Do pub sides outside the LOI count?
Where is this thread going? To illustarte we have sh1te managers?
How about figuring out how Scottish & Norn Irish managers seem to be so unusually successful?
Scottish definitelyOriginally Posted by Qwerty
Martin O'Neill...... Irish and Northern Irish
Billy Bingham ....Northern Irish and British I would guess would be his way of describing himself.
The Scots definitely have a great track record producing managers but Ireland not so good (imho) but I think that is improving.
England itself is struggling to produce top managers these days and when you consider the interest in football in England that is hard to understand.
Last edited by seanfhear; 12/01/2010 at 4:45 PM.
There is surely a contradiction in that....EliteIn an (almost) unrelated footnote, I see Jason Kabia is working in LA for Elite Irish Soccer School
Bring back the plank
Sean O'Driscoll apparently interviewing for the Burnley job!!
Have Bohs financial issues hindered the payments of players or managements wages or bonuses at all over the course of the year??
prior to the beginning of last season, Bohs, like most other clubs seeking to reduce their budget, negotiated decreases to players wages. Unlike a whole host of clubs, over the years not one Bohs player or manager has ever failed to receive their regular wages each week.
Apparently Fenlon was asked to take a deferral on the bonuses due to him for winning the League and League Cup and agreed. He was paid the bonuses over the weekend. Im not sure about players bonuses (if any) but im sure if they hadnt been received, it would have been leaked by now. Players have bigger mouths (eg Dominic Foley).
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As are, it could be argued, the words "Irish", "Soccer" and "School", if you view it from a certain perspective...
That question was less stupid, though you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.
Help me, Arthur Murphy, you're my only hope!
Despite all the talk of "continental managers" in the English game, a quick review of the list of managers in the English league breaks down something as follows:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...eague_managers
50. English
12. Scottish
08. Irish
06. Wales
04. Italy
02. Northern Ireland and Spain
01. St. Lucia, France, Canada, Portugal, Israel and Greece.
That's based on a quick check.
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
The Island of Ireland does not do too bad there (not far behind the Scots)
Ah Pat Walker, what a player he was for Bohs in the half season or so he played in the red and black. A few older Bohs supporters I know hold him up there with Kevin Hunt and Jackie!
BTW didnt Joe McGrath manage the NZ national team around 1997 for a season or so.
If including Norn Iron - Brendan Rogers (Reading) up to Christmas I think, Jim Magilton went around the same time from QPR.
Danny Wilson is with Swindon
Jimmy Quinn was knocking around managing teams for a while
Sammy McIlroy is with Morcombe or someone
Last edited by CMcC; 12/01/2010 at 3:47 PM. Reason: I cant spell
And of the 20 Premiership managers:
6 England
3 Scotland, Italy
2 Ireland, Spain
1 Norn Iron, Israel, France, Wales
Of those, the managers who have won major trophies in England (League, FA Cup, League Cup) are from:
Scotland (Fergusson), France (Wenger), Spain (Benitez. No really!), Norn Iron (O'Neill), England ('Arry)
That question was less stupid, though you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.
Help me, Arthur Murphy, you're my only hope!
Scottish I'll give you, but Northern Irish? Martin O'Neill is the only top manager from that country.
favourite with the bookies now apparently
He's up against Brian Laws, which isn't stellar competition.
Described as "one of the most forward thinking coaches" in the league.
True but NI have produced quite a few OK managers in recent times who have managed in PL or CL - Danny Wilson, Sammy McIlroy, Nigel Worthington, Lawrie Sanchez, Ian Dowie, Brendan Rodgers, Jim Magilton.
Good article - It suits this thread:
http://www.irishecho.com/newspaper/story.cfm?id=20071
Beyond Trapattoni, some talent lurks
Over the past few weeks there have been persistent newspaper reports that Giovanni Trapattoni was going to be lured away from the Ireland job by the Turks. The Italian denied any interest and, in any case, the Turks would have to seriously improve their pay scale to snap up the Irish boss.
As recently as 2008, the previous incumbent, Fatih Terim, was drawing down an annual salary of just over €600,000. That would be much, much less than Trapattoni got for guiding Ireland to the world Cup play-offs and the handball debacle heard, and seen, around the world.
The funny thing is that had Trapattoni walked, the FAI would never have had a better field of candidates from which to choose his replacement.
