Why are Cork City not being deducted points?

**eamo1** · 24/08/2008, 11:41 PM

Lads,im not trying to stir anything here im just asking a question.Shamrock Rvs had to get an examiner and had points deducted,Longford Town too last season.So can someone explain why CCFC havent been docked points when the others were?My mum was asking me this qs earlier and i said i didnt know but id ask it on here.

**skitz3** · 24/08/2008, 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by eamo1

Lads,im not trying to stir anything here im just asking a question.Shamrock Rvs had to get an examiner and had points deducted,Longford Town too last season.So can someone explain why CCFC havent been docked points when the others were?My mum was asking me this qs earlier and i said i didnt know but id ask it on here.

Shels were also demoted.

**A face** · 25/08/2008, 12:10 AM

Because the books are not cooked. Thats the reason the others fell foul, in our case they are not.

**kdjaC** · 25/08/2008, 12:32 AM

Originally Posted by A face

Because the books are not cooked. Thats the reason the others fell foul, in our case they are not.

So the "projected" attendances have been below expectation thus creating a financial drop.

^^ what cork did.

if they dont pay their players and the PFAI get involved they will be docked points relegated etc: Arkaga filled in the licence app very well so are safe as they can always point to the above....for now.

kdjac

**higgins** · 25/08/2008, 12:39 AM

So you are within the 65% for the year are you ?

The very fact you are under examinership should be enough for a points deduction in my opinion. This option should be a last resort for clubs and while I do wish Cork come out stronger the other side it has a bad effect on the league as a whole when this happens. For that reason you should be deducted a similar set of points as clubs in the uk are when they go into administration.

Not paying your debts as may happen under this process is giving you an unfair advantage on the pitch.

Shels were punished (rightly so) but there will come a time when all debts will be cleared.
Nobody will ever be left without their money.

**A face** · 25/08/2008, 12:39 AM

Originally Posted by kdjaC

So the "projected" attendances have been below expectation thus creating a financial drop.

No, that would have nothing to do with it, where are you getting that from? Actually forget it .... that is not the issue.

if they dont pay their players and the PFAI get involved they will be docked points relegated etc: Arkaga filled in the licence app very well so are safe as they can always point to the above....for now.

The players have never not been paid. I haven't been paid by my boss for three weeks, i get paid monthly but its still three weeks without pay.

Its all based on 'for now'

**A face** · 25/08/2008, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by higgins

So you are within the 65% for the year are you ?

I dunno, i dont pay the players AND know our total income. Both figures would be essential to answer that question.

**kdjaC** · 25/08/2008, 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by A face

No, that would have nothing to do with it, where are you getting that from? Actually forget it .... that is not the issue.

ehh yes it is you got a licence to operate based on projections, the attd projection being the main thing in securing your funding and ability to pay players and keeping within the 65% cap...ehh ffs your a cork fan you should know this

Your attd have been lower than expected thus creating a shortfall...again wtf why am i explaining this to a cork fan

Originally Posted by A face

The players have never not been paid. I haven't been paid by my boss for three weeks, i get paid monthly but its still three weeks without pay.

Its all based on 'for now'

if the players are happy to not get paid then fine, but once they are not ala Rogers at shels and the PFAI are brought in then its a problem, nowt to do with cork but more a slating of how the FAI work with their retardedly implemented licencing system.

kdjac

**SMorgan** · 25/08/2008, 7:03 AM

Give it time. CCFC have to be sanctioned. We were assured that the stable door was bolted after Rovers got nearly all their debts written off.

Any club that fails to operate within the financial restrains that other clubs operate within are cheating and any sanction by the FAI should reflect this fact.

**Dodge** · 25/08/2008, 7:33 AM

Again, ROvers weren't docked point for going into examinership, they were docked points for submitting the wrong accounts. Shels weren't demoted either. They couldn't get a new premier division license for that season. No sanctions were imposed on them for the season the indiscretions took place. (Rightly, the fact they were in the first was seen as enough)

However, the new league participation agreement clearly states that "any" sanctions are open to the FAI/league to impose if a club goes into examinsership. Points deduction would be the logical sanction.

**bohs til i die** · 25/08/2008, 8:16 AM

Originally Posted by higgins

So you are within the 65% for the year are you ?

