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Thread: England V Republic of Ireland - Thursday, 12th November 2020 - Friendly

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    O'Dowda is not in the game. Horgan and Idah much more involved. Browne has been a bit disappointing too. He's lost the ball too easily a few times.

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    I read that as feels lucky to be 2 down which I would have agreed with. Played ok for 10 mins and shambolic since.

    England going easy on us luckily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zero View Post
    I read that as feels lucky to be 2 down which I would have agreed with. Played ok for 10 mins and shambolic since.

    England going easy on us luckily.
    Ah I don't know. Really unlucky is probably an exaggeration but they haven't created a whole lot despite looking dangerous at times. We've had games where we conceded a lot more chances but great saves or blocks kept them level.

    We haven't created enough since the early stages but even in the last few mins we were getting plenty of players forward before Hendrick tried a cross from completely the wrong angle and made it easy for Pope.

    It's a mixed bag. It could get ugly, but feels like we could nick a goal and really switch the momentum too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tetsujin1979 View Post
    I know Kenny isn't a great speaker, but he really sounded out of his depth in that interview with Tony O'Donoghue on RTE
    He is very considered in what he says to media especially live, to a fault. But I find it more refreshing than annoying with few of the usual platitudes and cliches that roll off the tongue. When he gets the bit between the teeth on something he feels strongly about, usually in defence of his players, he can command any press conference.

    Anyone else think that Grealish is trying a bit too hard to show he is very English tonight. Smug when England scored and really driving hard more than you'd often see in 'friendly' game. Old hat about his switch but he is a loss to us regardless of how he had his head turned.

    It's going to get harder and harder to keep people patient with this new setup, 2-0 down to England 1st half will have some people stamping their feet. But there have been some excellent phases of play, and they will be stitched together over time. As long is there is improvement obvious with how we play at the moment, results in the likes of these games are secondary. I fear a hammering tonight, simply because there will be the kneejerk overreaction to a result v England. Not necessarily the wisest choice of opposition imo, albeit wanting to pitch yerself against the better countries. As much as it will stick in the craw, this England side could be the real deal!

    Still getting no rub with injuries disrupting plans, Egan added to the list.

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    Its a bit worrying really, because you know whatever other manager we had whatever system was played we'd have come out of wembley with a draw. But for all the talk of having possession and and passing football, we have looked more than second rate against England. And defensively very fragile. I actually thought we'd improved slightly defensively but I just think now that was more the opposition than anything we were particularly doing. We are opened up very easily, when we dont have the ball and the counter is very dangerous for us, because defensively we cant go man to man. And you know now when we go behind its very unlikely we will score - perhaps a late consolation but nothing more. Very worrying indeed. Idah definitely isnt the future either.

    We've always been well off the top, but rarely have we shown it so clearly, because we've made up in other ways. We need to have a system where we can contain the big teams, like before, like other managers before Kenny did. Don't be too proud or too stupid to just think we have to play passing, possession football, or we'll be throwing away more competitions just for a potential pipe dream.
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    Sloppy sloppy defending. We don't look like creating anything, feels like we are praying for an own goal from the opposition every time we play. The defence is very porous, things don't bode well at all. I would say, minnows aside, we are probably the team all other countries would most like to play right now.

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    grealish is trying too hard is he? the cheek of him.

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    When was the last time we came back from 2 goals down?

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    Feel sorry for Idah up front, the closest he gets to the ball is chasing down backpasses.

    We have no threat whatsoever in the final third. And our players know we have none, so they don't move up in support, so we give it away even more easily.

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    abject. 2/10 first half. no signs of any improvement. basically the same as the other Kenny games bar Slovakia.

    2 games coming up. 2 more losses and you have to start asking serious questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by passinginterest View Post
    Ah I don't know. Really unlucky is probably an exaggeration but they haven't created a whole lot despite looking dangerous at times. We've had games where we conceded a lot more chances but great saves or blocks kept them level.
    There's been more last-ditch blocks in that half than I'd like to see over the full 90 to be honest.

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    Positives;
    Doherty looks really effective at left back
    Hendrick has looked better than other games recently
    Horgan has been pretty effective
    Idah has held it up well and brought others in without looking like scoring

    Negatives;
    O'Dowda and Browne pretty anonymous
    Duffy has been woeful
    Losing Egan didn't help, presumably Coleman was due to start to so that might explain some of the defensive holes

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    Yeah, we started well but England have upped the pressure and we just can't hold the ball.

    Worrying, but not unexpected
    This is it, play the game that gets the best result. We're not doing that.
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    Stats off livescore -

    8 shots to 0
    10 corners to 0
    60% possession to 40%

    This isn't far off the Dundalk v Arsenal game to be honest

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    Whichever bright spark within the set up thought an England friendly was a good idea needs shooting.

    We look like we might concede every time England go forward. We can’t string more a handful of passes together and when we do lose the ball there is **** all attempt to get the ball back,

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakermaker1982 View Post
    Whichever bright spark within the set up thought an England friendly was a good idea needs shooting.

    We look like we might concede every time England go forward. We can’t string more a handful of passes together and when we do lose the ball there is **** all attempt to get the ball back,
    But isnt that what we have accepted in the vein hope of passing pleasing football? Without flagging a dead horse, play the system to get the best results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zero View Post
    grealish is trying too hard is he? the cheek of him.
    If replying to me you are putting words in my mouth, I suggested he is trying too hard to unnecessarily make a point that isnt all about simply the game in front of him, a question in recognising there may be my own bias in that! Something he doesnt need to do, but I think is on his mind and could be wound up on it if someone was so inclined. Maybe its general arrogance or for Villa and England fans, confidence.

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    It looks and feels like exactly what it is, a poor team against a good team. It may be admirable that the poor team are trying to play a bit as they say, the rest seems pretty inevitable and if we are honest did so from the minute the game was announced. I still can’t fathom why we are even playing this fixture. I am for all intents and purposes willing to write it off even if it ends as a heavy defeat which I strongly suspect it will.

    The next two after this become very important for SK.

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    This is really poor stuff.
    Bring Back Belfast Celtic F.C.

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    The reality is that it may look better to be passing it around and playing out from the back etc but our players aren't good enough to play that style without conceding soft goals and we can't create many chances. We may not have liked their negativity but Trapattoni and O'Neill have been proved right, our players aren't up to it and to compete, we have to play negative football. I really wanted the Kenny era to work but it's crumbling here. He'll need two good results to save himself.

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