QuoteI don't think it will rock anyone's world if it does show that bit. It sounds like it is his opinion and he is hardly likely to have any evidence of such. Still, might watch it.Originally Posted by joeSoap
Sam worry over BBC probe Irish Indo
BOLTON manager Sam Allardyce has admitted his family are "concerned" about possible allegations in the BBC's Panorama investigation into football to be screened tomorrow.
Allardyce and his agent son Craig are understood to have been among those investigated by the programme.
The Bolton boss said: "We are concerned but at the moment, because I am linked with it, from a legal point of view, I cannot say any more than that.
"I will take a view after the programme has come out because I do not know what is in it."
The full allegations to be made in the programme, to be shown on BBC1 at 9pm tomorrow, are still unknown - indeed BBC lawyers are still poring over the footage.
What is definite is that Luton manager Mike Newell will name the agents he claims offered him a bung.
The Panorama investigation, called 'Undercover: Football's Dirty Secrets', is also set to make damaging allegations about at least one Premiership manager.
The programme will also show football agent Charles Collymore being secretly filmed telling investigators that "six to eight managers" who would be "definitely up for a bung" and he goes on to name managers and clubs - though it is not definite as to whether Panorama will publicise those names.
Portsmouth boss Harry Redknapp has already insisted he has nothing to fear from the programme, for which he was secretly filmed as well.
I don't think it will rock anyone's world if it does show that bit. It sounds like it is his opinion and he is hardly likely to have any evidence of such. Still, might watch it.
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A proper stitch-up job on Fat Sam. Good to see one of football's more odious characters get his comeuppance. He should do the decent thing and resign.
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I saw enough in that programme to convince me and I know enough about libel laws in the UK to know that the BBC would never have gone ahead in naming the fat **** without incontrovertible evidence. Add to the fact that Allardyce jnr suddenly returned his agent's licence to FIFA at the turn of this year. In the face of all that are you seriously defending Allardyce snr from the allegations?
Last edited by Plastic Paddy; 19/09/2006 at 9:15 PM.
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Then why splash his name all over it in such an overt fashion? Sorry, I don't buy that, because he wasn't filmed stuffing fifty pound notes into his pocket, he's not guilty. I imagine the football authorities might well take a dim view too.Funny thing they didn't include any evidence against him in the 60 minutes broadcast then
Could you be any more patronising in your tone?Like I said earlier, the BBC clearly would never have gone to broadcast without proper backing. In case it needs spelling out for you, the UK is home to among the world's toughest libel laws and such identification, whether directly (as in this case) or by implication would soon have m'learned friends reaching for their pens. There simply is no way that he would have been named were there no evidence to substantiate the claim. I guess we'll see for sure in the days and weeks to come.
Last edited by Plastic Paddy; 19/09/2006 at 9:32 PM.
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I think it looks fairly bad for Sam.
I think Chelsea can expect to need to pick up three more points than they'd planned on and I think Liverpool are heading for the same yellow card Chelsea are currently on for 'Tapping up' ...maybe Newcastle too if they (Panorama) have more than yer man just claiming he'd the Middlesboro kids parents 'round his house to meet Newcastle United people.
" I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"
I have to say that some of the conclusions drawn in that programme were a bit tenuous. For example, the reporter phoned Allardyce's son asking if Big Sam knew about all the dealings he had ever done at Bolton and he said "yes". Then they proved he had been involved with dodgy dealings and shot straight to the conclusion that Allardyce was, because of his son's comments, aware of these dealings. As a maths graduate, I see a massive hole in that logic. I'm not defending Sam but there was an element of shoddy journalism in that program
Certainly no smoking run for Harry & just a little bit for Big Sam.
The BBC obviously had to be careful what they broadcast & was interesting that i think they had people say that a lot of Premiership managers were corrupt. Clearly the opinion of one person was not enough to broadcast without proof.
I think the programme suggested enough to say that more people corrupt than not in football. I don't expect the FA to do much eventhough it deserves a criminal investigation for fraud or at the very least tax fraud.
No doubt that it raises suspicions that only idiots didn't have. But any conclusive proof? Nope
I reckon there was footage which wasn't shown for legality purposes and will be sent on to the FA?!
According to that waste of an hour last night, neither club did anything wrong. An Agent touted a player behind Boro's back, Liverpool and Chelsea have nothing to fear.
It was interesting but I saw nothing in there that could be viewed as "damning".
Certainly showed Big Sam up to look like he is dodgy. I was expecting Harry Redknapp to be made to look bad but he did nothing wrong except say that he would take Andy Todd of Blackburn. Going by the letter of the law it's against the rules but surely the F.A. don't think that other players are not mentioned by managers and agents alike??
How else do transfers come about!
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Rednapp actually came across as a friendly down to earth bloke although the phone call with Kevin Bond sounded well dodgey.I thought what the programme showed was the kind of Goldrush, grab it while its going culture
which exists in a barely regulated market, bit like the property markket here.
The problem is not just with illegal bungs but an industry which attracts hordes of chancers who take money of supporters and out of the game.Legal does not mean ethical and the whole thing needs changing.
The dutch guy -an employee of Chelsea (academy manger?) who appears to have executive officer status -talked sums with an agent about a player he knew to be on Boro's books. it's against the rules.
" I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"
Load of over-hyped sh!t really, I thought it was funny at the end when the reporter thought he was rumbled when the agent said somethin like "look at your button its gone all funny and red!" - pointing at the "hidden" camera.
Stupid cnut.
They only need worry if the Revenue decide to go after them for tax evasion. Otherwise the clubs will do nothing and who could blame them. Like him or not, Allardyce has done an excellent job at Bolton on limited resources.
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
Indeed what clown
I heard they had to take out some of the 'evidence' as it was wanted by the FA committee investigating bung charges, so I assume some of this has to do with Big Sam, who was the only one really named last night. As for the others:
We saw Harry Redknapp agree to a free holiday so he can talk to an agent about a few players (big deal)
Chelsea may be hit with a fine for offering cash for the player upfront alright, but thats all
Liverpool have nothing to fear, all they did was say that when the player turns pro they would be interested in talking to him and possibly signing him.
So really Big Sam is the only one that they have anything on, even though it isn't proof, having 3 agents, including your son, naming you as someone who has and will take bungs will rattle the Bolton managers cages. Maybe we could sound him out about a return to Limerick FC??
Oh and did anyone else audible groan when their deal to get a manager accepting money from them fell apart at the last minute? Kind of lost interest after that to be honest
Got to agree with the majority on here, over-hyped waste of an hour. No evidence other than a few small fry agents blowing their own trumpets about who they know in the game, possibly to impress Knut ( there's an anagram in the waiting) to get in with the imaginary big fish. No bank account details, no cash changing hands no anything worth commenting on. The suspicions and hear say are still there, but without proof that’s what they remain. I would be amazed if Sam A resigned.
Didn't Fergie have a similar arrangement with his son at Man U ?
Last edited by jjppc; 20/09/2006 at 5:44 PM.
Exactly. It was rubbish.
I was hoping that they were going to nail fathead but it was all tittle tattle nonsense really, well most of it.
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