James McCarthy M Celtic b.1990

**Stuttgart88** · 12/09/2011, 3:06 PM

Seriously, no messing around with Andorra like it's a friendly. They play on a ploughed field where Russia only won 1-0.

**the bear** · 12/09/2011, 3:08 PM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Seriously, no messing around with Andorra like it's a friendly. They play on a ploughed field where Russia only won 1-0.

do you mean with me suggesting Fahey and Mccarhty CM? Surely messing around would be playing 2 screening players in cm against minnows like andorra

**Stuttgart88** · 12/09/2011, 3:16 PM

Yes, I was. I'm not saying Fahey would be messing, but JMcC probably would and both of them together definitely would.

I'm not showing Andorra too much respect - I'm showing us a total lack of it!

**the bear** · 12/09/2011, 3:24 PM

Fahey should start everygame, mccarthy needs a chance to prove himself soon so he can become a serious option, whelan and andrews aren't even good screening midfielders.

in the bigger picture whats the point in him making any changes if hes just gonna bring whelan and andrews back for armenia anyway

**Dunners** · 12/09/2011, 3:37 PM

Gents - Trap wont make any changes for the remaining games unless its forced upon him, we now know that much about him

If it was up to me then McCarthy would be in the first team line up but unfortunatly its not. So we will have to wait a while longer to see young James in the first team

**mark12345** · 13/09/2011, 1:13 AM

Originally Posted by Dunners

Gents - Trap wont make any changes for the remaining games unless its forced upon him, we now know that much about him

If it was up to me then McCarthy would be in the first team line up but unfortunatly its not. So we will have to wait a while longer to see young James in the first team

Spot on. And what does all that tell us? It tells us that no matter what Trap is advised to do, he is his own man and makes his own decisions.

He has been advised by everyone with a pulse that Whelan and Andrews are not upto it for international football. But he is right and we are all wrong! They are 'his' players and good luck to him if he can prove us all wrong. But if we don't qualify then he should be held accountable.

There are better options than Whelan and Andrews, Fahey and McCarthy being just two of them.

**ArdeeBhoy** · 13/09/2011, 1:39 AM

Absolutely.

Like Trap would even consider the fans opinions for a nano-second.

Though suppose will afford some begrudging respect for that. But remain deeply unconvinced by some of his tactics.

**cufc champions** · 13/09/2011, 8:07 AM

While Trap needs to listen to our opinions, James McCarthy has to listen to Trap and turn up for friendlies that is how anyone new has broken into the team over the last two campaigns. Trap needs to trust James in his system before he will trust him into the action in a compeititive game.

**Stuttgart88** · 13/09/2011, 9:08 AM

Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Absolutely.

Like Trap would even consider the fans opinions for a nano-second.

Though suppose will afford some begrudging respect for that. But remain deeply unconvinced by some of his tactics.

AB,

I'm not sure Trap has any need to listen to the fans. You're not alone in having reservations about tactics. We're not blind, nor are we stupid.

It's a results business and the glass is half full in that regard. We seem incapable of beating the decent teams but we don't lose to them (much) and we are good at skipping over the many banana skins put in our way.

I think where you are in the minority is not wanting us to qualify. I'd gladly qualify and lose all 3 group games emphatically, rather than go for another campaign without tangible benefit. If we did qualify I could see us doing a NZ in WC10, or at best a Slovakia 2010.

**Closed Account 2** · 13/09/2011, 9:33 AM

As it stands I wouldn't start McCarthy for either Andorra or Armenia, I might have him on the bench and bring him on, but I don't think he has the tactical discipline to win the ball or mark the opposition as well as Fahey or Whelan or Andrews. I think a lot of people seem to see James McCarthy as some sort of panacea, he has the potential to be a very good player for us, but I don't see him as automatic starter for us at the moment.

**Murfinator** · 13/09/2011, 11:56 AM

McCarthy has been poor in his previous international cameos, has a questionable attitude and his form this season for Wigan has been diabolical. He's coasting on reputation and potential at the moment. Wouldn't have him anywhere near the squad right now, should be a priority for the next friendly fixtures to try him out.

**Charlie Darwin** · 13/09/2011, 12:39 PM

Shouldn't be anywhere near the squad but should be a priority for friendlies... so your solution to a player with questionable attitude is to send him mixed signals?

**passinginterest** · 13/09/2011, 1:11 PM

Hasn't he been dropped by Wigan recently? I think the least he needs to be doing is playing well for his club again before we can start demanding he starts crucial qualifiers. Fahey is probably ahead of him to come in alongside Whelan or Andrews if Trap does decide to put a more attacking option in the middle.

**Fixer82** · 13/09/2011, 4:29 PM

Lads where is Paul Green gone these days??

**theworm2345** · 13/09/2011, 4:40 PM

Originally Posted by Fixer82

Lads where is Paul Green gone these days??

Had a serious knee injury towards the end of the season.

**Charlie Darwin** · 13/09/2011, 4:41 PM

Yeah, he had surgery during the summer and is expected to miss most of the season, if not all.

**Paddy Garcia** · 13/09/2011, 7:39 PM

Originally Posted by passinginterest

Hasn't he been dropped by Wigan recently? I think the least he needs to be doing is playing well for his club again before we can start demanding he starts crucial qualifiers. Fahey is probably ahead of him to come in alongside Whelan or Andrews if Trap does decide to put a more attacking option in the middle.

Is Fahey now a starter for Birmingham then?

**tetsujin1979** · 13/09/2011, 7:53 PM

Fahey's out following an operation, McCarthy starts tonight for Wigan against Palace in the league cup

**IsMiseSean** · 13/09/2011, 8:24 PM

Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

McCarthy starts tonight for Wigan against Palace in the league cup

Currently 2-0 to Palace. Darren Ambrose on the scoresheet, wasn't he suppose to be declaring for us at one point?

**ArdeeBhoy** · 14/09/2011, 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

AB,

I'm not sure Trap has any need to listen to the fans. You're not alone in having reservations about tactics. We're not blind, nor are we stupid.

It's a results business and the glass is half full in that regard. We seem incapable of beating the decent teams but we don't lose to them (much) and we are good at skipping over the many banana skins put in our way.

I think where you are in the minority is not wanting us to qualify. I'd gladly qualify and lose all 3 group games emphatically, rather than go for another campaign without tangible benefit. If we did qualify I could see us doing a NZ in WC10, or at best a Slovakia 2010.

Don't think I ever said didn't want us to qualify, just the manner in which were, er, going about this.

Though would put infinitely more value on reaching the WCF's over the Euros.
To the extent would have swapped being robbed last year for the next 3 European Championships.

However, by 2016, would almost expect us to qualify for the Euro Finals whilst they have 24 teams...

Whether JMcC & various others can assist in all of this is another matter. Especially under the current regime, or similar!