Aiden McGeady M Ayr Utd b.1986

**Scram** · 31/08/2009, 3:19 PM

Originally Posted by an_ceannaire

Oh sweet mary Mother of God

Pathetic. I've called your bluff and now that's the best you can resort to !! Any other Irish player you want to disrespect?

**an_ceannaire** · 31/08/2009, 3:26 PM

Originally Posted by Scram

Pathetic. I've called your bluff and now that's the best you can resort to !! Any other Irish player you want to disrespect?

you think he was sent off by the referee because he is an Irish international playing for Celtic
tell me , yes or no, is that what you believe
Do you Scram think Aidan McGeady was dismissed by the ref because he is an Irish Celtic player............and not a Rangers Scottish player

**Colbert Report** · 31/08/2009, 3:28 PM

Nobody cares about Scottish football, it's crap compared to the EPL.

**an_ceannaire** · 31/08/2009, 3:35 PM

Originally Posted by Colbert Report

Nobody cares about Scottish football, it's crap compared to the EPL.

Agreed 100%

**eirebhoy** · 31/08/2009, 3:46 PM

Hughes was defending him after the game.

"I'm the opposition manager, I want to see him doing his stuff and see if my boys can handle him."

Mowbray said he feels McGeady probably tired after running 50 yards and beating a couple of tackles.

**irishfan86** · 01/09/2009, 11:11 PM

Just watched the game there.

Pretty clear dive and I've got no problem with the sending off.

**eirebhoy** · 01/09/2009, 11:33 PM

I wouldn't agree. He certainly wasn't forced to the ground from contact but he didn't cheat. He was about to have his feet taken from under him. There's no doubt about that. He jumped to the ground before the contact. Now he didn't jump to the ground to gain an advantage. He was at the half way line. He just instinctively got out of the way of the challenge.

The booking is there for conning the ref, cheating, which McGeady certainly wasn't trying to do imo.

**osarusan** · 02/09/2009, 9:42 AM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Teletext says it was harsh. In general I think even if there was no contact it doesn't automatically mean it's a dive - and more often than not I think it should be a foul. Often you're dodging the contact - that's why you go down.

I saw the game, and I thought at the time, as I still do, that it was a dive.

I can see what you are saying Stuttgart88, but if you makes rules like that, what more can a defender do? A defender starts to make a tackle, then realises he won't get the ball, and pulls out of it (completely or partly)- and might still have a foul given against him? What more can a defender do?

You're going to get into questions of whether a player was simply avoiding a tackle or trying to win a free kick, and that is impossible to judge.

**eirebhoy** · 02/09/2009, 9:54 AM

Originally Posted by osarusan

I can see what you are saying Stuttgart88, but if you makes rules like that, what more can a defender do? A defender starts to make a tackle, then realises he won't get the ball, and pulls out of it (completely or partly)- and might still have a foul given against him? What more can a defender do?

In this case I wouldn't have given a foul. I'd give a Hibs throw. But there's no doubt if McGeady didn't go to ground he was about to have his feet taken from under him. So it's only natural for McGeady to avoid the challenge and possible injury, we don't even decide that it's just instinct. But I definitely wouldn't give a foul against Hibs.

**osarusan** · 02/09/2009, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by eirebhoy

But there's no doubt if McGeady didn't go to ground he was about to have his feet taken from under him. So it's only natural for McGeady to avoid the challenge and possible injury, we don't even decide that it's just instinct.

It is a difficult one, because saying there must be contact means that a player must run the risk of getting injured. But saying there need not be contact makes a defender's job incredibly difficult.

**geysir** · 02/09/2009, 10:25 AM

From a tacklers perspective Paul Hanlon

"I saw McGeady run at me at a fair pace and thought about tackling him but he took a heavy touch and I managed to get my body out of the way.
"Obviously he was running at a decent speed and maybe lost his footing. But the referee saw it as a dive and that's a booking, so he had to go.
"I felt I didn't touch him. I tried my best to keep my body out of the way and it was then up to the ref to decide. If he saw it as a dive then it's a sending off.
"If I'd been booked for that I'd have been gutted but the ref's got a hard job to do when a game is being played at 100 miles an hour.
"However, I felt he made the right decision at the time even though I'd forgotten about McGeady's yellow card in the first half.
"He's not a cheat. He was running at a fair pace, took that heavy touch and I just managed to get my body out of the way.

