's have been banned from the Brandywell for the rest of the season and next I think. Banned for the use of flares in the video posted in the first post after numerous warnings. Also costing the club alot in fines.

[Candystripe]

Some of our Ultra's have been banned from the Brandywell for the rest of the season and next I think. Banned for the use of flares in the video posted in the first post after numerous warnings. Also costing the club alot in fines.

It looks like the "Derry Ultra's" were either having a show of strength or an act of decommisioning some of their flares and strobe's during the Cork Setanta game on tuesday night in the cemetry over looking the Brandywell.


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ioXp0AaagoU

[SalvadorSanchez]

"Ultras...." me arse!
Really? A bunch of ****ed-up pencil-necked teenagers throwing shapes and insults at away fans 50m away before running away from the cops doesn't an Ultra make.
let's face it! it's not a part of our game, our "Ultras" are much more like American football fans than European Ultras.... they're scruffy, drunk, colourful, blow hards and buffoons.
Ultras in the LOI... don't make me laugh!
and if anyone posts fight or missile throwing footage... they're still not Ultras, they're scumbags!

[Stevo Da Gull]

Dunno how anyone could object to the athmosphere these guys bring to the grounds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNifSp-2vaI

To say that this kind of stuff used to just happen spontaneously is a joke

Great video!

[pineapple stu]

Dunno how anyone could object to the athmosphere these guys bring to the grounds:
I don't think anyone's objected to the atmosphere brought to the grounds. But most of them appear to be just waving flags and bringing colour (nothing wrong with that mind) which goes against your earlier comment of "You think Ultras here just 'wave flags'?"

And your complaint of playing against "the likes of UCD every other week" appears to be completely against the Ultra culture you quoted. You can't just choose your games.

[Maynard]

Yet another embarrassing thread on the "Ultra/Flares/Singing/Flags" etc topic.

Some people are happy enough to sit on their rear and yell every once in a while, and it is rare that you see threads started about their behaviour -Yet these people get a bee in their collective bonnets whenever an "Ultra" element puts their nose out of joint for some reason.

Live and let live. Get some fresh air. We are all dying one day at a time. Try and f***ing enjoy it while you can for Christ sake.

Done.

[Rambling Along]

The four core points of the ultra mentality are:


never stop singing or chanting during a match, no matter what the result
never sit down during a match
attend as many games as possible (home and away), regardless of cost or distance
loyalty to the stand in which the group is located (also known as the Curva or Kop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spion_Kop_%28stadia%29)).


Bullcrap!

I do that at most matches and i'm no ultra.


I go singing with the crowd at every home game.
I refuse to sit down at matches. Purely because I like to stand at football matches. To prove that point I was shown in the crowd at the Pats vs Ramblers match on MNS last Monday night......standing up!
Been to 25 games this year out of 31.
The Northbank!

[micls]

Bullcrap!

I do that at most matches and i'm no ultra.


I go singing with the crowd at every home game.
I refuse to sit down at matches. Purely because I like to stand at football matches. To prove that point I was shown in the crowd at the Pats vs Ramblers match on MNS last Monday night......standing up!
Been to 25 games this year out of 31.
The Northbank!


Why does it matter if one person wants to call themselves an ultra for doing the above? Who really cares?

Leave them off once they stick to colour and noise and ignore the hooligan crap then what harm.

[pineapple stu]

You ignored my entire post here. :confused:
You've lots of posts now!:)

If it's that this sort of stuff doesn't happen spontaneously, I agree. But that doesn't make people Ultras.


Point taken about the UCD though. Its alright for you, you dont have to play against UCD
That's alright. Deep down, I know you're just like the big-game majority of Dublin GAA fans who don't know where Parnell Park is. ;)

[John83]

Point taken about the UCD though. Its alright for you, you dont have to play against UCD ;)
No, but apparently we have to play Rovers every other week. :eek:


Ultras groups here ... have to play against the likes of UCD every other week.
That or we're not unique in our low crowds and ... (what exactly else gets us all this abuse?) and all this singling out of UCD is some sort of moronic crusade.

[Buller]

Because groups like the Rovers Ultras are a joke to be fair. I didn't see much from ye when Rovers were in the 1st division

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dkJecd2zTw

:rolleyes:

[Rovers1]

Because you're usually too drunk to notice;)

well someone has to be in fairness :rolleyes:

you have your security to worry about at home games anyway :p

[irishultra]

The Oirish will find out what am Ultra is when this happenes,they can come back and tell us:)

Italian will ask who do you support??

Oirish replay Man United,Italians laugh.
Italian no who do you really follow??

Oirish reply,United,seeing them on Sky Sports a whole bunch of times.

Italians stop laughing and beat up the Oirish.

This may even happen:o


The country where everyone supports Juventus?

[gustavo]

The country where everyone supports Juventus?

Yea those crazy Italians and their Italian team supporting ways

[bray boy]

Really? A bunch of ****ed-up pencil-necked teenagers throwing shapes and insults at away fans 50m away before running away from the cops doesn't an Ultra make.

