AIPL plans revealed

[Macy]

I'm really not! Whats different between the criteria the FAI apply (applied) and those PO would?

No geographical aspect to FAI or IFA licencing. Licencing has critrea that if it's met means you go up if you're good enough on the pitch. Very different from the type of pick P1 propose to make.

[dublinred]

I'll go back to a point I made previously, it difficult to understand why anybody is taking this proposal seriously. It really is pie in the sky stuff that makes its promoters look as if they are not living in the real world.

A 10-team league with no PnR for 3 years. We'll all be q-ing up for that TV coverage!!! not

I agree it seems ridulous , but they have got a website www.aipl.ie check out all the positive media coverage clippings that must of cost them a fortune in lucnhs and jollies so they are spending money.

[GavinZac]

No geographical aspect to FAI or IFA licencing. Licencing has critrea that if it's met means you go up if you're good enough on the pitch. Very different from the type of pick P1 propose to make.

You think geography had nothing to do with Galway in the Premier and Dundalk in the First? It would have been dressed up as potential marketability or something along those lines.

[Mr A]

You think geography had nothing to do with Galway in the Premier and Dundalk in the First? It would have been dressed up as potential marketability or something along those lines.

The rules for the new FAI league were clearly set out and Dundalk hadn't a hope because they had racked up a series of mid table finishes in D1. It was a relatively clear and transparent process (although obviously it could have been done better) despite the controversy around it.

Platinum 1 have already picked their clubs without any sort of credible process.

[jebus]

You think geography had nothing to do with Galway in the Premier and Dundalk in the First? It would have been dressed up as potential marketability or something along those lines.

Big difference between making a choice on your initial set up like the FAI did, and reviewing it with each and every possible promotion as Platinum One have said they will do

[Macy]

You think geography had nothing to do with Galway in the Premier and Dundalk in the First? It would have been dressed up as potential marketability or something along those lines.

Dundalk didn't get the points to finish ahead of Galway. If they'd more points they would've got in. But as Jebus says, P1 want to assess this every time there's a potential promotion rather than having a set criteria that must be met.

[dublinred]

Big difference between making a choice on your initial set up like the FAI did, and reviewing it with each and every possible promotion as Platinum One have said they will do

Assume this goes ahead and Sligo Rovers are not allowed in and still exist after a few years in the wilderness and get new investors on board with a plan to get promoted and invest in good players on 2/3 year contracts with a view to planning ahead and reaping the greater financial rewards and the 150% increase in attendances in the top division and in the meantime win the lower divsion by 20 points , Linfield and Glentoran have bad season and finish bottom , what happens next?

[GavinZac]

Dundalk didn't get the points to finish ahead of Galway. If they'd more points they would've got in. But as Jebus says, P1 want to assess this every time there's a potential promotion rather than having a set criteria that must be met.

They have suggested that they might do that if they go with this particular plan.

As I said, its almost like democratic process. If enough fans and football people complain about it, I'm sure they'd listen; they are marketing a product after all. Personally I think we've passed that watershed in terms of picking and choosing teams in the league and we have done as long as i can remember anyway - teams were 'elected' to the league for decades.

Personally I would prefer a proper pyramidal system all the way down to county junior leagues like in England. Unfortunately football is so fractured on this island I have no idea if that'll ever happen. However, I see this as, for the most part, being an improvement for Irish football. We've been wishing and hoping for years that business people would take an interest, that TV would take an interest, that prize money could fund full time football, that we could finally see a professional league. Its not perfect, but here it is, and nows the time to get on board and start constructively criticising rather than moaning because you don't reckon your own club will ever reach the 'standard' of clubs which are their peers!

[jebus]

They have suggested that they might do that if they go with this particular plan.

They have said they are in this for the money (fair enough), let's say Cork finish bottom three seasons in a row and Cobh win the promotion playoff three seasons in a row, can you ever see a time that anyone would see Cobh as being more capable of making money than Cork, if not then why would Platinum One let them into their league at Cork's expense? All the internet petitions in the world wouldn't change a buisness man's mind in relation to this.

