Top 20 performances in Europe

[oriel]

Interesting bit in the dundalk programme re top 20 irish clusb perfs in europe, here is the top 10

Should provide some lively debate

1/ This was graciously given to rovers, 2-2 away to valencia in 1962, valencia won the inter city fairs (uefa) that season and were the top team in spain for nx few yrs
2/ Athone 0 milan 0 in 75
3/ Dlk 0 Celtic 0 in 79,
4/ Drogs 2-2 away to kiev
5/ Pats 0-0 away to celtic
6/ Shels 0-0 with depottivo,
7/ Dlk 1-1 with spurs (also won uefa cup that yr)
8/ Bohs 3 rangers 2 in 84
9/ Ucd 0-0 with everton 85 (who also won ecwc that yr)
10/ Dlk beating zurich 2-1 away in 1967 (ist irish team to win an away game)

[Schumi]

Interesting that there's so many draws. I'd have thought that Shels beating Split would on the list.

[Titan]

Whats really interesting there is that only 2 of the top 10 were wins!

The best European performance I have seen (in the flesh so to speak!)was UCD v Everton at Tolka. it was 0-0 and it was great to see the Fabulous Everton team at the time being made to look ordinary!

What about Bohs beating Aberdeen away?

[Rovers Maniac]

UCD came within a whisker of putting out a very good Everton side while Pats got a 0-0 draw but the game was over v Celtic. You need to have Shels beating Split in there and also Bohs beating Aberdeen and Bohs winning out in Germany v kaiserslauten.

[oriel]

What about Bohs beating Aberdeen away?

made the top 20, as did their win v kaisers'n, remember this is from a club programme, just someones point of view at the end of the day

[RiffRaff]

UCD came within a whisker of putting out a very good Everton side while Pats got a 0-0 draw but the game was over v Celtic. You need to have Shels beating Split in there and also Bohs beating Aberdeen and Bohs winning out in Germany v kaiserslauten.

Pretty sure Pats draw at Celtic was in the first leg. I think people may be nostalgic with those results. I would have though at least half the top 20 should be from the last decade.

[Duggie]

shels v split 2-0 at home should really be up there well.

[finnpark]

Shels beating Split was huge.

Bohs winning at Aberdeen and Kaiserlautern with the handicap of Roddy

Derry winning 5-1 against Gretna was incredible also and Derry's home and away results against Gothenborg.

Also, Pats results against Elfsborg were great results. There are just so many :D

Cork against NEC too

[CameramanConka]

Derry winning 5-1 against Gretna was incredible also and Derry's home and away results against Gothenborg.



Good man Finn Park saves me the bother ;) Also our home 0-0 against PSG wasn't a bad result. Could and maybe should have won that one.

[HarpoJoyce]

Maybe 'cos I.m a UCD supporter, but for me LoI clubs drawing 0-0 in Europe was the norm, and welcomed.


8) & 9) happened on a Tues. and Wednesday of the same week (special mention, Shamrock Rvs 0-0 in Belfast on the Wed.). But I think it's gracious to have UCD so high up the list aswell. Everton's record in Europe before that was brutal, like very bad. And they represented a League where clubs regularly got to Finals, semi-Finals was considered failure.

For me, measuring individual results is lesser than measuring a campaign. I think Dundalk going through three rounds (6 games, last 16) in the European Cup is excellent.
The debate should be where, is Shelbourne playing 8 games in Europe, two competitions, better or just a different measurement?


(Celtic/St.Pats was a 1st leg game and the pressure on defenders that brings. It should be compared with the Shels/Rangers (Tranmere Rvs) game the same day (3 up. 3-5 defeat). But I think its doesn't make much sense to measure that against Pat's 0-0 against Dinamo Bucharest in Tolka (1991?). Maybe compare and contrast though.)

Also alot of hidden performances. Derry City and Cork City have an exceptional home record in European competitions. Does Derry's goal in 1988 against Benefica count as a good result (1-2) but the first goal by a
LoI side in four years, coming from a long way behind.

