Liverpool

[old git]

how did Gerrard "refuse" to play centre mid?? another person who just singles him out. Kuyt,Beneyoun,Babel,Aurelio and Arbeloa were all MUCH worse than him. how can you expect any centre mid player to play well with the 2 "wingers" coming into the centre,so there is nowhere to spread the ball. Alonso hit a few hopeless balls aswel and i take it youre not a Pool fan? if you were youd notice that Alonso,when played last season,was muck aswel whereas Gerrard and El Nino ran amock.

As for the fans not booing the team?? why should they?? we just won with a last minute winner...if that doesnt excite then what does? every time we lost the ball so easily there was moans and groans. no fans should ever booh a winning result.

Its glaringly obvious Liverpool need 2 wingers who stay out wide. this gives the CM's more room to play rather than trying to fit the ball through the smallest of gaps with opposing players right on top of the receiver!

either way though,played 4 terrible terrible games but are still 2/2 wins in league and into group stages.

SG is out for about a month now though so we will see if Pool miss him or not...im betting we will.

if we can all see liverpool need 2 wingers for the last couple of years why oh why can the manager not see it then .. totally inept with ideas last night right across midfield

4 terrible games but are still 2/2 wins in league and group stages lets see now standard leige twice / sunderland / middlesborough not excatly top class teams !!!
as for gerrard & el nino running amok last year.. remind what did liverpool win last year ............. fluck all and scrapped into 4th place way way behind the top 2 chelski & moan united

[newbie]

im not sayin we won anything or that hes the best in the world but the stick he gets is unreal. and him and Torres did run amock but it takes more than 2 players to win things...

havent a clue why we dont have wingers.....i nearly found myself going through the tele with Kuyt and Smellyoun always ALWAYS going infield and cloggin up the pitch,it wouldnt be so bad if Arbeloa or Auerellio could pass cross the ball.

Villa will be a proper test though at Villa Pk and without Gerrard aswel...

should play Masch for defo,Alonso is not a protecting midfielder.

[Bohemian1890]

im not sayin we won anything or that hes the best in the world but the stick he gets is unreal. and him and Torres did run amock but it takes more than 2 players to win things...

havent a clue why we dont have wingers.....i nearly found myself going through the tele with Kuyt and Smellyoun always ALWAYS going infield and cloggin up the pitch,it wouldnt be so bad if Arbeloa or Auerellio could pass cross the ball.

Villa will be a proper test though at Villa Pk and without Gerrard aswel...

should play Masch for defo,Alonso is not a protecting midfielder.

Gerrard and Torres ran amokSL should have went through and it only takes one player to change a game

[newbie]

it makes me laugh when people try to be funny even though they dont really know what they are talking about...

Have you seen Masch lpay for the Argies? Hes much better as he doesnt need to hold as much....but what he does at liverpool is give Gerrard freedom to go forward,which he does better than most. hes a much better player than hes given credit for.
Carra is a quality defender,end of. i suppose Vidic,Brown,Terry,Toure are all footballing gods at CB?

you predicted a Pool defeat the other night...anymore tips for the weekend?

SL defo should have gone through the other night but they didnt,you dont always get what you deserve in footy,i just hope Liverpool can make the most of it now.

[newbie]

no its not his sole reason for being in the team but it is one of them. anwya he doesnt have to give him freedom for the next few weeks as SG aint playin so hopefully we'll see the Argie Masch.

It just frustrates me when Manc/Arsenal fans (not sayin youre one) say this that and the other about obviously very good players but if they were in the United squad they would think they were great.

one thing i will defo agree with you on is Arbeloa...he is TERRIBLE!!!!!

[Roadend]

So your saying Mascherano is in the team to give Gerrard freedom?? He's like a dog after a bone, and when he finally gets it, he hasn't a clue what to do with it... As for Carragher, none of the players you mentioned hoofs the ball away as much as he does. He's a superb defender, but he thinks he has to play safe every time. Pass it every once in awhile for Petes sake.

Didn't he hoof it away into the net on Saturday

[old git]

im not sayin we won anything or that hes the best in the world but the stick he gets is unreal. and him and Torres did run amock but it takes more than 2 players to win things...

havent a clue why we dont have wingers.....i nearly found myself going through the tele with Kuyt and Smellyoun always ALWAYS going infield and cloggin up the pitch,it wouldnt be so bad if Arbeloa or Auerellio could pass cross the ball.

