Trapattoni - who would you replace him with?

**brine3** · 02/10/2013, 4:46 PM

Originally Posted by back of the net

If Martin Jol gets the boot from Fulham as per suggested he might - he cud be well worth an option

Maybe Im wrong on this but was he rumoured to be in the running for the Job before?

Martin Jol is a bit of a chancer, the Dutch Harry Redknapp.

**Kingdom** · 03/10/2013, 8:32 AM

Originally Posted by Bungle

Houllier would have built a great team at Liverpool in my opinion,

I disagree totally with that.

**ArdeeBhoy** · 03/10/2013, 8:56 AM

Originally Posted by brine3

Martin Jol is a bit of a chancer, the Dutch Harry Redknapp.

Thought 'washed-up' Dutchmen were flavour of the month...no?

**Bungle** · 03/10/2013, 9:47 AM

Originally Posted by Kingdom

I disagree totally with that.

Fair enough. I guess we will never know.

I would say that the signings of Henchoz, Hyppia, Finnan and Hamann were all very good and astute. The Liverpool defence was probably the best in the league at the time. Things were moving in the right direction. Liverpool came quite close to winning the league in 2002 and that was when the Gunners had a great side.

Having said that he did spunk money on a load of fairly ****e players after the world cup in 2002.

Anyhow, I wouldn't go near him right now.

**ArdeeBhoy** · 03/10/2013, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by IsMiseSean

Has anyone sounded out Gerard Houllier yet?

He had to retire from mangt. for health reasons two years ago...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%A9rard_Houllier

**back of the net** · 03/10/2013, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by brine3

Martin Jol is a bit of a chancer, the Dutch Harry Redknapp.

A bit extreme surely!

What makes u think this?

**geysir** · 03/10/2013, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by back of the net

A bit extreme surely!

What makes u think this?

Extreme? Redknapp is a good manager with a very good record.
It's not an insult towards Jol to be compared with him, though Jol has a wider variety of experience.

**back of the net** · 03/10/2013, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by geysir

Extreme? Redknapp is a good manager with a very good record.
It's not an insult towards Jol to be compared with him, though Jol has a wider variety of experience.

I was referring to Jol been called a chancer by brine , nothing to do with Redknapp

**geysir** · 03/10/2013, 1:31 PM

Originally Posted by back of the net

I was referring to Jol been called a chancer by brine , nothing to do with Redknapp

In itself, brine calling some manager a chancer is utterly meaningless.

**Metrostars** · 03/10/2013, 4:59 PM

Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

He had to retire from mangt. for health reasons two years ago...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%A9rard_Houllier

Saw him from afar at Red Bull Arena in New Jersey a few weeks ago. He's the head guy for Red Bull's teams.

**brine3** · 03/10/2013, 7:04 PM

Don't know why people are so narky to each other on here, I thought we were all following the same international team!

**DeLorean** · 03/10/2013, 9:10 PM

What's makes you say Jol is a chancer?

**Grafter** · 03/10/2013, 9:23 PM

Whoever next manager is lets hope he doesn't become an ITV/BBC sofa sitter like Strachan and Coleman - I'd outlaw punditry while Ireland manager as it cheapens role IMO

**back of the net** · 03/10/2013, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by brine3

Don't know why people are so narky to each other on here, I thought we were all following the same international team!

Only speaking for myself but i was not been narky...i like martin jol, think he is a good manager, a good coach and a good man manager and i think he wud be good for ireland but thats just my opinion...you called him a chancer...this is a forum .,,,you made a comment .....so i am responding and asking...why is he a chancer?

**bennocelt** · 04/10/2013, 5:12 AM

Because some might think he is rubbish?

**back of the net** · 04/10/2013, 5:51 AM

Originally Posted by bennocelt

Because some might think he is rubbish?

thats not answering the question...

**brine3** · 04/10/2013, 8:22 AM

Originally Posted by back of the net

Only speaking for myself but i was not been narky...i like martin jol, think he is a good manager, a good coach and a good man manager and i think he wud be good for ireland but thats just my opinion...you called him a chancer...this is a forum .,,,you made a comment .....so i am responding and asking...why is he a chancer?

No bother, it wasn't your comment I was annoyed at.

I follow Ajax and I remember when Jol was manager. He was very much a "wheeler dealer" type manager who would bring in loads of random players based on past reputation, most of whom didn't work out. Tactically he wasn't very strong either.

He's one of those managers who always does very well in the beginning, and by the second or third season things start to go bad.

