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rebelarmyexile
15/10/2008, 4:44 PM
Venue confirmed as Turner's Cross. St. Annes Roof to be completed for match. Saturday, 1st November.
Should hopefully be a full house with Glens bringing 1500ish??
brendy_éire
15/10/2008, 4:53 PM
Should hopefully be a full house with Glens bringing 1500ish??
Doubt it'd be anywhere near that. Few hundred maybe.
Brought a decent crowd to Dublin for the first game of this tournament, and that was a monday night.
Right decision to play it in Cork rather than Dublin
holidaysong
15/10/2008, 5:06 PM
Right decision to play it in Cork rather than Dublin
How can you say that? :confused:
Obviously Dublin would have been fairer on both sets of fans.. Very unfair decision by Setanta IMO..
brendy_éire
15/10/2008, 5:20 PM
Brought a decent crowd to Dublin for the first game of this tournament, and that was a monday night.
Right decision to play it in Cork rather than Dublin
Belfast-Dublin is a massive journey in the minds of Belfast people (they complain when they have to travel to Derry to play Institute). Don't think they can really comprehend the distance to Cork.
IMO, the final should be in Dublin.
Hopefully Glentoran can get 500 as Saturday will help as thats their usual game day. Obviously evening ko won't help so much.
I would not have complained if we had to travel to Belfast but it was FAI turn this year to host it. Our nearest group games have been in Dublin & have previously has to travel to Belfast & Dublin foe semi final & final so seems fair to hold it at the cross.
Hopefully we can get 5000 & the St Annes End roof is completed in time. The last national final at the cross was the league cup against Shamrock Rovers in the mid-late 90s when we has a full house.
SunnySweeney
15/10/2008, 5:21 PM
Cork is only an hour away from Belfast by plane.
This is going to be an exciting cup final in front of a big crowd (including good away support) in an A1 (by Irish standards) football ground.
The FAI Cup final is going to pale in comparsion to this.
refjohn
15/10/2008, 5:28 PM
Cork is only an hour away from Belfast by plane.
Only problem is Aer Arann dont fly on a Saturday!
holidaysong
15/10/2008, 5:32 PM
Only problem is Aer Arann dont fly on a Saturday!
Return flights from Dublin to Cork with Ryanair:
Go out on Saturday morning and return on Sunday afternoon is €35 (inc. tax).
SunnySweeney
15/10/2008, 5:45 PM
Is it cost efficient to charter a plane these days?.
I'm confident our friends in Belfast will turn up in big numbers - how many big games do they get to travel to each year.
Plus I'm sure they are dying to see first hand if the Republic (TPROC that is) is everything it's cracked up to be.
No, its not cost effective to charter/fly. Ridiculous to assume most fans would fly
No, its not cost effective to charter/fly. Ridiculous to assume most fans would fly
Flights 20euro return from Dublin atm. Cheapest option seems to be bus to Dublin and that
Those flights don't include overnight accomodation too?
Those flights don't include overnight accomodation too?
I doubt many will head back the same night with a late kick off, even if they do bus it.
Mayeb a special train or something might be an option, but that'd be expensive enough too
I think the venue decision will affect future IL involvement in setanta cup. To give team such an advantage is a disgrace.
brendy_éire
15/10/2008, 7:51 PM
Mayeb a special train or something might be an option, but that'd be expensive enough too
We priced that for the league finale in 2005, it was a mad price.
lofty9
15/10/2008, 7:55 PM
I think the venue decision will affect future IL involvement in setanta cup. To give team such an advantage is a disgrace.
Totally agree.
DmanDmythDledge
15/10/2008, 7:56 PM
I think the venue decision will affect future IL involvement in setanta cup. To give team such an advantage is a disgrace.
Didn't seem to effect involvement when Linfield had home advantage last season.
A face
15/10/2008, 7:58 PM
I think the venue decision will affect future IL involvement in setanta cup. To give team such an advantage is a disgrace.
I think thats a bit reactionary to be honest. The Cross is the best venue out of LOI clubs. Its the FAIs turn this year and City are in the final. Its not the end of the world in all fairness. Glentoran are a good team who has started their season fairly well, City will raise their game for this and it should result in a great game of ball.
All are welcome in Cork, and all City fans know the travel thats involved so i'm sure they'll do everything to accommodate people. Every other team City have played for the Irish League their fans have been superb so i wouldn't expect anything different from Glens.
A face
15/10/2008, 8:02 PM
We priced that for the league finale in 2005, it was a mad price.