Villa will be a proper test though at Villa Pk and without Gerrard aswel...

should play Masch for defo,Alonso is not a protecting midfielder.

the stick he gets is unreal ... !! nothing from the press and pundits as they think the sun shines out of his ar*e... think of the stick and abuse ronaldo gets and he really did run amok last year .

surely benetiz has to realise he needs 1 or 2 decent wingers how much longer can he keep ignoring it

[old git]

Didn't he hoof it away into the net on Saturday

hoofed it away of pogitez chest into net ... heading for corner flag before deflection

[Roadend]

Tut tut, he placed it onto Pogatez's chest knowing he'd angle it in off it. Genius.

[papa-j]

This makes me laugh. Only since Claude Makelele came to England do managers suddenly feel the need to play Water Carriers as Cantona once put it. The game is full of poor footballers who can run all day and win the ball and make tackles but not pass any better than their Grandmother. Mascherano is a workhorse no doubt, but he's a terrible footballer. Keane, Viera, Essien, they all had everything. Work, tackle and the football too. If I were Benitez I'd play Alonso and Gerrard. Send Mascherano to Football school along with Jamie 'I like to hoof every ball' Carragher and Alvaro 'I'm far crapper than Finnan but I'm Spanish so I play' Arbeloa

you are completey wrong about Mascherano. He is a top class footballer great positioning, workrate, disciplined, tackles, runs, links play all the time. He will sit in fron of the back four with Alonso in a 4-2-3-1 formation that worked brilliantly for last 10 games of last season. So in that sense carragher doesn't need to play ball as he can link it to Masherano or Alonso in any case both Agger and Skertel are comfortable on the ball. Carragher you cant deny is a very good defender - which is what he gets paid for. Regarding Arbeloa no argument there - he is MR average -ok at most things but not that good really. Finnan is better but struggling with fitness and looks to be on the way out. I still think liverpool will sign a left winger plus an attack minded right sided player before Monday.

[mypost]

Just think 'pool' fans would have expected a little more than to scrape past a 14/1 outsider.

When the mancs win despite a below-par performance, it's down to the "never-say-die" attitude, when we do it, it's because "Liverpool are crap".

Job done, move on to a much tougher group phase.

[Roadend]

At least Liege have been rewarded with a handy tie in the UEFA cup to console them somewhat.

[razor]

Job done, move on to a much tougher group phase.

Agree but in my opinion neither of the full backs are up to the job.
Arbeloa and Aurelio are terrible, haven't seen a whole lot of Dossena to have an opinion but Finnan surely deserves his place.
Benayoun is also out of his depth, terrible stuff.

[papa-j]

Ha ha ha... Look at what you listed.. Wheres passing, dribbling, assisting, scoring, heading?? He's a water carrier.. A general dogs body. I dare you to watch him on Sunday at Villa. You count the amount of passes he makes. Or forward passes even. He reminds me a lot of David Batty. Tackle tackle tackle, pass it two yards backward, tackle tackle tackle... Snore...

you conviently choose to ignore the links play all the time part of my comment. Fits perfectly into the team - it takes all kinds to blend a team and he is world class at what he does for the team. Jeez David Batty..you clearly dont rate the man with that comparison.
Anyway watch the game Sunday and watch how much more balanced the team will look with him in it. He does his job and does it really well to boot.

[papa-j]

At least Liege have been rewarded with a handy tie in the UEFA cup to console them somewhat.

ha. It was bound to happen. Everton cant be happy with that draw.

[Thunderblaster]

I have to say that I have been disappointed with Liverpool so far this season. Yes, we won our last three but we need pacy, tricky wingers to bring width into the team and stretch opposing defenders. We are too shallow; all the play is going down the centre. It certainly does not help Gerrard's game...he needs the space to open up defences. With all due respect to Steve Finnan, and he has been a consistent player for Liverpool, he is 32 and he is hardly going to get any better, but there has to be better full backs out there. Hoofing is not one of the traditions instilled at Liverpool FC under the legendary Bill Shankly; the last exciting Liverpool team was under Roy Evans. Houllier's football was very boring.

[old git]

When the mancs win despite a below-par performance, it's down to the "never-say-die" attitude, when we do it, it's because "Liverpool are crap".

Job done, move on to a much tougher group phase.

why bring your love of manchester united into it.. unfortunatly the mancs do it with a mixture of never say die attitude and a lot of great football / movement of players and our course a couple of half decent wide players something which is sadly missing from liverpool at the moment

[Monkfish]

God help the Pool if they ever lose Torres for any length of time, could not even manage one shot on target against Villa, and with Robbie Keane miles behind Darren Fletcher in the goalscoring chart you'd have to wonder if another Crouchesque drought is on the way.

Defence was ok though.

[mypost]

why bring your love of manchester united into it..

Yesterday's game showed that without SG running the midfield, the team doesn't function.

[Roadend]

Yesterday's game showed that RB doesn;t have faith in the players he bought. Villa are no great shakes and they played a defensive system against them. Mind boggling.