Six One news just said S.Reid won't play but I'm guessing the report is a few hours old.
I'm also not entirely convinced. He had a good first half of last season and an amazing game against Aberdeen but since then has looked fairly poor. I've looked at the celtic games on tv this season so far to see how he's getting on and he was easily dispossessed by average at best defenders.Originally Posted by theworm2345
However, I'd definately start him before Hunt
I'm very surprised Andy Reid is out... There was no talk of any injury concern... I'm a big fan of Miller, but Andy is better. Andy is captain for Sunderland... Liam can't get onto the 7-man subs bench... very odd.
I can only presume that Trap wants to get a look at Miller before the qualifying campaign starts. I could be wrong but didn't he have high praise for A Reid in the press a while ago? Also with the reports of S Reid being unavailable on the news a short while ago there could have been a mix up with the reporting of the team.
I suspect there has been something lost in translation, there is genuine confusion over which Reid is set to start.
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I think Liam Miller has had enough chances and is not good enough for this level.
He's been very poor in the 2 games season but it's wrong to say he only performed well in the first half of last season. He was consistently excellent right up the end of the season when Hartley and Robson broke into the team and won the league with pure grit and effort.
His motm votes from last season on kerrydalestreet.com (voted for by about 200 Celtic fans every match):
29-Aug-07 Celtic 1 v 1 Sp Moscow CL Qual - Boruc - McManus - McGeady
15-Sep-07 Celtic 5 v 0 ICT SPL - McGeady - Donati - Boruc
23-Sep-07 Hibs 3 v 2 Celtic SPL - Hartley - Doumbe - McGeady
29-Sep-07 Celtic 3 v 0 Dundee Utd SPL - McDonald - McGeady - Brown S
20-Oct-07 Rangers 3 v 0 Celtic SPL - Jarosik - McDonald - McGeady
24-Oct-07 Benfica 1 v 0 Celtic CL - Boruc - McGeady - Hartley
27-Oct-07 Celtic 3 v 0 Motherwell SPL - McDonald - McGeady - Brown S
31-Oct-07 Celtic 0 v 2 Hearts CIS - McGeady - Brown S - Hartley
03-Nov-07 Killie 1 v 2 Celtic SPL - McDonald - McGeady - Hartley
06-Nov-07 Celtic 1 v 0 Benfica CL - McGeady - Hartley - McDonald
24-Nov-07 Celtic 3 v 0 Aberdeen SPL - Brown S - McGeady - Jarosik
28-Nov-07 Celtic 2 v 1 Shakhtar Donetsk CL - Jarosik - McGeady - Hartley
08-Dec-07 Celtic 1 v 1 St Mirren SPL - Sno - Riordan - McGeady
11-Dec-07 Celtic 4 v 0 Falkirk SPL - McGeady - Brown S - McDonald
16-Dec-07 ICT 3 v 2 Celtic SPL - JVoH - McGeady - Donati
22-Dec-07 Celtic 1 v 1 Hibs SPL - McGeady - JVoH - Brown S
26-Dec-07 Dundee Utd 0 v 2 Celtic SPL - Balde - McGeady - Brown S
29-Dec-07 Celtic 3 v 0 Gretna SPL McGeady - Boruc - Brown S
12-Jan-08 Celtic 3 v 0 Stirling Scottish Cup Hinkel - McGeady - Donati
10-Feb-08 Aberdeen 1 v 5 Celtic SPL McGeady - McDonald - Hartley
16-Feb-08 Celtic 3 v 0 Hearts SPL Donati - McGeady - Brown S
20-Feb-08 Celtic 2 v 3 Barcelona CL16 Boruc - JVoH - McGeady
24-Feb-08 St Mirren 0 v 1 Celtic SPL Boruc - McGeady - Nakamura
27-Feb-08 Celtic 2 v 1 ICT SPL Samaras - McGeady - Nakamura
01-Mar-08 Hibs 0 v 2 Celtic SPL Brown S - McGeady - Naylor
12-Mar-08 Celtic 0 v 0 Dundee Utd SPL Hinkel - Naylor - McGeady
23-Mar-08 Gretna 0 v 3 Celtic SPL JVoH - Hinkel - McGeady
29-Mar-08 Rangers 1 v 0 Celtic SPL Hinkel - Samaras - McGeady
05-Apr-08 Celtic 0 v 1 Motherwell SPL McGeady - Hinkel - Brown S
Agreed.Give Garvan a chance.Miller is just not up to it.
