Cork players on strike.

[NeilMcD]

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2008/0123/cork.html

What do people think of this.

[Rocky77]

I'm not much of a socialist so I don't have much sympathy for them. There were two votes at county board level regarding the selector situation and both were overwhelmingly passed.

It's hard not to feel bad for Teddy Holland in all of this. He seemed the best bet to replace Morgan anyway and it looks like they've ruined his intercounty coaching career before it's started.

[Risteard]

Hmmmm.
Not that interested but I can see sympathy on both sides, well more the management than the boards but definitely the players.
The politicians on the board are some (actually ONE) of the worst characters you could come across.

[Dodge]

Amateurs, on a representative side, going oin strike because they don't like the people who've been asked to select them?

[Dunny]

GAA? meh couldnt give a flying ****

[Risteard]

Amateurs, on a representative side, going oin strike because they don't like the people who've been asked to select them?

It's more about the process by which the people were appointed.

I'm inclined to agree with dunny.

[Kingdom]

The players are going down a dangerous path, when the strike is stacked alongside the whole grant fiasco.
The players are disrepecting the one section of the GAA that are more important than them - the clubs.

It was the clubs who voted on this....and voted unamimously if I remember correctly. So in a way the players are taking a stance against the very people who keep the GAA alive.

Its hard to feel sympathy for them, in fact I'd feel sorry for this dutch guy. He is by all accounts a good manager but its hard to see his intercounty career ever taking off now. I don't believe either that its just about the managers picking the selectors, definitely with the footballers. I think they knew Morgan was going to be dumped.
The funny thing is Morgan cost them the All-Ireland final as far as I'm concerned.
He changed a winning team for the Final by bringing an obviously unfit Masters back, and dropped Daniel Goulding I think?

[Superhoops]

The players are going down a dangerous path, when the strike is stacked alongside the whole grant fiasco.
The players are disrepecting the one section of the GAA that are more important than them - the clubs.

It was the clubs who voted on this....and voted unamimously if I remember correctly. So in a way the players are taking a stance against the very people who keep the GAA alive......

This is the most important aspect of this whole saga. If players ever become bigger than the clubs, then the GAA is ruined.

If these guys don't want to play for Cork under a democratically constituted and mandated system then let them fu*k off with themselves.

What is it with guys from Cork? RMK?, SI?

[rambler14]

I'm sick of it. I can't understand why they don't just send out a team of intermediate players. Imokilly would do.

[sullanefc]

The players are disrepecting the one section of the GAA that are more important than them - the clubs.

It was the clubs who voted on this....and voted unamimously if I remember correctly. So in a way the players are taking a stance against the very people who keep the GAA alive.

Its hard to feel sympathy for them, in fact I'd feel sorry for this dutch guy. He is by all accounts a good manager but its hard to see his intercounty career ever taking off now.

I don't really give a fig either way, but I'm a little bit surprised by some of the posts above.

For the record I'm with the players on this.

My 2 cents:

1. You say the GAA would be nothing without the clubs?? Well how would it get on without players?? Not well I'd imagine. No other self repspecting Cork footballer will cross the picket line and pull on the red jersey during this strike. So until it is resolved, no Cork teams this year.

2. Having the county board select the selectors is flawed management. How would any of you feel if the board of your football(soccer) club were selecting the managers backroom team or even the team itself? It wouldn't work.

3. The appointment of this Holland chap seems to me like a puppet manager who is not going to rock the boat and will go along with whatever selectors the board lump him with.

4. A lot of people down here think that the vote by the clubs on this issue was dubious to begin with.

5. GAA is stupid.

[Superhoops]

I don't really give a fig either way, but I'm a little bit surprised by some of the posts above.

For the record I'm with the players on this.

My 2 cents:

1. You say the GAA would be nothing without the clubs?? Well how would it get on without players?? Not well I'd imagine. No other self repspecting Cork footballer will cross the picket line and pull on the red jersey during this strike. So until it is resolved, no Cork teams this year.

