Cork City Examinership

[pineapple stu]

Running a competitive Premier Division team which can compete against mid-ranking European sides is a different matter entirely.

Do you consider the bolded bit a necessity? Cos we can't afford it in the slightest.

Unless, of course, you Bulgarian or English opposition mid-ranking.

[Demoshield]

We won. Suits me.

How long did Joe Gamble sign his new contract for?

About 5/6 seconds or so. That's only a guess tho.
Heard they started teaching them Corkies how to write a few years ago and some of them are quite good at it now.
I'm sure the UCD lads would still be better at signing contracts tho with all that education they get
I believe the contract he signed is for seasons 2009/2010/2011.

[OneRedArmy]

What reward is this?

Excellent use of hindsight vision there (if the outcome was guaranteed regardless of input, then nobody would take any risk).

Regardless of that blinding glimpse of the obvious, there was undoubtedly short-term reward for a number of clubs both financially and in terms of profile, attendence, kudos etc.

Granted, thus far there has been no long-term reward as yet but given you haven't experienced the short-term benefits, I don't think you are qualified to assess them. As an example, in 20 years time, do you think I'll be remembering beating IFK Goteborg away in the Ullevi or beating UCD in the League Cup on a grassy bank in Belfield?

[HarpoJoyce]

....... As an example, in 20 years time, do you think I'll be remembering beating IFK Goteborg away in the Ullevi or beating UCD in the League Cup on a grassy bank in Belfield?

The pitch was never that sloopy!

[fergalr]

I dont think Rovers are completely debt free

You think wrong.

[HarpoJoyce]

You think wrong.

I'm not sure, but there may be a debt of gratitude outstanding.

[pineapple stu]

About 5/6 seconds or so. That's only a guess tho.
Heard they started teaching them Corkies how to write a few years ago and some of them are quite good at it now.

Boom dish!

Asked for that.

Excellent use of hindsight vision there

Except it's not really hindsight; people have known that the CL Group stages, say (which would probably be needed to recoup the money lost), are light years away even from the money we're spending.

there was undoubtedly short-term reward for a number of clubs both financially and in terms of profile, attendence, kudos etc.

Short term's worth nothing. The league needs to build long term. Where's the La Coruna crowd now? Short-term's largely irrelevant. You say "Granted, thus far there has been no long-term reward as yet" - I'd argue that that's not exactly a coincidence.

As an example, in 20 years time, do you think I'll be remembering beating IFK Goteborg away in the Ullevi or beating UCD in the League Cup on a grassy bank in Belfield?

Let's ask the Shels fans, shall we?

So you reckon your club is expendable if it gives you one glimpse of a dream which is completely unachievable under any sensible means? Fair enough; we'll have to differ there so.

20 years goes back before my time, but I know those at the club that long are quite happy that we stepped back from the brink after winning the Cup and losing 1-0 to Everton in a Shels/Cork/Pat's/Drogs/Bohs fashion.

[pete]

Are UCD amateur? With crowds of 500 & no revenue outside gate receipts doesn't leave any money to pay players?

I presume the subsidy from the college is in the form of administrative & coaching staff?

[OneRedArmy]

So you reckon your club is expendable if it gives you one glimpse of a dream which is completely unachievable under any sensible means? Fair enough; we'll have to differ there so.

As I said above
1) you haven't experienced the success so frankly, you're not in a good position to comment.
2) if it pushes the club over the edge then no its not worth it, if they survive to fight another day then its a different story

Shels is a good example. I bet their fans wouldn't trade in their League titles and European success for mediocre stability throughout the last 10 years. My beef with Shels is that they pushed it so far they were arguably trading insolvent when they won their last title (from Derry so I'm biased in that regard).

As Beckett said
"Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better."

[sonofstan]

As Beckett said
"Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better."

