Richie Sadlier gave his take on the affair to RTÉ on 'Saturday Sport': http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/irish...chard-sadlier/
He also had a write-up in the Independent: http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...-30785095.htmlOriginally Posted by RTÉ.ie
Originally Posted by Richie Sadlier
Good to see it hasn't gone away
DID YOU NOTICE A SIGN OUTSIDE MY HOUSE...?
Yeah, but as long as JD remains in post. That and his other actitivities...
Who says he has to be replaced from within the organisation?
In the pub last week my mates and I were suggesting Warren Deutrom, the Cricket Ireland CEO. There are lots of experienced sports and other senior organisation leaders capable of doing what's required. The organisation doesn't just need a new CEO though, it needs a complete revamp of its structures and workings. As Sadlier kind of said above (at least I'm extending the point he made) the organisation is ideally designed for a despot to take charge.
Who says he has to be replaced from within the country?
Nobody. The new CEO can come from anywhere or any organisation. He or she just needs to be vetted to make sure he or she isn't a sociopath.
Which calls to mind Gore Vidal's quote about how anybody considering running for President of the United States should immediately be disqualified. Disqualifying sociopaths from a job whose specs require a sociopath seems self-defeating.
So no one could or had contacted him for 3 days?!
Even the song is starting to blind side people. It's the actions of Delaney and the FAI that are being questioned. Sadlier is spot on!
Touchy subject for you because of where you are from I understand but Delaney's behaviour was skirting the lines of good taste. Josip Simunic got banned from the World Cup for not much more than what Delaney did, and he isn't the Chief Executive of a Football Organisation. There are plenty of Croats who thought he was doing nothing wrong either. There are plenty of Rangers & Celtic fans & representatives who think their banter is harmless when UEFA would have different opinions about it.
There is no place for it in football, Danny.
And I have family links to Greystones in Wicklow so I have a very precise idea of what several Protestant born Irish fans think about it.
EDIT: What Delaney done would be acceptable if he was a fan IMO. It is not acceptable for someone in his position.
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Danny's from Donegal. Why would that matter?
I'm from Dublin. I'm of protestant stock with Fermanagh provenance.
Stutts is from Dublin.
SvD is from Derry.
AB is from Louth.
None of that matters. None of us seemingly found the song offensive or were touchy about it. All of the issues stem from the unprofessional nature and retarded handling of the whole affair.
TOWK, you're talking through your hat again and besides the conversation has now moved on since those statements were made. Do keep up chap.
It seems you've been blindsided by the singing of the song.
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If anything, TOWK understates: many fans (from all corners of Ireland, and beyond) will feel uncomfortable and/or angry about the specific song JD was singing. Obviously that doesn't mean they ignore the many other valid criticisms of him.
Peter O'Reilly and Mark Tighe co-authored a piece on the issue in yesterday's Sunday Times where they'd obtained a quote from some spokesman or other from Our Wee Country saying that Delaney must lose his position over this. I thought it was a pity because it's not really his place to be making those sort of demands. I'd find it very inappropriate if somebody spoke on behalf of YBIG about the suitability of whoever is in charge of the Nordie association.
Any lack of comfort I feel about JD singing that song has nothing to do with the content of the song.
The lionization of hunger-strikers is an issue that I have as have many people, but let's be clear, and again we have to keep re-iterating this; the issue is not the song, it is not that he may have been drunk.
The issue is that over the course of some days last week the FAI (no doubt on his behalf) issued legal threats to media outlets AND also denied it was JD in the video at one stage. That is on top of a statement purporting to be from the FAI treating a private matter of Emma English as a matter for the FAI. It's just not on.
The President's follow-up statement again glorified St John's wonderful contribution and how he is deserving of a 6 year extension to his contract.
In any other organisation (outside of Ireland granted) he would have been long gone. As it stands he is still hanging on. This should have been the nail in the coffin for him at the FAI but it wasn't.
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I would sooner have the YBIG lads represent me than any of the OWC heads in fairness.
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I wouldn't say it's a particularly touchy subject for me, even if my background is northern. I can discuss it rationally without getting emotive and I think it is important to distinguish between Irish republicanism and brainless anti-Protestantism because there is a distinction.
Whilst I have no personal qualms with the song myself, I can acknowledge that it has/had the potential to stir controversy and provoke unnecessary embarrassment and bad publicity for the FAI. A CEO should be trying to avoid that sort of thing; maintaining good public relations plays a big role in the responsibilities of a CEO. As I said earlier in the thread, not even the Sinn Féin leadership would allow themselves to be recorded in pubs drunkenly singing some of the more militant rebel songs as it would simply stir avoidable bad press. Delaney's role entails being media savvy, and that includes being well aware of the risks of camera/video phones and social media. I'm sure Delaney's not ignorant to the numerous videos of him on YouTube boozing, cursing and chanting with the fans. He's more than happy to act the lad and have it publicised when it suits him.
Anyway, for the reason that the song had the potential to stir a significant deal of controversy, Delaney's actions displayed very poor judgment that was not befitting a CEO. Comparing it to the intentionally malicious behaviour and violence of Scotland's shame and sectarian Celtic fans is going a bit far, I think.
If your Protestant family/friends of the family feel intimidated by Irish republicanism as an ideology, that's a shame.
Is your unease because a semi-anonymous, unelected website moderator isn't accountable or unrepresentative? I'm fairly sure that on this issue most OWC contributors agree with him. Or just because he supports a different team? If the latter, I think this is unrealistic. Delaney is prominently involved in organising high-profile future fixtures against England and Scotland, and claims credit for his work in cross-border football in Ireland. This isn't a RoI domestic issue from OWC or the Daily Telegraph's POV.Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
It's a touchy subject for many, including me, most on OWC as above and many in the wider NI support. Some responses above aren't at all emotive, but they're no more rational as a result.Originally Posted by Danny Invincible
The problem here isn't republicanism or protestantism, but treating fairly recent paramilitary violence as an excuse for mawkish singalong. Not his only error of judgment, but clearly a big one. There's little point Bonnie reiterating that it isn't an issue, we just won't agree.
The latter. It's none of my business what the head of the IFA gets up to, nor am I interested. I wasn't interested when the IFA was a sectarian organisation in all but name either. None of my business. If his position was that he'd be opposed to his country arranging fixtures with the FAI, that'd be an understandable position and one he'd be a legitimate stakeholder in. Delaney might claim credit for his work in cross-border football but we all know full well he hasn't done any and won't do any in future. Again, Delaney is a bare-faced liar, but that's not really something that should concern a fan group of a foreign nation either.
GR, it is an issue. But not the most important one. So there's no point in continuing the pointless discussion about it.
The story has moved on.
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Your call, of course, but it just doesn't work in reverse. Many NI fans are interested in Delaney's antics, often to an obsessive degree. Biggest single reason is the Eligibility row. That could be shrugged off as embittered bigots just letting off steam, but the difference now is that they're enjoying what looks like becoming an extended soap opera. Not least as the NI media have been surprisingly quiet...
Bonnie- fine, as you've moved on you don't need to add anything.
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