This much was hammered home again by recent events in England. When Gary Megson was dismissed by Bolton Wanderers, Owen Coyle was immediately identified as the most obvious replacement given his history at the club as a player, and his stature as one of the brightest managers out there.
Whatever happens from this point on, Coyle will always be remembered as the man who guided Burnley to the Premiership while playing an attractive brand of football. Some feat that.
That Coyle should be on any future list of potential Ireland managers goes without saying. He may only have had the briefest flirtation with international football, coming on as a sub for Jack Charlton's side in a 1994 friendly against Holland in Tilburg, but he's more Irish than many who have worn the green shirt over the years.
He grew up in a part of the Glasgow Gorbals that was so populated by expatriates from across the water that it was known affectionately as "Little Donegal." It's a brave man who would question the Irish credentials of somebody from that neighborhood.
From an Irish point of view, Burnley's subsequent casting around for a replacement for Coyle also highlighted the burgeoning claims of another Irish manager, Sean O'Driscoll. Yet one more without much of an international playing pedigree, three caps during the Eoin Hand era of the early eighties, O'Driscoll has slowly carved out a reputation as one of the best managers in the lower divisions and, but for an issue with compensation (shades of Pat Fenlon), would now be in the Premier League as the boss at Turf Moor.
If it is only a matter of time before O'Driscoll's performance in charge of Doncaster Rovers - where he endeavors to play the game the right way despite a limited budget, earns him a call-up to the highest level of the English game - he should also make it onto the shortlist for when the Irish manager's position becomes vacant.
He might not be the most fashionable candidate, but his undistinguished playing career and lack of box office name recognition shouldn't hinder his chances unduly.
The exaggerated media attention on the merits of Coyle and O'Driscoll only serve to highlight the current proliferation of Irish managers. Coyle, Mick McCarthy and Martin O'Neill are flying the flag in the Premier League. A division below that, there's O'Driscoll, Roy Keane and Chris Hughton.
Farther down the food chain, John Sheridan is in charge at Chesterfield and the unfortunate Steve Staunton is struggling to re-establish his coaching ambitions at beleaguered Darlington.
Obviously, nobody is saying all of these characters should figure in the shake-up to succeed Trapattoni, but some of them should be under serious consideration. While Keane appears to have pulled back from the brink at Portman Road and re-established the view that he may yet become a serious manager at the highest level, it's nigh on impossible to see him ever taking charge of Ireland.
How could he go and work for an association about which he has professed nothing but contempt on such a regular basis? He doesn't need the money and surely wouldn't want the hassle that the job entails.
If Keane is, like Brian Kerr, persona non grata at the FAI, at least until the end of the John Delaney regime, the real pity about McCarthy is that he is far more qualified to manage Ireland now than he was when given the job back in 1996.
Then, he was a neophyte struggling at Millwall and was consequently forced to make rookie mistakes in the unforgiving international arena. Now, he's been around the block, got teams promoted twice on shoe-string budgets, and would be far better suited to negotiating a qualifying campaign at this stage of his career.
Martin O'Neill is a difficult one to figure out. Nobody questions whether he is up to the job but would he want to manage the Republic having played for Northern Ireland? He does have a little more to prove at club level anyway where, the traditional exaggeration about everything to do with Celtic apart, he hasn't quite achieved as much as his reputation suggests.
Then there's the rising star of Hughton. Having been involved as an assistant in the Kerr era, he has since gone on to take over one of the most troubled and strangest football clubs in the islands that are Britain and Ireland. And made a real good job of it so far too.
If he does guide Newcastle United back into the top flight and manage to keep them there, Hughton should be a front-runner for the Ireland job two years from now. He's got the playing pedigree, the lengthy coaching apprenticeship at Spurs, and now experience of managing in a place where expectations tend to far exceed reality.
By the time Trapattoni does step away, one or two of these names may have faded from view. This is management after all and these jobs come with no guarantees.
However, the very presence of so many Irish managers suggests the FAI will have real options when picking out a successor. The only worry is that they will do the lazy thing and look no farther than the current assistants Marco Tardelli and Liam Brady. They were two of the greatest midfielders of their time but not, by any stretch, two of the better managers.
The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist thinks it will change; the realist adjusts the sails.
Sounds better suited to the England job, to be honest.
Jim Gannon back in the hot seat with Peterboro
I think Hughton could make a good manager for Ireland.
O'Driscoll reportedly sacked by Nottingham Forest, hours after beating Leeds 4-2 and lying 8th in the table.
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