AIPL plans revealed

**Rocky77** · 20/07/2008, 5:11 PM

Originally Posted by alansmithccfc

Funny to see the people criticising it are not involved in the plans for it

What do you expect?

"Yeah, I'm delighted that my club will suffer enormously once Cork City become stronger. Small price to pay really."

**oriel** · 20/07/2008, 5:13 PM

Galway, Limerick and Drogs ????????

With a grand total of 3 lge titles between them, one in 1930, one in 1950 and the other one a once in a lifetime achievement last season.

More chance of rovers moving back to milltown than this taking off

**EalingGreen** · 20/07/2008, 5:15 PM

Originally Posted by Louth4sam

The loi is a lot stronger than the irish league so all the teams in the loi will be battling for 1 spot in the playoff vs the winner of the irish league. Hardly fair

Obviously the LOI is stronger than the IL, but once you've excuded the 10 AIL clubs, the Promotion Play-Off will (theoretically) be between the 9th Best LOI club and the 3rd best IL club.
I'm not sure the difference would be that great. Besides, how else would you do it?
Anyhow, that particular aspect is only one of a number of flaws in this whole misconceived idea.

**EalingGreen** · 20/07/2008, 5:18 PM

Originally Posted by alansmithccfc

Funny to see the people criticising it are not involved in the plans for it

This Glens fan, who is not opposed in principle to an AIL, wants nothing to do with it.

**holidaysong** · 20/07/2008, 5:49 PM

Obviously as a Dundalk fan, I'm completely against the 'invitational' aspect of this proposed league (snazzy DVDs, Maxi, etc...). The only way I want to see this happen is if it is non-invitational and run in conjunction with the IFA and FAI. Clubs should have to play their way into it (by finishing in the top 4,5,6 or whatever in their respective leagues). Also, I'm totally against any attempt to have an 'elite' league that tries to exclude other clubs. There should be promotion and relegation from the start and not a token promotion spot but a system that gives clubs a realistic chance of getting into the AIL. Prize money should filter down to the LOI and the IL accordingly. The remaining clubs in the LOI and the IL will be hit hard by decreased attendances and should be compensated by increased prize money.

**Sheridan** · 20/07/2008, 5:52 PM

I wouldn't worry about it, holidaysong, it's absolute fantasy. Not even the FAI would sanction the proposed promotion/relegation structure, and the clubs have nothing to bargain with.

**SMorgan** · 20/07/2008, 6:28 PM

Originally Posted by alansmithccfc

Funny to see the people criticising it are not involved in the plans for it

I can't even understand why supporters of the clubs that Mr Roddy and Mr Drury hand-picked would think this is a good idea.

These guys arses are completely out the window on this one.

Sit down and think about it. A 10-team league with no promotion/relegation.

But then again, you could have more games like the Drogheda v Cork City match today!! nuff said.

**Dodge** · 20/07/2008, 7:12 PM

http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/irishdoc.pdf

Proposal document above.

Far too many assumptions being made. doesn't look like they've researched anything at all IMO.

I'd love an AIL but this seems stoopid

**Flexy** · 20/07/2008, 8:34 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/irishdoc.pdf

Proposal document above.

Far too many assumptions being made. doesn't look like they've researched anything at all IMO.

I'd love an AIL but this seems stoopid

guys it may have been asked before who would your ten teams be. Mine would be
Linfield, Glentoran, Derry, Cork, Pats, Shamrock rovers, Dundalk, Bohs, Drogs/sligo or Galway, Ballymena or Coleraine

**niallsparky** · 20/07/2008, 8:52 PM

I'm very in favour of an AIL but not this proposal.

**holidaysong** · 20/07/2008, 8:58 PM

Originally Posted by Flexy

guys it may have been asked before who would your ten teams be. Mine would be
Linfield, Glentoran, Derry, Cork, Pats, Shamrock rovers, Dundalk, Bohs, Drogs/sligo or Galway, Ballymena or Coleraine

I'd pick the teams that finish in the top 3 from the IL and the top 7 from the LOI. I feel the 3:7 ratio would be justified given the population ratio of 1.7m:4.3m, which are the respective populations on Wikipedia.

You could have an interim season with all 22 league clubs so they all have an equal chance of finishing in the top 7 and you don't have a meaningless first division season that year. Something similar could be done in the IL.