"that season and were they [Valencia] top team in spain for nx few yrs" Real Madrid couldn't stop winning European Cups and a couple of times, they knocked Barcelona out in the early rounds of that competition. No question, Spain were the best League in Europe though.

[BohDiddley]

Derry winning 5-1 against Gretna was incredible also and Derry's home and away results against Gothenborg.

It was a very good performance, but beating mighty Gretna incredible? I think not.
Hard to top beating Glasgow Rangers, surely. :D

[bennocelt]

what about Cork against Bayern Munich and Galatasary

[lofty9]

http://www.rsssf.com/ec/Ireland.html.

have a look.

[pineapple stu]

I think people may be nostalgic with those results. I would have though at least half the top 20 should be from the last decade.
Don't necessarily agree. There were some very impressive results back in the 70s and 80s which stand up to anything achieved today (maybe a draw then versus a win now, but against better teams when our clubs by and large weren't bankrupting themselves in the process). I wouldn't have number ten in there (probably replace it with Cork 1-1 Bayern Munchen), but the rest are all deserving of places in the top 20 anyway. There's 3 of the top ten from this decade; we don't know how many more are in the top 20. If it goes up to about half, I'd say that's fair enough. What's different now is that we're getting more wins but against lower teams, so the current results wouldn't necessarily feature up there.

[Boh_So_Good]

Pat's moral victory over the Moldova Plumbers and Cluster Bomb Victims 0-5 home and away will be a memory I shall always cherish.

[OwlsFan]

1966 European Cup Winners Cup, Second Round

First Leg : Shamrock Rovers 1 Bayern Munich 1 (Billy Dixon)
Second Leg : Bayern Munich 3 Shamrock Rovers 2 (Bobby Gilbert, Liam Tuohy)

1969 European Cup Winners Cup, First Round
First Leg : Shamrock Rovers 2 Schalke 1 (Eric Barber (2))

[superfrank]

Shels 0-0 with Depor is a good one, imo.

The season before Depor had made the semis where they lost to eventual winners Porto 1-0 on agg. They also beat Milan 5-4 in the quarter final when they were trailing 4-1 from the first leg.

[A face]

Pat's moral victory over the Moldova Plumbers and Cluster Bomb Victims 0-5 home and away will be a memory I shall always cherish.

I thought that the follow game (in Turners Cross) they had after that epic result was great because to players showed great courage playing with that huge sense of shame that they had brought on the league.

The sense of disbelief was palpable in the ground. I'll never forget it.

[Charles Bronson]

Bohs 3-0 BATE Borisov surely that has to be up there
Also i think we should be looking at performances over two legs too, not just single games.
Over two legs the best results that spring to mind are
Derry v Gothenbug
Corks run in the intertoto a few years back
Shels V Split
Bohs v Aberdeen
Bohs sticking 9 past rhyl

[pineapple stu]

Bohs 3-0 BATE Borisov surely that has to be up there
Only in hindsight surely? BATE weren't actually as good as they are now back then were they?

Agree two leg performances are more important than one off games.

[jinxy lilywhite]

Tbh their selection of games was on the basis of how good the opposition was.
Take the Rovers game. no 1. This was chosen as valencia where one of the top teams in european football. say if you compare that to Drogs against Kiev. They are no Valencia of the day.
i know the derry Gretna game made no 20 for the fact it was Gretna they beat. Some team beat a top german side 1-0 in germany. this result was excluded because they got hammered 6-0 in the first.
Limerick Real Madrid was there and i think was the only defeat by an irish side included

[bennocelt]

Didnt Derry put up a good show to Benfica many years ago, even though they lost 2-1, weren't Benfica euro cup holders at that time?

[rambler14]

What about Derry hammering Gretna in Fir Park?

It seems to be favouring Dundalk in a huge way having 3 in the Top 10....bit bias like!

[pete]

You can't include moral victories against big teams when no chance of progressing. :(

[oriel]

What about Derry hammering Gretna in Fir Park?