Why do you label these 'pencil-necked teenagers' as ultras?
i can nearly guarantee you that these lads 'throwing shapes' are little wannabe casuals who have a toss every time they watch green street.

They certainly wont label themselves as ultras.

If a young hard lad is looking for a 'ruck' with opposition fans he wont ask 'do X have ultras' he'll ask 'do X have a firm'.simple as.

[Rovers1]

If a young hard lad is looking for a 'ruck' with opposition fans


but then surely a rugby game would break out?

[bray boy]

i forgot to mention that this 'hard lad' is sporting the latest in dubarry footwear.
His only ambition in life is to get a lovely game of rugger with opposition fans at a league of ireland game :D

[Rovers1]

His only ambition in life is to get a lovely game of rugger with opposition fans at a league of ireland game :D

:eek:

now that would be good..brings a new meaning to "supporters games"

[Poor Student]

Even in Slovenia, a country with a small league of a low standard and no great footballing tradition, I've seen ultras with far more intensity and passion than in the LOI. The attempts at copying continental ultra culture often feel very forced as opposed rather than having organically developed. A bit like when you hear the many chants lifted from the English game at LOI grounds that are chanted with an English accent.

Personally, I love the game of football and actually enjoy concentrating on and watching the game. Sure, I enjoy chanting and getting involved in the atmosphere but primarily I'm there to see what's going on on the pitch. Watching Olimpijia Ljubljana games over the years I've seen lads with their backs turned to the pitch for 90 minutes leading chants and threatning to beat up those who wanted to sit down for a minute. It reminds you of your priorities in actually being at the match, to enjoy the game.

[Raheny Red]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dkJecd2zTw

:rolleyes:

That's when you lot were in the Premier.

[GenerationXI]

And to GenerationXI, sorry if it offends you but I believe there most certainly is hatred between certain teams in the league and Im glad, Id rather that then a Disney love in, although I know thats not what you are saying.


There's a very real hatred there, but does it manifest itself in a violent way regularly? If it does then surely the fine rags that this country has to offer would be all over it, not to mention the forums of this website?

Really it's quite irrelevant. Some people will continue to call themselves Ultras and assign there own meaning to the term and thankfully, at least in the context of our club, that's fairly benign.

[back of the net]

"Ultras...." me arse!
Really? A bunch of ****ed-up pencil-necked teenagers throwing shapes and insults at away fans 50m away before running away from the cops doesn't an Ultra make.
let's face it! it's not a part of our game, our "Ultras" are much more like American football fans than European Ultras.... they're scruffy, drunk, colourful, blow hards and buffoons.
Ultras in the LOI... don't make me laugh!
and if anyone posts fight or missile throwing footage... they're still not Ultras, they're scumbags!

couldnt have put it better myself salvador

[Sean South]

Reading through this thread and the cringeworthy posts the only decent post was joey Killesters. There are some good groups in Ireland and the mentality is increasing each season. I have to laugh at people who haven't a clue about the culture saying Irish groups would be laughed at by our European counterparts. There is a growing respect for the Irish ultra scene you have to remember its only a fairly new here compared to 30-40 years in other countries. Also when people say we're trying to be like the Italians we're not we're trying to create our own scene. Like it or not the ultra culture is part of the league of Ireland now and is here to stay

[SalvadorSanchez]

Why do you label these 'pencil-necked teenagers' as ultras?
i can nearly guarantee you that these lads 'throwing shapes' are little wannabe casuals who have a toss every time they watch green street.

They certainly wont label themselves as ultras.

If a young hard lad is looking for a 'ruck' with opposition fans he wont ask 'do X have ultras' he'll ask 'do X have a firm'.simple as.

Face it "Ultras" and "Barra Brava" tend to be a well organized groups, with specific area in the stadium, they use businesses run by their peers rather than outsiders, have a dress code, a command structure and generate revenue from thier "activities" (selling unofficial merchandise and kicking the sh** out of anyone who tries to do likewise, getting "sponsorship" from certain bars for example) they are often in a position to influence and pressure clubs where club presidents are elected by members rather than appointed as the case here, and in case anyone was in any doubt don't be so stupid as to buy the line that they're a "supporters club" or a "society" or anything like that... they organise violence and make money (for the top dogs) from the power they have over the clubs.
We have nothing like that and to suggest that we do is nonsense, and like I said...a bunch of scummy teens acting up doesn't constitute an Ultra group!

[SalvadorSanchez]

Reading through this thread and the cringeworthy posts the only decent post was joey Killesters. There are some good groups in Ireland and the mentality is increasing each season. I have to laugh at people who haven't a clue about the culture saying Irish groups would be laughed at by our European counterparts. There is a growing respect for the Irish ultra scene you have to remember its only a fairly new here compared to 30-40 years in other countries. Also when people say we're trying to be like the Italians we're not we're trying to create our own scene. Like it or not the ultra culture is part of the league of Ireland now and is here to stay

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