Furthermore I can't see why Platinum One would pump a shed load of money into bringing Limerick FC (nice that they got our name wrong in the proposal by the way)up to AIPL standards and then replace us with a club like Monaghan, where they would have to pump an equal or greater amount of money into the club to bring them up to speed.

This isn't some pie in the sky talk Gav, this is a serious criticism of the proposed system and one that needs to be addressed, until it is people will keep talking about it.

This has hopefully gone someway to answering londonred's question about what happens if Sligo win promotion and Linfield are relegated too

[Louth4sam]

The rules for the new FAI league were clearly set out and Dundalk hadn't a hope because they had racked up a series of mid table finishes in D1. It was a relatively clear and transparent process (although obviously it could have been done better) despite the controversy around it.

Platinum 1 have already picked their clubs without any sort of credible process.

Yeah we finished up near the top of the off the field stuff but got screwed by our league positions over the previous four years. Since this is a brand new league and as limerick are being chosen despite having a worse record over the last few years than Dundalk one could only imagine that Platinum 1 are choosing clubs due to geographical reasons.

[Dodge]

Dundalk didn't get the points to finish ahead of Galway. If they'd more points they would've got in. But as Jebus says, P1 want to assess this every time there's a potential promotion rather than having a set criteria that must be met.

I'm not sure this is true. I'm going through it page by page picking out some of the worst bits but they do say "Clubs would need to meet very strict Licensing criteria as set by UEFA through the Associations Club Licensing Departments, to qualify for the AIPL including meeting financial demands that would protect the league against unanticipated difficulties"

While this would seem to say they'll use the sme licensing rules as currently, the last line should scare clubs that if this thign doesn't work, they're paying for it.

When I'm done I'll post all my nitpicking here

[SMorgan]

The rules for the new FAI league were clearly set out and Dundalk hadn't a hope because they had racked up a series of mid table finishes in D1. It was a relatively clear and transparent process (although obviously it could have been done better) despite the controversy around it.

Platinum 1 have already picked their clubs without any sort of credible process.

What was also very transparent was the presentation, by an Eircom league club, of facilities and sturctures of a junior club as their own. But we digress.

[dublinred]

Because the people who stand to make most out of it want to make their bucks? Another couple of clubs in trouble due to overspending makes it a prime time to come in as the white knights....

Eircom gone as well now , beginning to take shape.

[GavinZac]

Eircom gone as well now , beginning to take shape.

http://breakingnews.ie/sport/mhqlausngbmh/

Grow up.

[dublinred]

http://breakingnews.ie/sport/mhqlausngbmh/

Grow up.

It was news at the time , given that the Aussies who own Eircom are in trouble at the moment wouldn't be too surprised as they reviewing their irish operations. Heard some news on the AIPL this morning and it looks like a done deal , note that not one of the irish journalists has questioned the proposals also expect a few press releases in the next couple of days whilst the agm is going on.

[deecay]

It was news at the time , given that the Aussies who own Eircom are in trouble at the moment wouldn't be too surprised as they reviewing their irish operations. Heard some news on the AIPL this morning and it looks like a done deal , note that not one of the irish journalists has questioned the proposals also expect a few press releases in the next couple of days whilst the agm is going on.

In what way does what you heard affect Rovers?

[Rovers Maniac]

In what way does what you heard affect Rovers?

I heard that Sligo Rovers were first Reserve for the new league of Ireland. Depends if limerick can get their ground up to standard in time. Looks like a 2010 kick off.

[Steve Bruce]

The fact that Platinum One will be assessing if clubs are meeting their standards means that the likes of Linfield will never get relegated, even if that means they keep a suitably good team from getting promoted.

[jebus]

I heard that Sligo Rovers were first Reserve for the new league of Ireland. Depends if limerick can get their ground up to standard in time. Looks like a 2010 kick off.

Source?

[Dodge]

Drugs and booze I reckon