I think its the approach when it comes to this. If you go to Irish Rail and tell them "if you give a decent price per head we have X amount of people looking to travel" .... its then up to them to turn it down. There is room to manoeuvre.
blackholesun
15/10/2008, 8:15 PM
Jokeshop!
All Cup Finals should be played at neutral venues. Shoulda been Tolka!
bhs
A face
15/10/2008, 8:30 PM
Jokeshop!
All Cup Finals should be played at neutral venues. Shoulda been Tolka!
bhs
There is no way it could be played in Tolka over Dalyer .... Tolka is a crumbling mess. Its brutal facilities wise and Dalyer is by far a better option.
bohs til i die
15/10/2008, 9:07 PM
I think its the approach when it comes to this. If you go to Irish Rail and tell them "if you give a decent price per head we have X amount of people looking to travel" .... its then up to them to turn it down. There is room to manoeuvre.
Crazy decision. The final in 2006 was played in Tolka between Cork and Drogheda so should have been the same again. Dalymount, Tolka or even the RDS (if available) could have been used to host this final.
Longfordian
15/10/2008, 9:14 PM
It's harsh on Glens but Setanta know that whatever tickets Glens don't sell, Cork will buy. 7,000 at Turners Cross > 4,000 at Tolka/Dalymount as far as Setanta are concerned. No doubt Cork are fancying their chances of a nice financial boost.
Plus I'm sure they are dying to see first hand if the Republic (TPROC that is) is everything it's cracked up to be.
If only you visited last year. You missed it all :(
dcfcsteve
15/10/2008, 11:15 PM
It's harsh on Glens but Setanta know that whatever tickets Glens don't sell, Cork will buy. 7,000 at Turners Cross > 4,000 at Tolka/Dalymount as far as Setanta are concerned. No doubt Cork are fancying their chances of a nice financial boost.
That may be the case - but you can't alolocate the final of a tournament with such a relatively large pay-out on the basis of where may or may not attract a bigger crowd.
Whatever happened to the time-worn concept of neutral venues for big cup finals ?
IMO it cheapens the Setanta final to consciously and deliberately give it to the ground of one of the two finalists (as opposed to it being in a finalist's ground by-default, like with Windsor or Tolka). I also think it sets a very bad precedent for future years, and can see it causing rows
The gap between winner and runner-up in this tournament is €70,000. Cork have instantly been handed a huge advantage in laying their hands on that incremental sum, which is unfair.
A bad footballing decision.
SolitudeRed
15/10/2008, 11:25 PM
:eek: What a crazy decision! very unfair on the Glens Its takes something like 6 hours on a train to get form Belfast to Cork!
:eek: What a crazy decision! very unfair on the Glens Its takes something like 6 hours on a train to get form Belfast to Cork!
Our group games were 4-6 hours away this year. The final has only been held at neutral venue once when 2 LOI sides took part. The rules are very simple. It was an FAI decision which was made before the Derry-Cork City semi final.
El-Pietro
15/10/2008, 11:35 PM
were constantly travelling to the north - Glentoran have never been further than Inchicore!
Which, incidentally is the closest away game we've had
I've been to Derrytwic in two weeks ffs - I agree as its a final it should probably be a neutral venue but think of the upsides
Possibility of a close to capacity crowd - looks good on tv and boosts coffers of all three parties involved
A chance to debunk the myth that bringing Glentoran or Linfield to Cork will cause untold amounts of trouble - there would likely be more trouble in Dublin from locals interested in trouble.
Glentoran get to visit a new ground - as far as I know. We've never played each other so its going to be an historic ocasion and hopefully the St. Annes end will be roofed and we will have a fantastic final.
I can't wait for it to be honest!
Longfordian
15/10/2008, 11:39 PM
That may be the case - but you can't alolocate the final of a tournament with such a relatively large pay-out on the basis of where may or may not attract a bigger crowd.
I'm not in total agreement with it either but I was just pointing out that when Setanta, the commercial backers, are getting 20% of the gate (as far as I know) then the likely attendance may well have been a factor.
twowheelsonly
15/10/2008, 11:49 PM
Whatever happened to the time-worn concept of neutral venues for big cup finals ?
League Cup Finals for the past couple of years???
You should know about them....
I agree that it's not perfect but why does everybody automatically plump for Dublin?
If people are genuinely worried about facilitating/screwing up both sets of supporters then why not Galway, Longford or Athlone?
As another post stated there was no complaints last year when Linfield hosted it at Windsor.
BTW How often do Glentoran get long/overnight trips. I'm sure that a large number of their supporters are looking forward to it with no qualms.
dcfcsteve
16/10/2008, 12:42 AM
League Cup Finals for the past couple of years???
