QuotePersonally I think they got off lightly with that.
Just heard over the radio, they've been docked 8 points over this double accounts madness.
Personally I think they got off lightly with that.
id bet my life ion it if it was any other club bar rvs bohs shels and mayb pats they would be f**ed out long ago
Which means they're back on zero ?? Finn Harps gets away from the bottom spot then...
on our way back with the supporters coach from Drogheda-Shels we were singing the classic Rovers chant...
You're homeless, homeless hoops
Your bus to Tallaght will never come
Poor guys, we should really not be laughing with the misery of such a traditional club. Still, when you play with fire you know you can get burnt... So saying this is all injustice that they're punished would be wrong.
Though I have yet to hear any of this confirmed anywhere, assuming it is true then it would land Rovers back on 1 point. If we beat Finn Harps tomorrow that would not be the end of the world for Rovers with them being only 1 point behind. I was at the Pats v Rovers game today and Rovers do have a bit about them. Having seen Bohs in action the previous week I reckon Rovers are as good as if not better than them. Of course it also remains to be seen how much of his squad Roddy will retain after June. I suppose this is harsh on the members of the 400 club with the ineptitude of the very board they are trying to displace being responsible for this deduction. However the rules were breached and an example must be set. I suppose Rovers will appeal however and I am sure this is not over.
At least we know that the Licensing must be taken seriously. McGuire and his fellow boards members were obviously running the club very poorly.
Rovers are very very lucky to get off so lightly. The FAI probably sat down and worked out the least number of points they reckon wouldn't put Rovers in serious trouble and docked them that.
The message to the clubs seems to be- hey, spend away, sure if it
ye can't pay it we'll dock a few points but sure what the hell. Want to spend 950k of grant money on players- go for it!
Clubs should apply for grants, spend the best part of a million euro on players (that sure secure them far more than the 8 points they'll be docked for doing so) and sure Bob's your uncle.
Why run a club properly when you can just hope for the best and just f**k over your creditors...
Originally Posted by Gerrit
Who the Fk are you to start laughing at us? Which team is more famous in Belgium, Shelbourne or Shamrock Rovers? Which club has the bigger fan base? If Shels were bottom of the league and deducted 8 points, with no home ground to play in, you and your bandwagon-jumping friends wouldn't be traipsing up to Drogheda at all, would you? Rovers fans will travel anywhere, regardless of what is thrown at us, by insensitive idiots like you!
Last edited by mypost; 14/05/2005 at 5:29 AM.
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Who the Fk are you to start laughing at us? Which team is more famous in Belgium, Shelbourne or Shamrock Rovers? Which club has the bigger fan base? If Shels were bottom of the league and deducted 8 points, with no home ground to play in, you and your bandwagon-jumping friends wouldn't be traipsing up to Drogheda at all, would you? Rovers fans will travel anywhere, regardless of what is thrown at us, by insensitive idiots like you!
Roddy Collins was interviewed on Newstalk 106 last night after the game and was very upbeat. He had told the players to expect a 9 point deduction.
So Roddy's viewpoint is they are up a point on what they expected to have.
Whatever the rights are wrongs of the FAI decision, the rest of the season is a trial period to allow the club to get it's house in order. If they don't do so
Rovers will not be in Football at the highest level in 2006!
Had Rovers qualified for Europe last season, the fact that the licence is in effect suspended would mean that they would be withdrawn from Europe.
That would have been a serious penalty and a major punishment.
And it puts down a marker for EL clubs for the future which we should all take note of.
mypost... It is not a question of which club is the most famous in Europe.
Nor which club has the most passionate support.
In terms of passionate support Shamrock Rovers would be in the Group stages of the Champions League most seasons.
However it is how the team performs on the field and the board performs off the field that is the key element here.
Dublin City have been better run than Shamrock Rovers since 2001 which is an indisputable fact! Many people wonder what they bring to the League.
They are a well run club, maybe that is what they bring to the League a good example to the other 21 clubs.
Last edited by CollegeTillIDie; 14/05/2005 at 7:50 AM.
I thought it wasn't stipulated before the season & therefore they couldn't be docked the points. Anyway they should have either been put into the Leinster Senior League out or not docked the points. They won't get dropped coz Harps are so bad. The fans seem to be good tho, but for any Rovers fans reading this I think you should keep singing even when yer a goal down, like the Derry fans do. Yee were very quiet afer the og last nite.
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wow, an Irish team with "shamrock" in its title are famous.