**Serb** · 04/10/2013, 9:20 AM

Originally Posted by brine3

I follow Ajax and I remember when Jol was manager. He was very much a "wheeler dealer" type manager who would bring in loads of random players based on past reputation, most of whom didn't work out. Tactically he wasn't very strong either.

Did you follow Ajax when Jol was manager? He had an incredible Ajax team, scored 100+ goals in the league, dropped one point at home all season (conceded 4 goals in total at home) and won his last 14 games in a row. He was very unlucky to be beaten in the league by a point after that record. He did manage to win the Dutch cup.

As for his transfers, he brought in a fair amount of players when he arrived (8), but only four of them were purchases. Of those four, Pantelic scored 16 goals in 25 games and de Zeeuw played almost every league game and scored 7 goals from midfield. One of the other purchases was a back up GK who only featured a couple of times and Atouba who Jol had used at Tottenham, but ended up being injury plagued at Ajax and only played once (but surely would have featured more if he wasn't injured all the time). I wouldn't worry too much about his transfer record anyway as it wouldn't be a factor in international football.

I think he would be a decent enough manager for Ireland. I think anyone with top level experience as well as a couple of trophies under their belt would be a massive coup for Ireland's football team. The position is extremely well paid and I think we actually have a squad that's good enough to compete with the second tier of European football despite recent results, so hopefully we could attract a manager like Jol or O'Neill.

**Stuttgart88** · 04/10/2013, 9:35 AM

I wanted Jol and Hodgson considered for the job last time around. I think Jol's reputation has fallen since he returned to Fulham but I think that by and large he "gets it" as to how to approach the modern game. I think it's been a while since we've had a manager who has had that attribute.

I think Hodgson was probably a near-miss, but who knows?

**brine3** · 04/10/2013, 9:51 AM

Originally Posted by Serb

Did you follow Ajax when Jol was manager? He had an incredible Ajax team, scored 100+ goals in the league, dropped one point at home all season (conceded 4 goals in total at home) and won his last 14 games in a row. He was very unlucky to be beaten in the league by a point after that record. He did manage to win the Dutch cup.

As for his transfers, he brought in a fair amount of players when he arrived (8), but only four of them were purchases. Of those four, Pantelic scored 16 goals in 25 games and de Zeeuw played almost every league game and scored 7 goals from midfield. One of the other purchases was a back up GK who only featured a couple of times and Atouba who Jol had used at Tottenham, but ended up being injury plagued at Ajax and only played once (but surely would have featured more if he wasn't injured all the time). I wouldn't worry too much about his transfer record anyway as it wouldn't be a factor in international football.

I think he would be a decent enough manager for Ireland. I think anyone with top level experience as well as a couple of trophies under their belt would be a massive coup for Ireland's football team. The position is extremely well paid and I think we actually have a squad that's good enough to compete with the second tier of European football despite recent results, so hopefully we could attract a manager like Jol or O'Neill.

His tactic was give the ball to Luis Suarez. Most people here know how good a player Luis Suarez is, so imagine how he took the mickey out of Eredivisie defences. I think another manager would have done fairly well. At Fulham his tactic has been to give the ball to Berbatov. It's effective, but the Jol is no tactical genius and he has no Plan B. His Ajax hardly functioned without Luis Suarez.

Martin Jol went against Ajax policy to sign six players by himself, without the Ajax scouts ever having looked at them. Those players were:

Atouba
Kerlon
Mido
Pantelic
Tainio
Hyun-jun Suk

They made something like 35 appearances for Ajax between them. 25 were by Pantelic.

Sure, international managers don't have to sign players, but they have to judge a player's quality and if they'll be any good for the international team. So I'd be very worried about a manager who signs a load of duds, because it's an indication of bad judgement.

Jol takes over clubs with money and plods along before getting sacked after two or three years. But people are impressed by him because he's managed some big name clubs. But what exactly has he ever achieved? He's Harry Redknapp.

Co Adriaanse, on the other hand, took Willem II to their highest league finish in the entire history of the club, and brought them to the Champions League/European Cup, for the first and only time in the entire history of the club. He led AZ Alkmaar to their second most successful European campaign in the entire history of the club. These are massive achievements. He was in charge of the Ajax youth setup in the early 1990s, and reorganised and modernised the whole thing. This is something he could also help do in Ireland - to look at the big picture, together with Ruud Dokter.

We have to look beyond Premier League managers and other big names like Trapattoni.