**tetsujin1979** · 02/09/2009, 11:05 AM

I reckon McGeady anticipated the tackle, and avoided it to not get completely creamed, but Hanlon had already pulled out of it so no contact was made.

**shakermaker1982** · 02/09/2009, 11:06 AM

He dived IMO. McGeady would have kicked up one hell of a fuss if it wasn't. Eboue reacted in the same manner after he tried to con the ref Saturday evening.

**jbyrne** · 02/09/2009, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by Colbert Report

Nobody cares about Scottish football, it's crap compared to the EPL.

and who cares about the EPL? over-hyped playboy nonsense, with one or two exceptions

**eirebhoy** · 02/09/2009, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by shakermaker1982

He dived IMO. McGeady would have kicked up one hell of a fuss if it wasn't. Eboue reacted in the same manner after he tried to con the ref Saturday evening.

An instinctive dive then. McGeady would be completely anti-diving and would never even stay on the ground too long when fouled. As long as McGeady isn't seen as a cheat that's all I really care about.

Originally Posted by jbyrne

and who cares about the EPL? over-hyped playboy nonsense, with one or two exceptions

I was hoping someone wouldn't bite...

**Duggie** · 02/09/2009, 12:52 PM

mcgeady is no cheat - im a very happy man to see him wearing the green jersey.

**Scram** · 02/09/2009, 2:27 PM

Originally Posted by Duggie

mcgeady is no cheat - im a very happy man to see him wearing the green jersey.

Absolutely, and screw the Anti-Celt prejudiced begrudgers.

**Razors left peg** · 02/09/2009, 4:18 PM

Theres no doubt McGeady went to ground too easily, something which Duffer has done for years.But I think thats the first time Ive ever seen anyone claiming he dived. There was a hell of alot of difference between that and Eduardo, who bent his right knee in such a way that it made it look to the referee that his leg was clipped by the keeper, that in my opinion is blatent cheating.

**Stuttgart88** · 02/09/2009, 5:23 PM

Originally Posted by osarusan

I saw the game, and I thought at the time, as I still do, that it was a dive.

I can see what you are saying Stuttgart88, but if you makes rules like that, what more can a defender do? A defender starts to make a tackle, then realises he won't get the ball, and pulls out of it (completely or partly)- and might still have a foul given against him? What more can a defender do?

You're going to get into questions of whether a player was simply avoiding a tackle or trying to win a free kick, and that is impossible to judge.

I'm also referring referring to when a player starts to make a tackle - a sliding tackle - and continues to make it yet still misses the ball, but causing the attacking player to lose control or dive to avoid the contact. That's a 100% foul in my opinion. Go to ground, miss the ball and the ref is entitled to give a free all the time.

Remember Duff is Suwon? Puyol (?) slid in and missed the ball, going straight through where duff was running. Duff was "smart" and made sure that there was contact but even without that it was a foul. The imperative is on a slide tackler to win the ball cleanly.

Lee dixon was on TV being asked about spurs' "foul" on Liverpool that would have earneda second penalty. Adrian Chiles asked when is it a foul or when is it a shoulder charge. Dixon's response was 2ah sure we all know you're not allowed to tackle anymore". ******. you're not allowed to tackle the way the english crowds love, but you are allowed to tackle. euro 2008 was a joy because there were no tackles from behind, only players using technique in both attack and defence. There was a noticable lack of aggression in tackling in that tournament.

Arsenal's new guy Vermaelen madea tackle - textbook tackle - on an Everton player. Everton guy tried to go around him, Vermealen stood up, stuick out a leg, got his foot to the ball, Everton guy fell over the ball, Vermaelen walked away in control of the ball. Beautiful. Also very rare sadly.

Tackling is a skill too, one that's not well taught around here, but one that UEFA's international refereees seem to appreciate in tournament finals and are encouraged to enfore according to UEFA rules.

Razor, Duff does go down easily but more often than not it's to make sure a free is awarded after a foul has taken place. Sure he could stay up, but then he risks not earning a free he has rightly won.

Rant over