Third Tier Talk - A Championship Mk II

[pineapple stu]

It'd be over in 24 hours if it was a NATO/Ukraine v Russia war in reality. Its very simple really, NATO are not at war.

Geopolitics is rarely, if ever, simple.

Yes, if NATO waded in in their own name, we'd all quite possibly be living out the film Threads right now. But that doesn't change the fact that, to all intents and purposes, it is NATO by proxy who are fighting Russia.

Again, most people can see that while the defence isn't being carried out in NATO's name, it's entirely reasonable to describe it as Ukraine/NATO. Especially in a flippant remark about Pat O'Sullivan.

[pineapple stu]

Of all the consequences of the Ukraine/Nato v Russia war the granting of extra play money to Paud is arguably the most serious.

Question btw. (On topic, if I may)

What's the "extra play money" bit about?

[Kiki Balboa]

Look, I will just say this. If anyone thinks this is a Russian/ NNATO war , I have some ivemectin to sell you.

It is demonstrably false claim to make, no matter how it 'feels' to you.

[Lim till i die]

Question btw. (On topic, if I may)

What's the "extra play money" bit about?

Limerick FCs proposed training centre in Bruff is currently home to around 300 Ukrainians.

"Rubbing fat onto a sows arse" is how my dear oul da related the news.

[Buller]

Geopolitics is rarely, if ever, simple.

Well this is kinda is, Russia is at war with Ukraine. Supporting each side with weapons are NATO, Australia, Pakistan, Iran, North Korea, Finland, Sweden, Belarus etc.

To put one actor on one side without mentioning the full picture infers bias, which I think Eat Your Greens picked up on.
'Ukraine/NATO v Russia war' is objectively an incorrect/bias statement.

[Buller]

I enjoyed this off-topicness. So eh, that third tier huh?

[pineapple stu]

Well this is kinda is, Russia is at war with Ukraine. Supporting each side with weapons are NATO, Australia, Pakistan, Iran, North Korea, Finland, Sweden, Belarus etc.

To put one actor on one side without mentioning the full picture infers bias, which I think Eat Your Greens picked up on.
'Ukraine/NATO v Russia war' is objectively an incorrect/bias statement.

If changing LTID's post in your mind to Ukraine/NATO v Russia/Iran makes you feel better, then off you go. That it's biased to leave out the "Iran" bit is nonsense. And a core argument that geopolitics is simple really isn't a great one.

[Lim till i die]

I enjoyed this off-topicness. So eh, that third tier huh?

Should be mostly reserve teams imo.

So probably won't happen and if it does happen it'll be a great big farce

Prove me wrong irish football, prove me wrong!

[pineapple stu]

I enjoyed this off-topicness. So eh, that third tier huh?

Interesting paragraph in today's Sunday Independent report on yesterday's FAI AGM, where Mark Scanlan discusses the third tier plans - he says he prefers not to consider it as another layer of the LoI, as it would have links down as well as up, as part of a broader discussion on a pyramid. He still hopes to be able to launch next year, but (and this is my personal opinion following) better to accept a delay of a year or two if necessary to get all stakeholders onside, rather than rushing to meet a self-imposed deadline and having to rewrite plans.

These comments from Mark Scanlon sound quite reasonable. Though how he expects to get all stakeholders onside is the big problem that doesn't yet seem to have a solution.

I suspect we'll be having the same exact discussions in three years' time.

Edit - interesting comments on the BBC today from the owner of Darvel, the Scottish sixth-tier side who beat Aberdeen last night -

We have the pyramid system now. Well done to the Scottish FA for agreeing to do this, but it now needs looked at. I think last night shows the strength of teams. We can be a force in Scottish football, but we need this pyramid system to work better for us and enable us to get up the leagues.

So an ambitious club have scope for improving themselves. Sounds the kind of stuff you'd want to encourage really. (I suspect what he wants "looked at" is that there's only one team relegated from the Lowland league and three regional champions from the tier below have to play off for one promotion spot, so Darvel didn't go up despite winning their league. It would make far more sense for each champion to be promoted and three teams to be relegated)

[nigel-harps1954]

NATO FC to join the third tier.

[pineapple stu]

Well we nearly had Irish Sea FC, so I guess why not?

[EatYerGreens]

LTID of all posters is well able to stick up for himself, but where did he say anyone other than Russia was responsible for what's happening right now?

And the amount of offence being taken at the notion that the NATO bloc is (rightly) helping out in the background/by proxy is bizarre.

No-one questioned that NATO are helping out in the defense of Ukraine. But that doesn't mean they're at war. And if accuracy re all who are involved was his thing, surely LTID should've said 'Russia/Iran/North Korea/Belarus' - as those countries are also supplying war arms and resources to Russia, just like NATO is ?

Let's call it out for what it was = a very cheap political point. Sad that some think it's cool and edgy to muddy the waters and go easy on Russia despite their horrendous activities.

[EatYerGreens]

I think you're reading your own view into that first line tbh. I don't see anywhere in LTID's post any indication of who's responsible.

I'd say that listing Ukraine and NATO first in the 'Ukraine/NATO vs Russia' line places the emphasis on the former. Like it's them against Russia, when in reality this is all Russia's doing. It's them against everyone else (bar the mad mullahs, the North Korean tinpot, ad the Bealarussia puppet).

No matter what dancing on the head of a pin is done over this, there was no need to claim that NATO are at war with Russia. And to do so whilst ignoring the countries similarly lined-up on Russia's side is, as has been explained by Buller, clear evidence of one-sided bias. That it's a NATO proxy war - as if Ukraine are just a gormless puppet of the West - is the sort of nonsesense that apologists for Russia are very keen to spread.

[EatYerGreens]

NATO FC to join the third tier.

Limerick would veto them

LTID must be hankering after a return of the Limerick Soviet = Limerick Soviet - Wikipedia

[Lim till i die]

Mods,

Can we set up a seperate forum where people with reading comprehension difficulties can discuss what they think I think about things?

Thanks in advance.

Yours in football etc

[DCWA]

Is this the predictions thread?

What I would love to see this year is conclusive victories for Russia and Derry City in their domestic battles. My prediction however would probably have to be stalemate and 2nd place.

UCD bottom, Galway to come up and Rovers for the cup to round off.

[Eminence Grise]

TLDR the last two pages, but the gist is Kerry is joining NATO, right?

[EatYerGreens]

Mods,

Can we set up a seperate forum where people with reading comprehension difficulties can discuss what they think I think about things?

Thanks in advance.

Yours in football etc

Maybe another one for Russian sympathists to share nudey photos of Mick Wallace on too ?

[EatYerGreens]

TLDR the last two pages, but the gist is Kerry is joining NATO, right?

I thought it was that the Healy-Raes are taking over from Putin in a palace coup?

[Eminence Grise]

Kerry for samovars instead of Kerry for Sam?