You should know about them....
I used the word "big". Even City fans wouldn't claim the League Cup as a big final. If it was played at neutral venues (which it hasn't been since god knows when, if ever at all) it would attract a shockingly poor crowd. The Setanta has the capacity to attract a good crowd - possible even better than the FAI or IFA Cup finals, participants depending.
I agree that it's not perfect but why does everybody automatically plump for Dublin?
If people are genuinely worried about facilitating/screwing up both sets of supporters then why not Galway, Longford or Athlone?
Everyone plumps for Dublin, because the stadia outside of there (with the exception of Cork) are muck, and not up to the job.
As another post stated there was no complaints last year when Linfield hosted it at Windsor.
Because that was always the deal, and would've been even if Linfield weren't there. No other stadium in the north is arguably up to the job (The Oval is antiquated), so it had to be Windsor really. Linfield just happened to make the final - it wasn't chosen once they got there, unlike Turners Cross.
BTW How often do Glentoran get long/overnight trips. I'm sure that a large number of their supporters are looking forward to it with no qualms.
As has been pointed ouit already, Irish league fans think a trip to Derry is a major outing/wild adventure. They'll be packing passports, guidebooks and bermuda shorts for Cork......!
michaelguineys
16/10/2008, 5:45 AM
I think the venue decision will affect future IL involvement in setanta cup. To give team such an advantage is a disgrace.
Jesus people, it is the FAI's turn to host the final this year, and they stated before the Derry v City semi that the winners of that would host the match.
End of story.
Bout time anyway that we didn't have to travel. Our nearest away game in the Setanta Cup this year was St Pats for flip sake.
Add to that that the Cross should hopefully be close to capacity, the St Anne's End roof will be done so the stadium will look top class (by EL standards obviously) on the tv, plus there should be a fantastic atmosphere ate it given what we have been through the season so I can only see having it at Turners Cross as a positive thing , for the Setanta Cup competition itself and our League!
MariborKev
16/10/2008, 7:45 AM
That may be the case - but you can't alolocate the final of a tournament with such a relatively large pay-out on the basis of where may or may not attract a bigger crowd.
Whatever happened to the time-worn concept of neutral venues for big cup finals ?
IMO it cheapens the Setanta final to consciously and deliberately give it to the ground of one of the two finalists (as opposed to it being in a finalist's ground by-default, like with Windsor or Tolka). I also think it sets a very bad precedent for future years, and can see it causing rows
The gap between winner and runner-up in this tournament is €70,000. Cork have instantly been handed a huge advantage in laying their hands on that incremental sum, which is unfair.
A bad footballing decision.
My thoughts exactly.
A minor thing, but just another stick for people to beat us with in terms of minnowism for these League(s).
GenerationXI
16/10/2008, 8:28 AM
Maybe if the Corkies didn't waste all their money buying the right to host finals their finances would be in better shape!!! :p
When will tickets be available?
bohs til i die
16/10/2008, 9:19 AM
It's harsh on Glens but Setanta know that whatever tickets Glens don't sell, Cork will buy. 7,000 at Turners Cross > 4,000 at Tolka/Dalymount as far as Setanta are concerned. No doubt Cork are fancying their chances of a nice financial boost.
Dublin on a saturday afternoon at 3/4pm. There is trains from both Cork and Belfast. Its 3-4 hours for both sets of fans and there is also the potential for 1-2 thousand neutrals turning up.
A face
16/10/2008, 9:41 AM
Because that was always the deal, and would've been even if Linfield weren't there. No other stadium in the north is arguably up to the job (The Oval is antiquated), so it had to be Windsor really. Linfield just happened to make the final - it wasn't chosen once they got there, unlike Turners Cross.
Wrong, it was decided before the Derry Cork semi final.
Everyone plumps for Dublin, because the stadia outside of there (with the exception of Cork) are muck, and not up to the job.
Maybe you just meant football stadia but best stadium in the country outside of Croke Park is now Thomond Park.
http://www.munsterrugby.ie/images/gallery/East_Stand_Sept.jpg
tiktok
16/10/2008, 10:05 AM
Shels v Linfield (played in Tolka)
Cork v Drogs (played in Tolka)
Linfield v Drogs (played in Windsor)
Cork v Glentoran (Played in Turners Cross)
The only Setanta final ever played at a neutral venue was the one where both sides came from the same football association. Otherwise, the location of the final is passed in turns between the two associations.
If we'd beaten Linfield in the semi final last season we'd have been heading up to the oval this season. It's that simple.