It seems to be favouring Dundalk in a huge way having 3 in the Top 10....bit bias like!

Derry's away game V Gretna also made the top 20. Maybe it may seem a bit bias having Dundalk as 3 in top 10, but remember one thing, we played in europe every year bar one from 76- 82 (two rounds twice, 3 rounds once) and only lost one home game (v Liverpool in 82) - so the pedigre was there

Also as i said previously, this is only one persons view, and it was in a dundalk programme (which incidently gave Rovers no 1 spot)

On noticable absence was Waterford from the top 20. they had a great team in late 60`s/early 70`s, must have been some good results in europe there ?

[CuanaD]

My Faves from the past 5 years:
2004
Hajduk Split Cro Shelbourne Irl 3-2 0-2 had my 2 eldest at the home game - they screamed their lungs out!

2005
Glentoran Nir Shelbourne Irl 1-2 1-4
Djurgårdens IF Swe Cork City Irl 1-1 0-0

2006
Cork City Irl Apollon Limassol Cyp 1-0 1-1
HJK Helsinki Fin Drogheda United Irl 1-1 1-3
Start Kristiansand Nor Drogheda United Irl 1-0 0-1
Penalty shootout: Drogheda United - Start Kristiansand 10-11 was behind the goal for the shoot-out - wrong team won
IFK Göteborg Swe Derry City Irl 0-1 0-1
Gretna FC Sco Derry City Irl 1-5 2-2
Derry City Irl Paris Saint-Germain Fra 0-0 what a great run by Derry - beating Göteborg home & away & then those 5 wonder goals in Scotland!

2007
Libertas Sma Drogheda United Irl 1-1 0-3 clinical Drogs at 'home'

2008
Drogheda United Irl Levadia Tallinn Est 2-1 1-0
Drogheda United Irl Dinamo Kiev Ukr 1-2 2-2 Still can't believe Drogs lost
JFK Olimps Riga Lat St. Patrick's Athletic Irl 0-1 0-2
IF Elfsborg Swe St. Patrick's Athletic Irl 2-2 1-2 the 2 home pats games had great atmosphere


All in all - we've had it pretty good these past few years! :D :ball:

[Boh_So_Good]

the LOI results in recent years have been impressive alright - are we due another round of "domestic soccer is dead" media hype soon?

In the name of Oirish journalists who are so passionate about the game of course...

[blackholesun]

Hhmmm am surprised with the no.1 selection but still think the Rovers almost knocking out eventual winner Bayern Munich only for Gerd Muller to grab the winner with minutes to go should be top! This was a team containing several world class stars of the time.

bhs

[Réiteoir]

The Kaiserslautern side Bohs beat away made it all the way to the semi-finals that season - eventually losing to the Spanish side Alaves - who were then beaten by Liverpool in the Final.

Also significant for being the first time a LoI side had won two away legs in Europe in the same campaign.

Should have been higher up the list imo.

[red bellied]

A great occasion in the Showgrounds 1994 http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=JDx89F-ZPq0

[Dodge]

Dead ties and the inter toto should be automatically discarded IMO.

[Candystripe]

Benfica went on to lose the in the final of the European cup (CL nowadays) on pens the year they beat us 2-1. A very very dodgy goal that won it for them as well.

[HarpoJoyce]

Dead ties and the inter toto should be automatically discarded IMO.


I have to ask. What is a dead tie, when a LoI club is playing in a UEFA-sponsored tournament, ever?
( I understand dead rubbers in Davis Cup Tennis. I don't appreciate any similarity.)


Benfica went on to lose the in the final of the European cup (CL nowadays) on pens the year they beat us 2-1. A very very dodgy goal that won it for them as well.

Not for the last time a very, very dodgy decision from the Brandywell.
This was the first LOI club match that was broadcast live in a European competition. Ensured capacity crowd helped make up the mind of everyone (Incl. match officials)

It was normal to believe an announcement to cover a game live would affect match ticket sales. So it wasn't done for precious Europe. 'Don't you understand we are in Europe...," is a well used argument within Irish football.

