Reformation of the Smiths or Stone Roses question

**Wolfie** · 29/07/2008, 3:25 PM

Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie

Noel Gallagher is at least the same age as the Roses boys and was probably writing songs as long as them. I suspect, possibly while being admirably gracious and complimentary, he was overegging the pudding somewhat regarding how huge an impact they had on him.

Attitude? you'd swear they were the first band ever to have a mad for it cheeky monkey attitude. They don't just have a different sound ...there are likely more points of cross-comparability between an Oasis record and a Status Quo record than between an Oasis record and a Stone Roses one.

Oasis Rip Off Song
..there's tomorrows headline already.

Given. I probably shouldn't have played down the ill-feeling between Brown and Squire. Though I will say it appears to just mirror the situation with the Smiths whereby Morrissey doesn't rule out working with Marr again but Marr isn't having a barre of it.

"No Stone Roses, No Oasis" - Noel Gallagher's words not mine. He's stated it repeatedly and with conviction.

Noel Gallagher is 5 years younger than Brown and Squire. Admittedly, not a massive gap but their achievements made up Gallaghers mind he could also make the grade.

In 1994 - before Oasis broke - there wasn't a hell of a lot to get excited about. Suede were the NME's latest hope. Oasis "attitude" and great tunes were a breath of fresh air. I never claimed the attitude was an original tack -but it livened things up in 1994.

Being a bit disingenuous on the rip off bit, Lionel!

Didn't you mention you couldn't make the connection between the Roses and Oasis sonically at all. I merely pointed out, light heartedly, that Oasis had gone so far as to plagiarise a Roses song. I'd consider that quite a sonic connection.

**Lionel Ritchie** · 29/07/2008, 4:27 PM

Originally Posted by Wolfie

"No Stone Roses, No Oasis" - Noel Gallagher's words not mine. He's stated it repeatedly and with conviction.
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He might actually be right -though that's not the same as saying there is a major trail of influence to be found leading from a Stone Roses record to an Oasis one. (I stand over the assertion that soundwise Oasis have more in common with Status Quo). Back in the late 80's indie guitar roack was fairly maligned, peripheral and the door to the mainstream was tightly enough shut. It may be the case that the Roses and others picked the lock a bit before the Oasis' and Blurs kicked it open a few years later.

Originally Posted by Wolfie

Noel Gallagher is 5 years younger than Brown and Squire. Admittedly, not a massive gap but their achievements made up Gallaghers mind he could also make the grade.

Did not know that -wouldn't have thunk it.

Originally Posted by Wolfie

In 1994 - before Oasis broke - there wasn't a hell of a lot to get excited about. Suede were the NME's latest hope. Oasis "attitude" and great tunes were a breath of fresh air. I never claimed the attitude was an original tack -but it livened things up in 1994.

Hmmm ...Livened things up for the NME maybe. Y'see I'm just not sure I accept the scene you're setting (and NME do love their Scenes) that there wasn't much happening. It sounds a bit VH1 to be honest. ...I don't even have to go outside the artists this thread is dealing with to find an album, Vauxhall & I by Morrissey, released in 1994 and argueably the finest record he has ever made. I may be wrong but I'm fairly sure even the NME were raving about it. I'm sure there's many more but we'll see more of them in the iminent Best Album of 1994 thread.

Originally Posted by Wolfie

Being a bit disingenuous on the rip off bit, Lionel!

Didn't you mention you couldn't make the connection between the Roses and Oasis sonically at all. I merely pointed out, light heartedly, that Oasis had gone so far as to plagiarise a Roses song. I'd consider that quite a sonic connection.

Oasis sail close to the wind with several artists. Where's the news? Open a thread called something like 'Match the Oasis song to the song they lifted wholesale sections from for it' (we can work on a catchier title

) and I suspect it'll run longer than the Totty thread.

**Wolfie** · 30/07/2008, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie

Hmmm ...Livened things up for the NME maybe. Y'see I'm just not sure I accept the scene you're setting (and NME do love their Scenes) that there wasn't much happening. It sounds a bit VH1 to be honest. ...I don't even have to go outside the artists this thread is dealing with to find an album, Vauxhall & I by Morrissey, released in 1994 and argueably the finest record he has ever made. I may be wrong but I'm fairly sure even the NME were raving about it. I'm sure there's many more but we'll see more of them in the iminent Best Album of 1994 thread.

Oasis sail close to the wind with several artists. Where's the news? Open a thread called something like 'Match the Oasis song to the song they lifted wholesale sections from for it' (we can work on a catchier title

) and I suspect it'll run longer than the Totty thread.

I take the point the many "scenes" are press created and engineered for their own ends. The dreaded "Britpop" scene is a prime example.

That said, I think Oasis has more of an impact in 94 than just releasing a good record. They were household names for a couple of years albeit usually for reasons other than music. They were as much part of British (trash?) culture as the music scene. My point is that they had a massive impact - regardless as to whether it was aided by the press or not.

Absolutely no news whatsoever in stating that Oasis pilfered songs. Never claimed there was any revelation in stating it. The Beatles, Stevie Wonder, the Velvet Underground, the Who, David Bowie, Neil Young..........................

I suppose if your going to steal, its good to be a tasteful thief.

Do you also get the impression noone else is interested in this debate, Lionel?

**Lionel Ritchie** · 30/07/2008, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Wolfie

I take the point the many "scenes" are press created and engineered for their own ends. The dreaded "Britpop" scene is a prime example.

That said, I think Oasis has more of an impact in 94 than just releasing a good record. They were household names for a couple of years albeit usually for reasons other than music. They were as much part of British (trash?) culture as the music scene. My point is that they had a massive impact - regardless as to whether it was aided by the press or not.

Absolutely no news whatsoever in stating that Oasis pilfered songs. Never claimed there was any revelation in stating it. The Beatles, Stevie Wonder, the Velvet Underground, the Who, David Bowie, Neil Young..........................

I suppose if your going to steal, its good to be a tasteful thief.

Nothing to disagree with there.

Originally Posted by Wolfie

Do you also get the impression noone else is interested in this debate, Lionel?

Nor there.