Shane Long Suspended (Merged)

[macdermesser]

where does the buck end again? This could work its way all the way up to Mr. Delaney ..

[elroy]

where does the buck end again? This could work its way all the way up to Mr. Delaney ..

According to the Sindo yesterday the FAI can afford a top manager as it is currently in a good financial position, thanks mainly to the work of delaney.

However, the Sun or the people (cant remember which) went with the headline that the fai cant afford to sack stan as it is struggling to make its contribution to the LR project.

Make of both headlines what you will........

[charliesboots]

Just to clarify this for people.

The ban was for 5 games after he was sent off at U19 level. Long served a one game ban at U19 level then three games of the ban when at U21 level. When promoted to the senior squad he had two games to serve.

Bans coming from underage level apply to the level the player is eligible for or if a game at a higher level (senior squad in this case) takes place within 24 hours of a game at that level.

This means that Long was only suspended for the two senior games that took place within 24 hours of an U21 competitive game which were the Slovakia in September (where he was on the bench) and last Wednesday against Cyprus (when he withdrew with an "injury").

Bloody confusing but still no excuse for people not being aware of it in the FAI

[eirebhoy]

Apparantly he was given a 1 match U19 ban and a 4 match U21 ban (because he would have been too old for the U19s). He wasn't actually banned for any senior games but according the rules "a player serving a suspension at one level cannot represent his country at another level within 24 hours". That's according to The Star.

[jbyrne]

However, the Sun or the people (cant remember which) went with the headline that the fai cant afford to sack stan as it is struggling to make its contribution to the LR project.

makey-up “journalism” again. the FAI will be about 50% towards raising its contribution of €60m by the end of this year

the real truth is they cant afford to not sack stan as the empty seats at our upcoming spring friendlys, should he still be in charge, would be a far bigger loss alone. a new manager would easily add the cost of paying stan off (rumoured to be €500k) onto the gate for our next home match

[Irish_Praha]

makey-up “journalism” again. the FAI will be about 50% towards raising its contribution of €60m by the end of this year

the real truth is they cant afford to not sack stan as the empty seats at our upcoming spring friendlys, should he still be in charge, would be a far bigger loss alone. a new manager would easily add the cost of paying stan off (rumoured to be €500k) onto the gate for our next home match

I don't know the figures in relation to their contribution of €60m but it sounds right that more than €500k would be lost if Stan is still in charge. That's about 10,000 normal tickets and a new manager* would easily attract 10,000 more punters to the game.

[pineapple stu]

Must have mis-heard, Ash, 'cos there's nothing on the internet anywhere that I can find.

Obviously not Staunton's fault if it is true.

[Jerry The Saint]

Just to clarify this for people.

The ban was for 5 games after he was sent off at U19 level. Long served a one game ban at U19 level then three games of the ban when at U21 level. When promoted to the senior squad he had two games to serve.

Bans coming from underage level apply to the level the player is eligible for or if a game at a higher level (senior squad in this case) takes place within 24 hours of a game at that level.

This means that Long was only suspended for the two senior games that took place within 24 hours of an U21 competitive game which were the Slovakia in September (where he was on the bench) and last Wednesday against Cyprus (when he withdrew with an "injury").

Could you imagine some poor fecker trying to explain all that to Staunton

[soccerc]

Must have mis-heard, Ash, 'cos there's nothing on the internet anywhere that I can find.

Obviously not Staunton's fault if it is true.

It's very true. Not the first time it's happened with FAI administration as we we played a suspended Liam Miller in an U21 game back in 2003.

[geysir]

Could you imagine some poor fecker trying to explain all that to Staunton

I'm with Stan, I don't understand the fuss. The home game against Slovakia was our 5th or 6th game.
He was sent off in May 2006 ?
Surely there have been enough u21 and senior games to cover the suspension since that time?

[gspain]

It's very true. Not the first time it's happened with FAI administration as we we played a suspended Liam Miller in an U21 game back in 2003.

Do you know the expected outcome soccerc? Are we going to get away with it?

[soccerc]

Do you know the expected outcome soccerc? Are we going to get away with it?

I suspect there will be a little spin absolving the current administration from any wrongdoing

[gspain]

I suspect there will be a little spin absolving the current administration from any wrongdoing

Naturally Fran Rooney was responsible.