BTW, I fear some posters may get/continue to be anti-RTE.
At the time, RTE were showing Cup-Winners-Cup finals when both ITV and the BBC had finished/stopped broadcasting European Cup Finals, because BBC and ITV were a little jaded only showing non-English clubs from 1985. But not the pioneers at RTE.

[SkStu]

Dead ties and the inter toto should be automatically discarded IMO.

you asking everyone to discard the Pats v. Zimbru tie then?

:ball:

[bohs til i die]

1976 - Bohs 1-1 Rangers
1984 - Bohs 3-2 Rangers
1985 - Dundee United 2-2 Bohs
1993 - Bohs 0-1 Bordeaux (We lost but we put it up to them - Zidane, Lizarazu, Dugarry etc)
2000 - Aberdeen 1-2 Bohs
2000 - Kaiserslautern 0-1 Bohs
2003 Bohs 3-0 BATE Borisov

[McLovin]

My favourite was Droghedas draw in Kiev.Unbelievable experience over there at the game.My greatest moments as a drogs fan.Other results which stick out are derrys two wins over gothenburg and and shels beating Split.I'm too young to remember the results from the 60s/70s

[Saint_Charlie]

you asking everyone to discard the Pats v. Zimbru tie then?

:ball:

Yes please :o

[Dodge]

I have to ask. What is a dead tie, when a LoI club is playing in a UEFA-sponsored tournament, ever?
( I understand dead rubbers in Davis Cup Tennis. I don't appreciate any similarity.)


When the tie is effectively over. Pats drew 0-0 with an excellent Dinamo Bucharest side but as we had lost the first leg 4-0 it shouldn't count. Similarly Bohs 1-0 victory in Germany isn't as worthy as their victory in Aberdeen, despite the lesser quality opponent

[BohsPartisan]

Only in hindsight surely? BATE weren't actually as good as they are now back then were they?

Agree two leg performances are more important than one off games.

Yeah, we annihilated them though, which is probably the point.

[bohs til i die]

Similarly Bohs 1-0 victory in Germany isn't as worthy as their victory in Aberdeen, despite the lesser quality opponent


Did you watch the Kaiserslautern game? Like Drogheda in Kiev, Bohs had the chance to got 2 up, and also a goal dis-allowed which was a borderline offisde call.

[dancinpants]

Ah in fairness the only reason Bohs fans are mentioning Bate is on the back of Bate's current European adventure. But in counterbalance to that beating a Bundesliga side 1-0 in their own patch is defo one to brag about.

Its a pity that alot of the (older) good reults already mentioned in this thread aren't immortalised on tape.

[dancinpants]

Don't be offended:

83/84: Athlone 2 - 8 Standard Liege
78/79: Bohs 0 - 6 Dresden
99/00: Bray 0 - 4 Grasshoppers
89/90: Cork 0 - 5 Torpedo Moscow
88-90: Derry City 0 - 4 Cardiff/Benfica
83/84: Drogs 0 - 8 Spurs
69/70: Dundalk 0 - 10 Liverpool
76/77: Harps 0 - 12 Derby
86/87: Galway 1 - 5 Groningen
05/06: Longford 1 - 5 Carnarfen
?/?-07/08: Pats 0 - 5 Odense/Zimbru
94/95: Rovers 0 - 7 Zabrze
02/03: Shels 1 - 5 Sporting Lisbon
84/85: UCD 0 - 1 Everton
70/71: Waterford 0 - 7 Celtic

Let the excuses begin. :o

[michaelguineys]

I'm very surprised that City didnt make the list a few times for the games against Bayern Munich, Galatasaray, our hammering of Malmo in the Intertoto a few years ago, then the NEC Njimegen game after that, Djurgardens (when City reached the First Round Proper of UEFA Cup) to name but a few...