As for Glens having to travel to Cork, we understand the hassle better than anyone else, in the four years of the competition, no club has done as much travelling as Cork City has.
A face
16/10/2008, 10:16 AM
Maybe you just meant football stadia but best stadium in the country outside of Croke Park is now Thomond Park.
Theres no contest, great stadium right there. Every final should be held there from now on without doubt.
Dodge
16/10/2008, 10:20 AM
Dublin on a saturday afternoon at 3/4pm. There is trains from both Cork and Belfast. Its 3-4 hours for both sets of fans and there is also the potential for 1-2 thousand neutrals turning up.
Setanta are never going to have a final on at the time (clashing with their UK football). It has always been saturday night, and will always be a night fixture
GenerationXI
16/10/2008, 10:23 AM
Maybe you just meant football stadia but best stadium in the country outside of Croke Park is now Thomond Park.
I'd actually be interested to see it when it's not full of bandwagon jumpers. :rolleyes:
brendy_éire
16/10/2008, 10:45 AM
A minor thing, but just another stick for people to beat us with in terms of minnowism for these League(s).
Yeah, got that accusation from a few people in work actually. It's a particular ask for Glens fans to travel to Cork when their longest journey of the season is an hour and a half to Derry.
Yes, Cork have travelled a fair bit themselves, but that's only because of geography. It can't be used as a reason to demand hosting a final.
Setanta should have appointed final venues and stick to them. Or else state in the rules that if the finalists are from opposing leagues, on side should have home advantage. Make it offical instead selecting the venue depending on who's in the final.
Agreeing with Pietro that there are some positives. If we're ever to have an AIL, it's the IL fans we need to be convinced. Travel distances are what they fear most. Having them travel to Cork will let the see that it's not that bad a journey, it is do-able. Plus, they should really enjoy Cork, it's a great spot. Maybe the away trip to Cork will seem like much better craic than that away trip to Larne?
IMO though, all finals should be at a neutral venue, including the LC too.
tiktok
16/10/2008, 11:05 AM
Yes, Cork have travelled a fair bit themselves, but that's only because of geography. It can't be used as a reason to demand hosting a final.
No-one is demanding we host the final.
We were expecting it would be at TC given the precedent Setanta have set, if it had been in a neutral venue and closer to Glens to keep them happy (seeing as their famour travelling support won't travel 5 hours [mostly on motorway] at the weekend) we'd have gotten over it.
brendy_éire
16/10/2008, 11:12 AM
No-one is demanding we host the final.
Sorry, maybe slightly strong a word. I don't think you can use it to justify playing the game at Turners.
Sorry, maybe slightly strong a word. I don't think you can use it to justify playing the game at Turners.
Most City fans I know were not expecting it to be at Turner's Cross. But every final between both associations gave home advantage to one of the participants. The fact that this means it's on in Cork should not be a justification for changing it.
Don't expect much sympathy from City fans about travel distances;)
brendy_éire
16/10/2008, 4:41 PM
Don't expect much sympathy from City fans about travel distances;)
A Dublin final would have been handier for me too. But at least this way I get an excuse for 6th weekend in Cork this year. :D
SUB of the day
16/10/2008, 7:54 PM
Maybe you just meant football stadia but best stadium in the country outside of Croke Park is now Thomond Park.
http://www.munsterrugby.ie/images/gallery/East_Stand_Sept.jpg
it says a lot about our sporting infrastructure, that our second best facility is nothing more than a poor mans Mc Alpine(Huddersfields home ground):o
tiktok
16/10/2008, 8:22 PM
Sorry, maybe slightly strong a word. I don't think you can use it to justify playing the game at Turners.
Sorry brendy, but we're not justifying it either.
We were given the final based on the precedent Setanta have set, the point about travelling is just to highlight how poor the Glens argument actually is, if you sign up to an All-Ireland competition, you have to expect that at some stage you'll have to drive more than an hour for a game.
Is it fair, possibly not, I can understand that.
Was it expected? absolutely, no point Glens pretending it's a great surprise.
Graemerz
16/10/2008, 8:36 PM
Sorry brendy, but we're not justifying it either.
We were given the final based on the precedent Setanta have set, the point about travelling is just to highlight how poor the Glens argument actually is, if you sign up to an All-Ireland competition, you have to expect that at some stage you'll have to drive more than an hour for a game.
Is it fair, possibly not, I can understand that.
Was it expected? absolutely, no point Glens pretending it's a great surprise.
True.
And to make matters worse the Glens continue to state how much they are for an All-Ireland League. :rolleyes:
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