2. Having the county board select the selectors is flawed management. How would any of you feel if the board of your football(soccer) club were selecting the managers backroom team or even the team itself? It wouldn't work.

3. The appointment of this Holland chap seems to me like a puppet manager who is not going to rock the boat and will go along with whatever selectors the board lump him with.

4. A lot of people down here think that the vote by the clubs on this issue was dubious to begin with.

5. GAA is stupid.

Rebels by name and nature and for the sake of it

[rambler14]

Adolf Murphy or Frank Hitler whatever ya wanna call him will never give up his dictatorship of the Cork County Board so I don't see the situation being resolved anytime soon.

[NeilMcD]

I don't really give a fig either way, but I'm a little bit surprised by some of the posts above.

For the record I'm with the players on this.

My 2 cents:

1. You say the GAA would be nothing without the clubs?? Well how would it get on without players?? Not well I'd imagine. No other self repspecting Cork footballer will cross the picket line and pull on the red jersey during this strike. So until it is resolved, no Cork teams this year.

2. Having the county board select the selectors is flawed management. How would any of you feel if the board of your football(soccer) club were selecting the managers backroom team or even the team itself? It wouldn't work.

3. The appointment of this Holland chap seems to me like a puppet manager who is not going to rock the boat and will go along with whatever selectors the board lump him with.

4. A lot of people down here think that the vote by the clubs on this issue was dubious to begin with.

5. GAA is stupid.

Agree with the post above. Not sure why people are posting on a thread with points like I dont give a shi t about GAA etc etc.

The players are dead right on this.

[sullanefc]

Rebels by name and nature and for the sake of it

For the sake of it??? Are you serious?? You think the players are doing it for the craic?? Just to be troublesom.

The players are dead right on this.

I agree.

[deecay]

GAA? meh couldnt give a flying ****

Great to see theres smart people still about

[Superhoops]

For the sake of it??? Are you serious?? You think the players are doing it for the craic?? Just to be troublesom. ....

I don't profess to know all the details of this but I guess that under the constitution of the Cork County board, democratically elected by the clubs at their annual county convention, the selectors for the county teams are elected/nominated by the Board.

If that is the case, players who make themselves available for selection do so knowing that is the set-up. If they don't like it, then they have the choice of not making themselves available at all or playing on but looking at changing the system through their own clubs and the constitution of the County Board.

Similarly, if someone puts themselves up for selection as the team manager, they do so knowing their selectors are elected/nominated by the County Board. If they don't want to work under that system, then similar to the players they have the choice of not putting themselves forward in the first place or taking on the job and looking at changing the system through their own clubs and the constitution of the County Board. I assume Teddy Holland took on the job knowing the conditions.

If the players don't want to play for Teddy Holland or any other manager, then they are under no contractual obligation to do so and should just clear off.

I am sure I read somewhere that football squad, speaking through a spokesman insisted that they would not line out for the county until Holland resigned because they believe he was wrongly appointed while the squad was still on strike. Who the fu*k do they think they are?

Interestingly enough although they were on strike, they still made themselves available for the trip to South America, an event I assume was organised and paid for by the same County Board they are striking against. Sheer hypocrisy .

[rambler14]

Teddy Holland=Frank Murphy's whipping boy

[micls]

I don't profess to know all the details of this but I guess that under the constitution of the Cork County board, democratically elected by the clubs at their annual county convention, the selectors for the county teams are elected/nominated by the Board.

If that is the case, players who make themselves available for selection do so knowing that is the set-up. If they don't like it, then they have the choice of not making themselves available at all or playing on but looking at changing the system through their own clubs and the constitution of the County Board.

Similarly, if someone puts themselves up for selection as the team manager, they do so knowing their selectors are elected/nominated by the County Board. If they don't want to work under that system, then similar to the players they have the choice of not putting themselves forward in the first place or taking on the job and looking at changing the system through their own clubs and the constitution of the County Board. I assume Teddy Holland took on the job knowing the conditions.