I'm just wondering if we'll escape having results reversed and points deductions. It could affect our world rankings and seedings for WC 2010.

[Dotsy]

According to Irish Times this morning we have got a fine and Long suspended for next 3 senior games. UEFA spokesman said there had been some confusion. Sounds like an admission that it wasn't only the FAI's fault.

[tetsujin1979]

Pretty much what it says here: http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...s-1202460.html

On reflection, UEFA has confirmed that they recognise how the FAI came to the conclusion they did because of the content of the correspondence received from UEFA.

Sad state of affairs when the FAI make UEFA look incompetent!

[geysir]

So I guess the logic of UEFA's rule is that Long was suspended for 5 underage games and we can't all of a sudden say he is a senior international and work off his suspension in the senior games.
And that explains how he was allowed to play in the home game against Slovakia because there was no u21 game in the 24 hour period.

[macdermesser]

According to Irish Times this morning we have got a fine and Long suspended for next 3 senior games. UEFA spokesman said there had been some confusion. Sounds like an admission that it wasn't only the FAI's fault.

3 match suspension .. that's pretty harsh on Long who is hardly to blame here. FAI should get a hefty fine and that be the end of the matter. Hope the ban includes friendlies .. as come next campaign, Long might be the main man up front

[geysir]

3 match suspension .. that's pretty harsh on Long who is hardly to blame here. FAI should get a hefty fine and that be the end of the matter. Hope the ban includes friendlies .. as come next campaign, Long might be the main man up front

In the IT "The Football Association of Ireland has been fined and Shane Long suspended for an extra game"
So obviously he has to do his original suspension properly to the full and one game on top of that.
Then shouldn't the suspension follow the u21 games.
He should be eligible when the u21's are not playing?

[gspain]

In the IT "The Football Association of Ireland has been fined and Shane Long suspended for an extra game"
So obviously he has to do his original suspension properly to the full and one game on top of that.
Then shouldn't the suspension follow the u21 games.
He should be eligible when the u21's are not playing?

Can somebody with a sub please post the IT article?

It's possible that it is different in different editions too.

An extra game would be ok as we play Wales 24 hours after the U21 game in Montenegro. 3 would be very harsh and rule him out of 2 WC qualifiers.

[geysir]

He would be suspended for the Wales Game if it is the day after the u21 game, no question.

Long to pay for FAI's error
Emmet Malone

News : The Football Association of Ireland has been fined and Shane Long suspended for an extra game as a result of an administrative error that led to the Reading striker being named as a substitute for the European Championship qualifier in Slovakia when he was actually suspended for the game.

The 20 year-old didn't come on in the match which Ireland drew 2-2 but that appears to have been more a matter of luck than design with Steve Staunton and the FAI only discovering afterwards he should not have been included in the squad for the game.

Suspended players are prohibited from being on the bench and his presence there might have cost Ireland a points deduction but Uefa has apparently accepted the situation was not made clear to the FAI. At its September 20th meeting the federation's disciplinary committee, of which FAI chief executive John Delaney is a member, settled for the imposition of an undisclosed fine and extension of the player's ban instead.

Long's case is a rather complicated one as the five-match suspension was imposed as a result of his sending off and reaction to it during a competitive under-19 game early last year. He served the first part of the ban within a number of days but the manner in which the rest was to be accounted for was affected by his graduations to the Irish under-21 squad, then to the seniors.

Players suspended at one level cannot play for their country at another level in the 24 hours either side of a competitive game played by the team from which they are suspended. As the striker's ban automatically followed him to under-21 level, this means Long was free to play for the senior international team provided the under-21s did have a competitive game within a day of the game, as they did the night before the match in Slovakia when the under-21s played Portugal in Cork.

The FAI insisted yesterday it had sought clarification with regard to the matter and acted on the basis of the information received.

"When Shane Long was first called into the squad for the Euro 2008 qualifier against San Marino last February," said an FAI spokesman yesterday, "the FAI checked his eligibility with Uefa and was assured he was free to play at senior level as his suspension only applied to underage games.

"Once the association became aware after the game in Slovakia there was a problem with the player's eligibility for certain matches it immediately contacted Uefa for clarification."

A spokesman for Uefa yesterday conceded there had been some confusion but Long will be out for the game against Wales in Cardiff and two future senior games.