[pineapple stu]

Don't be offended:

84/85: UCD 0 - 1 Everton

Typo?!:eek:

[OneRedArmy]

Don't be offended:

83/84: Athlone 2 - 8 Standard Liege
78/79: Bohs 0 - 6 Dresden
99/00: Bray 0 - 4 Grasshoppers
89/90: Cork 0 - 5 Torpedo Moscow
88-90: Derry City 0 - 4 Cardiff/Benfica
83/84: Drogs 0 - 8 Spurs
69/70: Dundalk 0 - 10 Liverpool
76/77: Harps 0 - 12 Derby
86/87: Galway 1 - 5 Groningen
05/06: Longford 1 - 5 Carnarfen
?/?-07/08: Pats 0 - 5 Odense/Zimbru
94/95: Rovers 0 - 7 Zabrze
02/03: Shels 1 - 5 Sporting Lisbon
84/85: UCD 0 - 1 Everton
70/71: Waterford 0 - 7 Celtic

Let the excuses begin. :oDerry's 4 nil against Benfica was nowhere near as bad as the result against Apoel Nicosia in 2003. Benfica got to the final that year as mentioned above.

Longford win that competition hands down anyway.

[HarpoJoyce]

Don't be offended:

83/84: Athlone 2 - 8 Standard Liege
78/79: Bohs 0 - 6 Dresden
99/00: Bray 0 - 4 Grasshoppers
89/90: Cork 0 - 5 Torpedo Moscow
88-90: Derry City 0 - 4 Cardiff/Benfica
83/84: Drogs 0 - 8 Spurs
69/70: Dundalk 0 - 10 Liverpool
76/77: Harps 0 - 12 Derby
86/87: Galway 1 - 5 Groningen
05/06: Longford 1 - 5 Carnarfen
?/?-07/08: Pats 0 - 5 Odense/Zimbru
94/95: Rovers 0 - 7 Zabrze
02/03: Shels 1 - 5 Sporting Lisbon
84/85: UCD 0 - 1 Everton
70/71: Waterford 0 - 7 Celtic

Let the excuses begin. :o

I'm offended that you chose to reverse the fixture on a number of the matches. Is this winding up?

Athlone Town scored four goals in the European Cup first round in 1983 (2-3. 2-8).
An avalanche of goals considering what was to follow in the barren mid- and late- eighties for other LoI representatives.

I hope I am never petty enough to criticise a team in Europe. Disappointed maybe but wouldn't hold a performance against their fans.
Poor performance has led to perjorative language been used at LoI games in the past, this attitude and behaviour isn't acceptable to me.

[pineapple stu]

What part of "don't be offended" is tricky?

It's clearly for discussion purposes only, not to have digs.

[Battery Rover]

Athlone Town scored four goals in the European Cup first round in 1983 (2-3. 2-8).


Just a couple of notable events in this game

Anthony "Jelly" Keenan made his Athlone Town debut in the first leg.

Derek Carroll missed a penalty for Athlone Town in the home leg. No one every remembers that one only the Minnock miss against Milan.

The man himself Roddy Collins who was just newly signed by Athlone was very impressive in both legs of this game. He scored in both the home and away legs.

In the second leg Athlone got the worst possible start when they went one behind after 50 seconds.

[dancinpants]

I'm offended that you chose to reverse the fixture on a number of the matches. Is this winding up?


Aye, I even tried to wind myself up by suggesting Derry were beat 4-0 at home. :rolleyes:

I just put up teams' (that are relevant today) worst results in Europe. It just so happens that UCD's "worst" result was 1-0. Had it been a worst performances list UCD wouldn't have been on it, nor a few others. I should have made it clearer that it was results not necessarily performances my list referred to.

[TonyD]

In terms of Pats results. I'd rate the win over Elfsborg as our best. Much better than the draw in Celtic Park, which was ultimately worthless. Winning ties is just so much more fun. :D I'd even rate beating Ghent 3-1 at Richmond in the Inter toto and going out on away goals as better than the Celtic result.

As for Z****u. :o Yeah, that's still a horrible embarressment. Even almost a decade later I can still remember the numb feeling coming out of Richmond Park that night. As low as I've ever felt(or hope ever to feel) after a game of football.