QuoteYep. Hopefully we can make our debutOriginally Posted by David
Am I correct in saying that the Eircom entrants are now Shels, Derry, Drogheda and St Pats if they win the cup, Cork if Derry win it?
Yep. Hopefully we can make our debut
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Would be good to have a new club in it although to be honest I do fancy a wee trip to Cork. Have wanted to draw them in the previous two competitions.
Not having a go at Pats - but Cork are clearly a much stronger side, so would be better for the league if they made it through instead.
Plus - they have a better ground and a larger fan base, so the TV spectacle would be better if it involved Cork instead as well.
Not looking to WUM, so please don't take this the wrong way.
from the 2007 Setanta Cup Regulations:
Entry Process
The Tournament shall be on invitational basis only and invitations shall be issued by
both Associations to four clubs under their jurisdiction taking into account the following sporting criteria listed in order of priority:
Clubs under the jurisdiction of the FAI:
· 2006 season Premier Division League championship winners.
· 2006 season FAI Cup winners. In the event of a club winning the Premier Division League championship and the FAI Cup, then the runner-up club in the FAI Cup shall be invited.
· 2006 season League Cup winners.
· 2006 season Premier Division League championship runners-up.
In the event of a club(s) qualifying to receive an invitation under two or more of the above listed criteria or a club(s) failing to meet other specified criteria in the regulations, then the invitation(s) shall be issued to the next highest placed club(s) in the final 2006 season Premier Division League championship table.
Clubs under the jurisdiction of the IFA:
· 2005/06 season Premier Division League championship winners.
· 2006 IFA Cup winners. In the event of a club winning the Premier Division League championship and the IFA Cup, then the runner-up club in the IFA Cup shall be invited.
· 2005/06 season CIS Cup winners.
· 2005/06 season Premier Division League championship runners-up.
In the event of a club(s) qualifying to receive an invitation under two or more of the above listed criteria or a club(s) failing to meet other specified criteria in the regulations, then the invitation(s) shall be issued to the next highest placed club(s) in the final 2005/06 season Premier Division League championship table.
So Pats have to win the Cup to make Setanta.
D'oh - even more incentive for them now.....
Out of curiousity, do Cork fans travel in numbers. Other than Derry, the visiting crowds from EL at Windsor have been quite poor although I do accept there is not the same attitude to travelling to away games in the EL that there is in the Irish League.
I know you're not WUMing steve but surely you'd wait to see what squad Cork will have next year (or Manager) before saying they'll be better than Pats. If Pats win the cup we're a far more appealing team to join for the flaoting Dublin player...
Plus it'll get stale if the same teams qualify every year. It might be bad for the el if we get it but it;ll be good for the tournament. I'm fairly sure we'd bring more to the North thatn Cork too
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Forgive my ignorance, but what part of Dublin is St Pats in?
Inchicore. Central South-West Dublin, I believe.
A rather deprived area, to be fair.
Inchicore. About 30 minutes walk from city centre (westwards). 10-15 minutes from Hueston Station if you've ever been there
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while Cork are far better team than us over the last few years in terms of consistency you have to factor in the head to head record - which is even this season
1 win 1 draw 1 loss
we'd be ahead on GD with our 2-0 win over Cork compared to their slender 0-1 win.
So its not as if they're streets ahead or anything. On balance Setanta is crying out for a Pats team and the north and south needs a strong St Pats
Derry did NOT win the League2006 season FAI Cup winners. In the event of a club winning the Premier Division League championship and the FAI Cup, then the runner-up club in the FAI Cup shall be invited
Pats will not be asked as runner up if they go by the rules.
They will probably do what they did last season and offer the remaining places on your league finish.
The 4 best teams do not include St Pats so heres hoping for a Derry win in the cup.
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Deprived of what exactly Steve? or is that A WUM
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You know it makes sense
Plus there's the little matter of 40 years without a cup win. Plenty of incentive there.
Out for a spell, got neglected, lay on the bench unselected.
Socially deprived.Deprived of what exactly Steve? or is that A WUM
Not WUMming, as I know the Brandywell is equally or more deprived as an area.
I see the draw is on the 7th December so not long to wait now to see who we all get. Genuinely not a dig at Derry but I do hope we avoid them. Limited tickets and a nightmare to attend (all no fault of the club I know). Would love to get Drogs and Cork if they make it. If not Pats would do, never been there. Again in all seriousness, is there any danger of Shels not being able to compete due to their problems?
id say shels will be able to compete etc
the only issue is if any one out of contract will walk - given that they know they are not guaranteed fixed regular income at shels
Fair point on the strength of teams once seaosn starts, but I would still expect Cork to be a stronger side than Pats. Any decent players floating around in Dublin will go to Bohs or Shels, or wherever Fenlon goes, rather than Inchicore. You don't have any money to sign many players either.
Agree with you on this. But from a personal point of view, I also view the Setanta as an opportunity for the EL to banish myths about the similarity in standad between the EL and IL. Therefore, I'd like our strongest sides out to drive this point. Though I agree that we don't want it to get stale either.
Not sure I agree with you there. Despite being your first shot at a trophy in 3 years, your attendance at this years Cup Final will probably only be a third of what Cork brought to last years' final - despite the fact it's an easy trip across town for your supporters. Plus, Cork have a traditon of bringing decent numbers top away games (e.g. 400-500 to the Brandywell on Friday). I therefore can't see any evidence to support the notion of Pat's bringing more support to games in the north, even if your journey is shorter
what did cork bring to the last fai cup final?
was down in longford there on friday and from the pics on their clubhouse walls pats filled the east lower stand in 2003 - with a small over spill on the north terrace buckets
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