Who the Fk are you to start laughing at us? Which team is more famous in Belgium, Shelbourne or Shamrock Rovers? Which club has the bigger fan base? If Shels were bottom of the league and deducted 8 points, with no home ground to play in, you and your bandwagon-jumping friends wouldn't be traipsing up to Drogheda at all, would you? Rovers fans will travel anywhere, regardless of what is thrown at us, by insensitive idiots like you!
if there was a team in belgium with "chocolates" in its name, they'd be famous too.
your imitation hoops and imitation shamrock crest have latched on to a more famous clubs reputation.
if you consider whats going on at rovers, mypost, and and what is supposed to be the punishment, deducting ye the total points for less than 3 games is lenient. i know its unfair on the fans, but at the moment, the fans arent Shamrock Rovers. that ltd company are, and they ****ed up.
i dont see how any eL team can accuse another clubs fans of just being bandwagon fans. its the bloody eL, what bandwagon? at any game you might have a few people along for the spectacle, but every club has a constant solid support.
except dublin city.
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Spot on boss. Dublin City have a fickle inconsistent support just like the GAA team. They had bigger support in their promotion season of 2003 than in their Premier Division campaign last season. So in spite of having a more attractive opposition to play against their crowds went down.
Look at the Dublin Gaelic Football team as a comparible example.
Used to use Croker for National League matches now can make do with Parnell Park as only 10,000 max are arsed about going to those games.
Last edited by CollegeTillIDie; 14/05/2005 at 10:28 AM.
Very harsh decision IMO. The clowns who got rovers in this mess should be the ones taking the heat for this, and with that ***** maguire gone, rovers in their current guise should not have been penalised so harshly at all.
how is it harshly?!
all they have to do is win a game and then they are back above finn harps to resume adding nothing to the league.
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Its simply not true to say they add nothing to the league Gav. Their fans alone, with their travelling support and colour and noise are a huge boost to the league. The atmosphere Shams create when they come to cork is second to none, I wouldn't fancy losing that
Story from the RTE site:
Rovers hit the bottom after 8-point deduction
Saturday, May 14 2005 12:10
Shamrock Rovers have been docked eight points by the FAI's club licensing committee.
The committee found that the club's 2005 licence had been awarded on the basis of incorrect financial and accounting information - constituting a 'serious breach of the licensing process.'
Rovers now lie at the bottom of the eircom League Premier Division on one-point, despite last night's well-earned 1-1 draw against St Patrick's Athletic at Richmond Park.
However, the outcome could be considered to be relatively favourable for Rovers, considering that enforced relegation to the First Division and expulsion from the league were believed to have been possibilities.
The homeless Dublin club's financial irregularities were exposed when the club went into examinership last month.
Last night, the club's examiner, Neil Hughes, said that the penalty had not deterred potential investors, which are seen as crucial to the club's plans to move into a new ground in Tallaght.
Hughes also indicated that the club would not appeal the decision.
FAI chief executive John Delaney, meanwhile, said in a statement that "the committee's decision sends a clear message that the club licensing process, which all clubs have signed up to, is a serious one and irregularities in clubs' applications will result in sanctions."
"All clubs have agreed to comply with the system which is there to ensure clubs reach better standards across all disciplines within each clubs' structures," he added.
So it seems Rovers won't appeal. They must really not have a legal leg to stand on in this one. This will breathe new life into Harps campaign. I won't make comments about how awful Harps are as I really don't know having not seen them in action but Rovers didn't look the worst in the world yesterday and they have a pretty good chance of staying up by beating Harps to the playoff place and winning it. With the poor form of Longford too they are far from uncatchable. I think this is a good punishment. It gives Shamrock a good slap for their cheating and sets a still strong enough example but at least it doesn't destroy the club which is about to get rid of those who commited this crime.
Agreed
Begs the question though, when the documents were initially sent in for the UEFA license were they really scrutinised - surely heads should roll in the FAI
exactly. A judgement like this would be a lot more understandable if the FAI was competent and honest, i.e. leading by example
This cast a shadow over every other club in the league ( not that another club lied on their applications ) but that any joe soap picking up the daily rag reading about rovers will think to himself " ah sure they're all at it."
Every club put in a tremendous effort into getting their Licence, and should be applauded for it, its a shame that because of the situation that rovers find themselves in that it may cause fair weather fans to turn their noses up at the EL
It's tough especially on the 400 club.
They eventually get involved in the decision making side of things and they get hit with this.
The people now involved aren't those who got them into the trouble and I think it's a case of being ckicked when you're down.
Lucky for them that Harps are currently so poor, even the 8 point loss is unlikely to relegate them.
btw, whoever awarded the licence in the first place obviously didn't do their job properly, they should go!
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