Recently, in one of those competitions they have on TV3 where you have to answer a silly question in order to enter, you were asked to name the trophy for the Gah football championship: was it a) the Same Spud, b) the Sam Maguire or c) the Sam Beckett...... I was amused at the idea of a Sam Beckett trophy, but it would probably be appropriate for the LoI - not just in the light of the 'fail better' quote (which people tend to misinterpret as being an encouragement to 'try and try and try again' rather than daring you to embrace catastrophe), but more in a Waiting for Godot sort of a way, if Godot can be taken to mean 'the group stages of the champions league'.

[Student Mullet]

Are UCD amateur? With crowds of 500 & no revenue outside gate receipts doesn't leave any money to pay players?

I presume the subsidy from the college is in the form of administrative & coaching staff?

[Off Topic]
Some of the players would get a bit of money, others are amateur. The main subsidy from the college is a free ground and grounds staff. There's only one full time admin person in UCD soccer and the college pays a portion of his wage but he also spends a portion of his time running college competitions and training the inter varsity teams so there's nothing particularly unfair about that.
[/Off Topic]

[OneRedArmy]

Recently, in one of those competitions they have on TV3 where you have to answer a silly question in order to enter, you were asked to name the trophy for the Gah football championship: was it a) the Same Spud, b) the Sam Maguire or c) the Sam Beckett...... I was amused at the idea of a Sam Beckett trophy, but it would probably be appropriate for the LoI - not just in the light of the 'fail better' quote (which people tend to misinterpret as being an encouragement to 'try and try and try again' rather than daring you to embrace catastrophe), but more in a Waiting for Godot sort of a way, if Godot can be taken to mean 'the group stages of the champions league'.

Who is Sam Beckett, I was quoting ex-City legend Gary Beckett

[HarpoJoyce]

I was amused at the idea of a Sam Beckett trophy, but it would probably be appropriate for the LoI -

Who are the two central characters?
Maybe, Bill Bagster and Damien Richardson.

[gael353]

if we have 4 astro parks which are 5 a side courts now take of your shoes and socks and begin to count ...maths my boll**
and i remember the game well not a bottle of buckfast or cider left

then i shall revise my generous figure from 60 to 40 which still has nothing to do with the 52 act watching the match

[Longfordian]

To be fair Sam Beckett would be quite appropriate, we're always waiting for somebody to make the next leap. A quantum leap if you will..

[passerrby]

To be fair Sam Beckett would be quite appropriate, we're always waiting for somebody to make the next leap. A quantum leap if you will..

I would prefer kipling for his IF poem and as sponsor we might get some exceedingly good cakes

[Schumi]

Are UCD amateur? With crowds of 500 & no revenue outside gate receipts doesn't leave any money to pay players?

What?? Where'd you get that idea from?

[higgins]

My beef with Shels is that they pushed it so far they were arguably trading insolvent when they won their last title (from Derry so I'm biased in that regard).

Ollie pushed the boat out big time in order to achieve success.
Wrong thing to do of course but not sure where you are going with your buying the title style comment.

Any debts we built up are going to be paid off, a lot have already been paid off.

At no stage will anyone left without being paid.

What happened at Shels wasn't the way to run a business of course but talk of buying titles is just rubbish. Ollie spent the ground money before the deal was done. Had he concluded the deal to sell the ground and then brought in a team on 40K a week wages and won the league would you claim we bought it ?

What happened at Shels was different to what happened at other clubs.

We are going to pay for that success for the next few years at the very least but give up on the buying the title talk. No 65% rule was in place at the time so spending more than you had in one season wasn't breaking any rules.

[lofty9]

Apologies if already brought up here - Would a £7m or £8m move for Kevin Doyle help Cork out? Just reading the newspaper with speculation of a move to Villa. Have Cork a sell on fee?

[sullanefc]

Apologies if already brought up here - Would a £7m or £8m move for Kevin Doyle help Cork out? Just reading the newspaper with speculation of a move to Villa. Have Cork a sell on fee?

Rumoured to be 10%