Andy Reid's exclusion

**geysir** · 04/09/2008, 10:50 AM

The greater conundrum is the subs bench pecking order.
It's if S Reid gets injured then Miller will be the sub
If Hunt gets injured then Keogh will replace him.

I'd say even Andy Reid's farts smell sweeter than those two.

**Noelys Guitar** · 04/09/2008, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by geysir

The greater conundrum is the subs bench pecking order.
It's if S Reid gets injured then Miller will be the sub
If Hunt gets injured then Keogh will replace him.

I'd say even Andy Reid's farts smell sweeter than those two.

My worry is if we go behind in either game or are struggling at 0-0. Bringing on Miller or Keogh is unlikely to change anything. And I don't buy Reid can't cover the ground theory. He lasted 120mins against Forest for Sunderland and was the best player on the pitch. Against City the whole Sunderland collapsed after the first goal.

**Wexford Delboy** · 04/09/2008, 1:34 PM

Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar

My worry is if we go behind in either game or are struggling at 0-0. Bringing on Miller or Keogh is unlikely to change anything. And I don't buy Reid can't cover the ground theory. He lasted 120mins against Forest for Sunderland and was the best player on the pitch. Against City the whole Sunderland collapsed after the first goal.

i know it was only a friendly but against serbia keogh came on and made a difference

**Stuttgart88** · 04/09/2008, 1:39 PM

Originally Posted by geysir

The greater conundrum is the subs bench pecking order.
It's if S Reid gets injured then Miller will be the sub
If Hunt gets injured then Keogh will replace him.

You'd kind of hope / expect that a manager would introduce subs depending on what's required rather than by using a pecking order.

**geysir** · 04/09/2008, 1:43 PM

My point being that whatever is needed at CM, Miller is overshadowed by Andy Reid in all aspects of the game.
Same would be if a RM was needed, then he overshadows anything that Keogh can do out there.

**Stuttgart88** · 04/09/2008, 1:45 PM

Overshadowed isn't another weight reference I presume!

**geysir** · 04/09/2008, 2:00 PM

That's just another aspect he overshadows them in

**bobloblaw** · 04/09/2008, 11:16 PM

Think its showing a real lack of ambition that we can't find a place in our side for by far our most creative talent. I'm not bothered if he doesn't play on the left, because quite simply Hunt and Keogh are better options out there, so fair enough.

And it irks me that he appears to be getting punished for his creativity, because whenever i've watched him he's more than willing to put in the leg work too. He's not one to just swan around the pitch with his thumb up his arse.

So get him in the side, drop Doyle, who should be nowhere near our side at present. He's been garbage for months now.

I'm all for giving Trap time, but if we lose games or drop points because we lack a bit of creativity(while Reid sits on the bench) we'll know why.

**hunt4the** · 05/09/2008, 11:34 PM

no surprise reid is'nt in trap's plans given his defensive mindset,
I think he's right going with whelan though gives us much more balance,
i can't remember andy reid in a midfield pairing ever being anyways convincing

**irishfan86** · 06/09/2008, 3:47 AM

Originally Posted by hunt4the

i can't remember andy reid in a midfield pairing ever being anyways convincing

Didn't watch our game against Germany last time around, eh?

**superfrank** · 06/09/2008, 11:53 AM

Here's Trap's thoughts on Glenn Whelan.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...ls/7599194.stm

I'd rather see Reid ahead of Whelan but none of us see what goes on on the football pitch and none of us know what Trap wants from his midfield. Give Whelan a chance and see how he does against Georgia today.

**dr_peepee** · 07/09/2008, 9:49 AM

Maybe it's his weight after all??? I was hoping to see a change after a proper pre season but none came....

**Wheels** · 07/09/2008, 8:14 PM

1. Could Trap be keeping Andy as a secret weapon for the first BIG game?

2. Could Trap be hoping to push Andy to the next level to prove himself? Maybe he thinks he is now very good... but could be great?

3. Or could I just be deluding myself...

**Scram** · 07/09/2008, 8:51 PM

Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar

My worry is if we go behind in either game or are struggling at 0-0. Bringing on Miller or Keogh is unlikely to change anything. And I don't buy Reid can't cover the ground theory. He lasted 120mins against Forest for Sunderland and was the best player on the pitch. Against City the whole Sunderland collapsed after the first goal.

Yeah, he was all over the pitch (in a good way!) v Forest. I'm astonished that he played no part v Georgia. Miller before Reid??? Where, when, why???

I'd worry now that if Andy does come on he has that sh!t feeling that he has to prove himself and can't relax in to his game.

What is going on? Did Andy steal Trappa's pizza or what?

**tetsujin1979** · 07/09/2008, 9:37 PM

I was watching the highlights of the weekend's games on Setanta. Pat Dolan was convinced that Andy Reid is being kept out of the team by Trapattoni for a personal reason, that Reid had offended him in some way. The host (sorry, can't think of his name) rightly called him on this, said it was unlikely, at best.

**irishultra** · 07/09/2008, 9:40 PM

Pat Dolan was talking **** as usual....I swear I think its when he's not eating he needs to occupy himself by talking ****, as opposed to his diet where he eats ****.

**hunt4the** · 07/09/2008, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by irishfan86

Didn't watch our game against Germany last time around, eh?

yea was at that game, and germans werent even trying,
we were just playing for pride only

**Splurge** · 07/09/2008, 11:53 PM

To be honest i'd rate Stephen Reid of the two and Whelean is in to do a job that Andy is in no way cut out to do.
It's up to Andy now to push for a place and not be sulking that Trappa's english isnt the best.

**Scram** · 08/09/2008, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

I was watching the highlights of the weekend's games on Setanta. Pat Dolan was convinced that Andy Reid is being kept out of the team by Trapattoni for a personal reason, that Reid had offended him in some way. The host (sorry, can't think of his name) rightly called him on this, said it was unlikely, at best.

I heard that Andy ate Trappatoni's Domino's Pepperoni Pizza and Trappa found out. When you steal a pizza for the Capo De Tutti Capa you end up with da fishes wearing concrete boots.

But seriously Ted, it does seem bizarre and certainly insulting that Trappa De Tutti Capa would put on Miller and Keogh before Andy. He has to be wondering himself what's gone wrong.

Let's not forget that leaving Carlsley out of the side and then Andy on the bench (v the Czechs?) was the beginning of the end of Staunton!

The comments that "Andy cannot do Glenn Whelan's job" are nonsense to anyone who's ACTUALLY watched Andy play lately.

He will have to feature against Montenegro. If not, and we lose, on Trappa's head be it!

**irishultra** · 08/09/2008, 1:23 PM

Papers seem to think his injury in May and missing out on Portugal means Trapattoni can't find a system for him, but surely a manager on his salary and prestige should be able.