Conor Clifford

**Uncle_Joe** · 18/09/2012, 2:20 PM

Originally Posted by tricky_colour

But you also need some natural ability, will power alone won't do it.
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I would hold Paul McShane up as an example of succeeding through will power all alone

**jbyrne** · 18/09/2012, 4:06 PM

Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

McClean, in spite of what you might call his loose tongue on social media and networking sites, has terrific self-discipline with regard to his fitness. He doesn't drink at all and I'm sure I recall Stephen Kenny advising him to cut down on his nightly jogging whilst at Derry, in case he overdid it. So, he did it behind Kenny's back instead.

how do these two things sit together?
If your manager wants you to avoid over doing it then the player should listen and obey.

**Olé Olé** · 18/09/2012, 4:27 PM

Originally Posted by jbyrne

how do these two things sit together?
If your manager wants you to avoid over doing it then the player should listen and obey.

I would have thought that external discipline and self-discipline are completely different things and need not sit together. Just because McClean was told not to do something still means he can do that very thing in a disciplined manner i.e. self-disciplined.

**Carrigaline** · 18/09/2012, 7:04 PM

Clifford has returned to Chelsea.

http://www.chichester.co.uk/sport/fo...tman-1-4271136

**SwanVsDalton** · 18/09/2012, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by jbyrne

how do these two things sit together?
If your manager wants you to avoid over doing it then the player should listen and obey.

It depends. I'm not sure if it came from Kenny, but the story I heard involved the Derry coaching staff/physios advising him against doing solo road work in pre-season. Afaik, he cut down but didn't cut it out. They advised him against it in case he got injured. But he didn't - he only got fitter and better. And there was a feeling of 'well, we can advise him against it but we can't really tell a player to stop working hard'.

**tetsujin1979** · 22/11/2012, 3:05 PM

gone on loan to Crawley Town until January: https://twitter.com/crawleytown/stat...44861806026752

Conor Clifford has joined the club on loan from Chelsa until January 5th.

Short article on Crawley's site confirming the move: http://www.crawleytownfc.com/news/ar...rd-500804.aspx

**tommy_c12000** · 22/11/2012, 4:36 PM

Actually delighted to see that. Good move for him. They are a team on the up in League One in comparison to the previous teams (Plymouth, Yeovil I think off hand) he joined who were struggling in League one at the time. Hope it goes well for him.

**nigel-harps1954** · 22/11/2012, 5:13 PM

You'd be fairly disappointed he couldn't get a Championship side at least though.

**Charlie Darwin** · 22/11/2012, 5:19 PM

I thought that's where he'd be at this stage of his development but after it didn't work out at his other L1 clubs you can see why Championship clubs wouldn't be keen.

**tommy_c12000** · 22/11/2012, 5:21 PM

Agreed. But it's been a while since he has had regular first team football of any sort. The last couple of loan moves haven't worked out. So at this stage it would be great if he does well during this loan spell at a strong League 1 side, start playing regular football again. Then hopefully in January he might have a couple of Championship teams interested in signing him until the end of the season

**tetsujin1979** · 22/11/2012, 8:15 PM

isn't there a limit in the number of loans you can have in one season? or is it in one calendar year?

**Charlie Darwin** · 22/11/2012, 8:22 PM

I think it's a maximum of three, but it only counts if you actually make an appearance.

**Crosby87** · 22/11/2012, 8:54 PM

He should change his name to Cliff Conor and maybe switch his luck around.
What is it that Tets always says? Never trust a man with two first names?

**theworm2345** · 22/11/2012, 9:20 PM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

I think it's a maximum of three, but it only counts if you actually make an appearance.

I'm not sure, but I think you can only turn out for three teams, so if you've appeared for the team you are contracted to you can only appear for two on loan. I think that is in a season rather than a year though.

I remember Jamie Devitt went out on loan three times during one season and each team he appeared for got relegated.

**tetsujin1979** · 22/11/2012, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by Crosby87

He should change his name to Cliff Conor and maybe switch his luck around.
What is it that Tets always says? Never trust a man with two first names?

Yeah, that's my catchphrase.

**Carrigaline** · 23/11/2012, 8:32 AM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

I thought that's where he'd be at this stage of his development but after it didn't work out at his other L1 clubs you can see why Championship clubs wouldn't be keen.

If you're viewed as being surplus to requirements at a League 1 team, then it's going to be hard to get a team a league up.

**Colbert Report** · 23/11/2012, 2:28 PM

Safe to call him just another bust at this stage I think.

**pineapple stu** · 23/11/2012, 4:10 PM

Yep; at 21, his career is over.

Give me strength.

**Olé Olé** · 23/11/2012, 4:41 PM

Billy Clarke has come into his best goal-scoring form in quite a while at Crawley, let's hope Clifford makes a breakthrough there also and use it as a platform. He's 21, but that's not that old for a central midfielder. Not everybody is James McCarthy.