IF you are Pro-Keane.....

**liam88** · 20/04/2004, 4:51 PM

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**liam88** · 20/04/2004, 4:53 PM

Hail! Hail!

**pete** · 20/04/2004, 5:22 PM

Originally Posted by liam88

Hail! Hail!

Whats with the four leaf clovers? Is that some scottish thing?

**Paddy Ramone** · 20/04/2004, 5:47 PM

Celtic fans say it's a clover but the shamrock is the emblem of Ireland and is a type of clover. Why call it a clover? are the Bhoys ashamed of their Irish roots? If the Hibees did the same thing, they'd be accusing them of rejecting their Irish roots. But with Celtic, calling a shamrock a clover is inclusive.

I believe the four leaved shamrock represents the Blessed Virgin. According to folklore she was given a extra leaf alongside the other leaves which represent the Holy Trinity. Celtic were formed by a Marist Brother in St Mary's Hall in Glasgow. It was a adopted as emblem to show the club was proud of it's Catholic roots, Marist means belonging to Mary. Of course Celtic FC won't tell you this it's a bit too embarrassing for a non-sectarian club.

**liam88** · 20/04/2004, 6:06 PM

Just pointing out that it is non-Celtic fans who are potentially starting the millioneth debate over Celtics IRish roots-I just posted a couple of football related t-shirts in general football

I for one say Shamrock and go to (Catholic) Church every Sunday

**Paddy Ramone** · 20/04/2004, 6:16 PM

Originally Posted by liam88

I for one say Shamrock and go to (Catholic) Church every Sunday

Celtic FC say it's a clover though not a shamrock. Why?

**brendy_éire** · 20/04/2004, 9:03 PM

Originally Posted by liam88

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Ye didn't actually pay £15 for one of those, Liam, did ye?

Ye could make one of those yourself for less than a fiver.

**Paddy Ramone** · 21/04/2004, 9:40 AM

Originally Posted by davros

Er,of course Celtic fans call it a Shamrock.....& of course they were founded by Brother Walfrid,who was a Marist .....doesn't mean the club Ever had Sectarian aims like the H*ns,up until pre-Sour-ness/post Donald Findlay!

Presumably,you also would be disgusted by Michael Davitt of the Irish Land Lge.,laying a shamrock-bearing sod in the centre of the pitch?!No gripe with Hibs....but as their fans readily admit their history was eclipsed by the achievements of Celtic.Perhaps you blame all the Irish who emigrated to Glasgow a century ago for supporting the Celts instead.....sorry

I never said that Celtic were sectarian but I've heard some Celtic fans say that it's a clover on their badge not a shamrock. I was just wondering. It's obvious the club has strong Marist connections and the four-leaved shamrock is somestimes called Mary's shamrock. I prefer Celtic to Rangers actually and like Celtic to do well in Europe except when they are playing an Irish club.

**pete** · 21/04/2004, 10:24 AM

Maybe some horticulturalist could clear things up.

AFAIK there is only 1 type of shamrock - 4 leaves. There are both 3 & 4 leaf clovers.

**liam88** · 21/04/2004, 5:40 PM

[QUOTE=brendy_éire]Ye didn't actually pay £15 for one of those, Liam, did ye?

QUOTE]
Hehe no I didn't buy one, just thought it was relevant and quite impressive that they got it out so quickly.
Davros is right, I'd rather give £15 to cancer Research anyday of the week no matter what the t-shirt said.

sham·rock
n.
Any of several plants, such as a clover or wood sorrel, having compound leaves with three small leaflets, considered the national emblem of Ireland.

clo·ver
n.
Any of various herbs of the genus Trifolium in the pea family, having trifoliolate leaves and dense heads of small flowers and including species grown for forage, for erosion control, and as a source of nectar for honeybees.
Any of several other plants in the pea family, such as bush clover and sweet clover.
Any of several nonleguminous plants, such as owl's clover and water clover.

That's dictionary.com 's answers

**Paddy Ramone** · 22/04/2004, 8:20 AM

Originally Posted by pete

Maybe some horticulturalist could clear things up.

AFAIK there is only 1 type of shamrock - 4 leaves. There are both 3 & 4 leaf clovers.

So it's a clover on the FAI badge because it has three leaves not four.

**Paddy Ramone** · 22/04/2004, 8:29 AM

[QUOTE=liam88]

Originally Posted by brendy_éire

Ye didn't actually pay £15 for one of those, Liam, did ye?

QUOTE]
sham·rock
n.
Any of several plants, such as a clover or wood sorrel, having compound leaves with three small leaflets, considered the national emblem of Ireland.

Also according to the dictionary the word shamrock is derived from the Gaelic seamrog which is the diminutive of seamar the Gaelic word for a clover. So, is a shamrock a small clover? Since the trefoil on the Celtic badge is quite large it must be a clover not shamrock.??? If it is a clover, why did Celtic choose it instead of a shamrock which is regarded as an Irish emblem?

**lopez** · 22/04/2004, 8:40 AM

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**Jim Smith** · 22/04/2004, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by davros

Because the prehistoric version of their local garden cetre/B.& Q. didn't have any in stock......

Now, now. Surely the correct answer from a Celtic fan would be "Because the prehistoric version of their local garden cetre/B.& Q. wouldn't sell them any because they were all a shower of bigots and Celtic-haters..."