**SMorgan** · 20/07/2008, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by EalingGreen

This Glens fan, who is not opposed in principle to an AIL, wants nothing to do with it.

All Ireland League tomorrow a single Ireland international team the day after. The proud supporters of Northern Ireland should be concerned.

**micls** · 20/07/2008, 10:12 PM

While Im in favour of an AIL in general that just sounds ridiculous

**Candystripe** · 20/07/2008, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by SMorgan

All Ireland League tomorrow a single Ireland international team the day after. The proud supporters of Northern Ireland should be concerned.

But there would still be an IFA league.........actually about 500 leagues affiliated to the IFA........from kids up to to premier league.

It does seem to have many flaws in it.

My ten would be.......... Derry, Cork, Dundalk, Bohs, Pats, Shams,Linfield, Glens,Cliftonville and Ballymena.

It would need a top 4 from each league playing off in a play-off in the 1st year, with 2 from the FAI and 2 from the IFA gaining promotion and for it to be a 14 team league for 3 yrs with it reducing to a 12 team league then. It would make it fairer for all clubs to at least get a chance of making it.

**dcfcsteve** · 20/07/2008, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by don ramo

so you can just take european places from the 2 leagues

im 100% certain this hasnt been passed by EUFA, you cant just switch when you like

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You can actually. It's up to each individual association to nominate its reps for European competition, and set the perameters for that qualification. So the AIPL proposal wouldn't need any input from UEFA to have Euro places nominated via the IFA/FAI

Originally Posted by don ramo

the league is a whole new league, it will have to work its way up the coeffients, so while they play by themselfs fo 3 years in the EUFA cup (only, no Champions League as your only a new league)

Interesting question. I assume the co-efficients things wasn't around when the likes of Yugoslavia split into the separate leagues. What happened in the international rankings when Germany unified ? I suspect the united Germany just took the ranking of the highest placed of the two constituent parts (i.e. West Germany). It would therefore appear to make sense to just keep the LOI's ranking and points for the new combined league. The only problem would be that the LOI and IL would still exist and still be putting teams into Europe (UEFA Cup) alongside themselves.

I wonder have they spoken to anyone in Europe about that aspect ? I would hope they have for the credibility of their plan.

**GavinZac** · 20/07/2008, 11:11 PM

In the event of a merger what would happen is that the co-efficient points for the last 5 years would be recalculated. Each year the number of points for each nation is totaled and divided by the total of clubs that participated from that nation, the result being the year's co-ef result for the nation. In the event of a merger then, for example, in any of those years we might have maybe 2 wins, 4 draws and 2 losses in total, making 10 points, but divided by the 6 clubs from both sides of the border involved - thus putting the new league somewhere between the eLoI in 32nd place and the IL somewhere below it.

**gufcfan** · 20/07/2008, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by micls

While Im in favour of an AIL in general that just sounds ridiculous

I'm about halfway through looking at the proposal in detail.

There are many good ideas contained within it but they are over emphasised and the proposal doesn't deal with a lot of potential problems.

Major research, consultation and open, transparent debate needs to occur before it is taken seriously.

Also, they should shy away a bit more from using the word "franchise" if they ever want people to take it seriously...

**Dodge** · 21/07/2008, 2:08 AM

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

You can actually. It's up to each individual association to nominate its reps for European competition, and set the perameters for that qualification. So the AIPL proposal wouldn't need any input from UEFA to have Euro places nominated via the IFA/FAI

Thats not strictly true as the Champions League places must be based on league positions. As this is a new league, it absolutely would need UEFA co-operation

**shed-ender** · 21/07/2008, 3:21 AM

so with this proposal, Derry would play in the IFA Cup not the FAI Cup and if they were relegated, it would be to the Irish League not the LOI
Also playing the sane teams overe and over again is a non starter and moving back to winter football, no need to worry about Euro places, it would all be over in July!!

**Magicme** · 21/07/2008, 3:44 AM

Originally Posted by holidaysong

I'm totally against any attempt to have an 'elite' league that tries to exclude other clubs. There should be promotion and relegation from the start and not a token promotion spot but a system that gives clubs a realistic chance of getting into the AIL. Prize money should filter down to the LOI and the IL accordingly. The remaining clubs in the LOI and the IL will be hit hard by decreased attendances and should be compensated by increased prize money.

Oh god I cant believe this is happening buy I agree with a dundalk fan. Tis luda..eh...ludic....madness I tell ya.