If the players don't want to play for Teddy Holland or any other manager, then they are under no contractual obligation to do so and should just clear off.

I am sure I read somewhere that football squad, speaking through a spokesman insisted that they would not line out for the county until Holland resigned because they believe he was wrongly appointed while the squad was still on strike. Who the fu*k do they think they are?

Interestingly enough although they were on strike, they still made themselves available for the trip to South America, an event I assume was organised and paid for by the same County Board they are striking against. Sheer hypocrisy .

Firstly the 'vote' to change the rule and remove the power of managers was brought at a meeting when the clubs werent made aware of it beforehand, so only the delegates had to vote on it in front of the quite intimidating board. The whole thing has stunk from the start and many think it was simply a way to get rid of the football manager.

Its a bad system and will only be detrimental to the players and team. The players have a right to express their opinions on this, its them and their county it will affect.

Before Holland was appointed, the players asked that no one take the job while the dispute was ongoing as they didnt want to make the issue personal. Holland 'crossed the picket' and therefore the players reacted as such.

These players want to play for their county, but the county board down here care more about having 'the power' than being successful.

The players have said that they will put the strike on hold and line out if the county board agrees to revisit this issue when the season ends, sending the clubs information and voting on the issue again. The county board have refused.

I would be shocked if any player in Cork would play while this is happening.

There was a great interview from Sean Og yesterday, saying what a lot of people down here think. Comparing the County board to the politiboro and calling for the resignation of Frank the dictator Murphy.

If things were bad before the **** is really going to hit the fan now.

[Superhoops]

Firstly the 'vote' to change the rule and remove the power of managers was brought at a meeting when the clubs werent made aware of it beforehand, so only the delegates had to vote on it in front of the quite intimidating board. The whole thing has stunk from the start and many think it was simply a way to get rid of the football manager.

I think you are 'spinning' this by not telling the whole story.

In October the clubs voted to remove the right of team managers to pick their own selectors. 4 weeks later the hurlers and football issued their first statement expressing their dissatisfaction. Gerald McCarthy asked for the clubs to be given the chance to vote again. The players wrote to every club outlining their case and asking for support to change the system that had been voted for in October. A week later, on 20 November, 112 clubs delegates voted again by a majority of over 2 to 1 to retain the system they had voted for in October.

If the players wrote to each club I can't see how you can say they weren't aware of it. Over 100 delegates voted, more than voted the first time round. By any measure, the outcome of the vote not to change the original decision was pretty decisive.

....Before Holland was appointed, the players asked that no one take the job while the dispute was ongoing as they didnt want to make the issue personal. Holland 'crossed the picket' and therefore the players reacted as such.

They asked and the County Board ignored them because the clubs made the same decision twice.

These players want to play for their county...

Then they should get on and play.

The players have said that they will put the strike on hold and line out if the county board agrees to revisit this issue when the season ends, sending the clubs information and voting on the issue again. The county board have refused.

Haven't the County Board already revisited the issue and haven't the clubs had the information from the players?

All sounds like the players saying we will not let this go away until we get our own way and even though the clubs voted against it, fu*k them, we are bigger then the clubs and know better. Arrogance of the highest order, but what else would you expect.

[Risteard]

BreakingNews.ie- Players fail to accept proposals.
Players met alone in town tonight and rejected what had been proposed last night.


. . . . . . .. . . . . While this document was said to have offered both sides a better deal, it still recommended that Cork Senior football manager Teddy Holland continue in his post. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

You'd think he'd have stepped down by now.
What kind of satisfaction would he get out of the job at this stage?

. . . . . . . . .Despite the efforts by former Player Welfare Manager Pauric Duffy and the LRC Chief, relations between the County Board and the Players are said to have now reach an all-time low, as this dispute worsens. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

It's a pretty clear-cut stalemate.
Holland goes or he doesn't.


Ah well, might throw a hundred or so on to the gates at the Cross.