Whelan is playing and Miller is in for S Reid if he is not fit. So what happened to Andy Reid
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The importance of the game hinges on whether S.Reid is fit now.
A.Reid is a strange won. What are the chances of Roy Keane requesting he not start?
I'm very surprised Andy Reid isn't starting but have subscribed to the theory for some time that two defensive style midfielders are required (S Reid and Whelan in this case) and that Keane, McGeady,Duff and Reid should not all start. I personally would have dropped Duff and kept A Reid...
Keane can't do the lone front man and would be wasted up there, plus Trap has gone on record he sees him in a deeper role so no surprise that Doyle has started.
All things considered it looks like a decent formation that offers consistency going foward. We're never going to have a full squad to choose from and this offer some relatively seemless transitions when required... Though I'd rather see Delaney and O'Brien the Kilbane and Miller.
I'd drop anyone for Reid. He's our best and most influential player imo.
I don't think Miller and Whelan are great defensively anyway.
A central midfield of Miller and Whelan with those 2 wide men and 2 up front just reminds me of Celtic without Naka. Give it to the wide men, sit back and hope for the best.
Last edited by eirebhoy; 19/08/2008 at 8:16 PM.
Oh damn:
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"From a tactical point of view it will be tough for Trapattoni to field Pirlo without upsetting the balance of his side. He adds creativity to the midfield but sacrificing Perrotta or Zanetti might leave the defence short of cover."
Maybe Trap just won't sacrifice his system for any player.
I'm crossing my fingers that Reid picked up a knock or something.
I am certain that the inclusion of Liam Miller is down to Liam Brady's involvement (he always went on and on about him as a pundit).
The possibility of Miller being picked ahead of Andy Reid in a competitive game almost makes me physically ill.
Totally agree.
He is basically saying that he wants 6 defensive player and 4 attacking ones which will be the formation probably used for the away qualifiers. Thats all well and good if the 2 central midfielders are Steven Reid and Carsley, but to have Miller anywhere near that team is incredible. We seen that Miller and Whelan were destroyed against Columbia but I didnt worry then because I though that was only because of injuries and we would never see them pair up again. Leaving Andy Reid out of the midfield is devasting, his work rate and defensive abilties are massively under rated,he was brilliant in that regard against the Germans in Croker last year, but most importantly when he has the ball he can do something with it.The biggest problem with Whelan and Miller is that the oppositon will keep getting the ball back and our attacking players will be completely out of the game.Ive been so excited at the prospect of Trappatoni but this has really really disappointed me
Its really not that complicated!!!
I agree - Andy Reid should definitely start in the quailfiers... and I think he will... but it's a little worrying that he isn't starting the game tomorrow...
I think Carsley and Steven Reid would make sense together, it's a shame Carsley couldn't be there for this game.
Someone on another forum has just said "Knives out for the manager already? Fickle, fickle" because a few people are unhappy that Reid might potentially not make Traps teams for the 2 big games coming up. I can't post here until after work tomorrow so thought I'd make a point now before anyone says something similar here.
I was delighted to get Trap. I didn't mind that he has a reputation for playing boring football because for once we'd be playing intelligent football. He's much more likely to bring us success than any other manager we could have got. It was without doubt the right choice to get him and I'm delighted to have him.
I just hope that if Trap's team is successful it contains the most intelligent and best passer of a ball we've had in years. If he doesn't feel we could be as successful with Reid starting every game then that's fair enough but I think we'd all rather Andy Reid in a team instead of Whelan or Miller. Trap knows as much as any of us that Reid is a better footballer than Miller but success comes first.
Last edited by eirebhoy; 19/08/2008 at 10:45 PM.
Jesus will people stop jumping the gun, he may be injured, there could be a few other reasons. Sometimes people are just so quick to complain and give out
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Spot on, excellent point. I agree with eirebhoy that he is our best player and I think he is a player that we badly missed during the last campaign.
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