The very fact you are under examinership should be enough for a points deduction in my opinion. This option should be a last resort for clubs and while I do wish Cork come out stronger the other side it has a bad effect on the league as a whole when this happens. For that reason you should be deducted a similar set of points as clubs in the uk are when they go into administration.

Not paying your debts as may happen under this process is giving you an unfair advantage on the pitch.

Shels were punished (rightly so) but there will come a time when all debts will be cleared.
Nobody will ever be left without their money.

Cork should not be punished until the examinership process is complete. If they do get away without paying their debts in full they should be docked points. I do however think they should start next season with the points deduction instead of losing the points this season.

**centre mid** · 25/08/2008, 8:26 AM

The licenscing committee has not met yet to discuss this afaik, its up to them whether Cork or Arkaga have broken any rules, if they find they have then a points deduction could be applied.

**jebus** · 25/08/2008, 8:38 AM

Aren't the FAI deciding on a punishment at the start of next month lads? Wait til then to kick up a fuss if you feel Cork are being let off lightly

**Macy** · 25/08/2008, 8:39 AM

Originally Posted by A face

Because the books are not cooked. Thats the reason the others fell foul, in our case they are not.

Not living up to the guarantee's given, if given as part of the licencing process, could well mean a points deduction. It wasn't for cooked books any of the clubs mentioned above were deducted points for - it was for breaches of the licence (Rovers wrong accounts submitted, Longford incomplete application, Shels non payment of players).

**micls** · 25/08/2008, 9:42 AM

Would they not wait til after examinership to decide this?

No point deducting points from a non-existant club.
Or for example if Arkaga are still in charge they proabbly just wont be giving them a license etc etc.

Also the 65% is over the year so theoretically even if we had broken it till now(because of them not putting int he money they said they would) there still is enough time to get back under.

Im frustrated that there isnt a clearly outlined punishment but expect something/

**A face** · 25/08/2008, 9:44 AM

Originally Posted by kdjaC

ehh yes it is you got a licence to operate based on projections, the attd projection being the main thing in securing your funding and ability to pay players and keeping within the 65% cap...ehh ffs your a cork fan you should know this

Your attd have been lower than expected thus creating a shortfall...again wtf why am i explaining this to a cork fan

That would all be relevant if attendances were the issue, the attendances haven't dropped this year. There isn't a staggering increase either mind, but it hasn't dropped.

Why do you keep bringing up attendances? Are you obsessed by them or something?

if the players are happy to not get paid then fine, but once they are not ala Rogers at shels and the PFAI are brought in then its a problem, nowt to do with cork but more a slating of how the FAI work with their retardedly implemented licencing system.

I know it would be handy for the PFAI to tap up a few players for Pats again but the club would still have contravene the rules for the PFAI to be able to do that.

**A face** · 25/08/2008, 9:46 AM

Originally Posted by micls

Would they not wait til after examinership to decide this?

No point deducting points from a non-existant club.
Or for example if Arkaga are still in charge they proabbly just wont be giving them a license etc etc.

Also the 65% is over the year so theoretically even if we had broken it till now(because of them not putting int he money they said they would) there still is enough time to get back under.

Im frustrated that there isnt a clearly outlined punishment but expect something/

What you said !!

**micls** · 25/08/2008, 9:46 AM

Originally Posted by kdjaC

Your attd have been lower than expected thus creating a shortfall...again wtf why am i explaining this to a cork fan

kdjac

Have they? I would have thought the shortfall was because of money Arkaga pledged to put in and didnt because our attendances are actually up this year.

Although given the clowns in charge I wouldnt be surprised if they predicted a huge jump in attendance

**A face** · 25/08/2008, 9:50 AM

Originally Posted by micls

Have they? I would have thought the shortfall was because of money Arkaga pledged to put in and didnt because our attendances are actually up this year.

Although given the clowns in charge I wouldnt be surprised if they predicted a huge jump in attendance

I'm sure he is obsessed with attendances, thats why he keeps bringing it up.

**Dodge** · 25/08/2008, 10:13 AM

Maybe he's talking about projected attendances. If your average was 3,000 and you aimed for 4,000 but only got 3,500, you're in trouble even with the increase.

And before anyone starts, I made up these figures, and they're not relevent to any club. just want to illustrate what I think kdjac means.

Also, give it up with the PFAI/Pats stuff a face. One player joined, and he wanted to leave anyway. His union just worked for him. And tapping up happens everywhere. Grow up FFS