QuoteThey are full time though ... our guys are part-time, i agree some of their shíte attitudes do not help at all but what can you do.Originally Posted by Paddyfield
I have been following the fortunes of Galway United since the early 1980's and have long accepted that referees are fickle. I don't expect them to get every decision correct ...which can go for or against my team. Referees are not athletes; they don't have eyes on the backs of their heads and they can make mistakes. Any one of us could list off a few dozen examples of inept refereeing.
However, my opinion changed on May 12th 2006 at Terryland Park. As part of a referee exchange programme with the Scottish FA, the ref for the Galway Utd game v Monaghan Utd was from Scotland. He was super fit, he let the game flow and spoke to the players when needed. He wasn't on an ego trip like some of the Irish refs.
If the truth be known, he was fitter than at least four or five of the players on the pitch.
Pity that his first experience of Irish football was a poorly attended, one sided game ( we won 6 - 2 ) on a heavily sanded pitch.
Based on this experience, we need more refs from Scotland to expose our dodgy ones.
Last edited by Paddyfield; 13/05/2006 at 10:35 PM.
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They are full time though ... our guys are part-time, i agree some of their shíte attitudes do not help at all but what can you do.
The SFAI are the governing body for grassroots football in Ireland, not the FAI. Its success or the lack of is all down to them.
We had a Scottish referee at United Park last season for a League game and I have to say I fully agree with Paddyfield. Some good NI refs in the Setanta Cup this season as well. Just wondering with clubs now going full-time , has the time come for the EL to employ full-time officials as well?
Did you think they were good? i thought the were brutal being honest, worse than ours .... and thats saying something !!
It has to happen, i'd love to see a situation were clubs fund the refs wages to get them full time, and get sponsorship aswell (like Specsavers) .... it will have to happen at sometime and the sooner the better.Just wondering with clubs now going full-time , has the time come for the EL to employ full-time officials as well?
The SFAI are the governing body for grassroots football in Ireland, not the FAI. Its success or the lack of is all down to them.
ref 4 de rovers game 2nite was desprete!
i mean sh!te
If you want to improve refereeing standards - up you get and referee yourself.
Referee standards in the league are better than people realise because fans are remarkably ignorant/biased about the rules of the game.
Anyone can tell the difference between good and bad refs so PS thats not true.
The Main flaw with EL refs is they cant keep pace with the game so constantly break it up.
Thats closely followed by half of them being on ego trips and the other half on european blazer trips.
The simple solution is assement by overseas referees.
We had a Scottish FA referee for our away game at Coleraine last January and he was poor. In the 1960s, very experienced, English, referees used to regularly come over for IL games and were excellent. It's a pity we can't bring them back, but the cost would be prohibitive!
We had a Scot refereeing us against Drogs last year and he was brutal.
The IFA ref we had againest Bray was actually pretty good and from a number of people i heard he was terrible in the IL, so maybe he was just looking to impress?? But he was the best ref in the Brandy i have seen in a long time.
Thankless job, no money would pay me to do it. Every decision you make is wrong according to one half of the spectators. You can only give what you see, so if a player gets a root up the rectum behind your back you can't do anything because you didn't see anything. No replays, how many times have you screamed at the box for a handball/ offside whatever only to realise you were completely wrong after a replay.
I never said there weren't good and bad refs. I said people are overly harsh on refs because they don't understand the rules themselves.
Ah, the good old knee-jerk reaction of "Everything's perfect in other countries". Let's bring in a few Italian refs, shall we? I'm sure Ollie would relish working with them!
He couldn't afford them so it would be fair.
Most conference refs in the UK are better thaan the Premier div. refs here. The old boys club stops anyone else who might be decent getting to this level.
What are you basing that on? Have you asked Conference fans for their views about refs? Are you suggesting we get in Conference refs for the eL? Do you think that Conference refs (or any other foreign refs) would be prepared to travel to Ireland on a Friday, using up holidays? Do you think clubs would be prepared to pay the extra expenses which would have to come with such a move? Do you think the extra cost would be in any way justified? Do you think the English FA (or any other foreign association) would allow their refs to ref elsewhere, thus reducing the quality of refs in the Conference and below?
Refs coming in from abroad is a silly idea, invariably badly thought-out (usually never thought-out, in fact) and I can't for the life of me understand why people bring it up.
Trust me Conference refs are also horrendous. During term time at uni in Manchester I go and see Droylsden in the Conference North. We get a few Conference refs throughout the season, and they are as bad as Stokes and co (well maybe not Stokes...).
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My two main problems with Referring in the eL imo...
1) The assesors are two close to the current ref's. There are part of the same gang, imo. How many times are ref's pulled up for poor performances. Even people sticking up for the ref's isn't going to suggest that every performance is top notch? And if there are warnings/ punishments they should be publicised as they are for players.
2) The lack of assistance from the linesmen. They fail to be the extra pair of eye's on the pitch. Whether this is a failing of them, or instruction from the ref's I'm not sure. For example, I've seen documentarys following ref's where they've been told not to contradict the ref, even if they've seen something differently. I can only assume this is prevalent in the eL. They sure as hell aren't concentrating on the offside decisions from what I can see.
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
Stu is right! Have you ever reffed? Have you ever read the rule book? Have you ever SEEN the rule book?
Educate yourselves first,
then you can argue about decisions.
Exactly. To which the answer, for myself, is yes, I have reffed. And it helps a great deal, as well as being good craic. (I've never seen the rule book though!)
Are you a referee?Stu is right! Have you ever reffed? Have you ever read the rule book? Have you ever SEEN the rule book?
Educate yourselves first,
then you can argue about decisions.
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btw see Pineapple Stu's and CuanaD posts as to why ref's assessing themselves doesn't work. They'll always stick up for their fellow ref's before looking objectively.
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