And Galway? Limerick may be ok but would be looking at increasing their turnover by a factor of 5 or 6 to compete in this.Originally Posted by GavinZac
You mean sligo? and waterford? and harps? i don't think they're involved.
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Gavin
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"Ex Bardus , Vicis"
And Galway? Limerick may be ok but would be looking at increasing their turnover by a factor of 5 or 6 to compete in this.
#NeverStopNotGivingUp
Or Galway. A PR man would know the time to do a relaunch of a scheme that makes outlandish claims of how much money is going to be made is when clubs are in the news for financial difficulties.
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
Not sure Glentoran are in great shape either, and that's before you even go into whether what most of the top EL clubs are doing is in any way sustainable.
#NeverStopNotGivingUp
of course. strike while the iron is hot, as you will. Expect some more details on their plans for European places when the last club is out of UEFA competition.
Your Chairperson,
Gavin
Membership Advisory Board
"Ex Bardus , Vicis"
Who said they dont know what form it would take to support it?
There are a few things I disagree with with the current proposals(leaving out that I think their targets are a bit high)
1) Clubs should be there on footballing merit. If its going to be 10 clubs, then have the top 2/3 from the IL and the top 7/8 from the EL.
If they said they had invited, Linfield, Glentoran,Cliftonville, Derry,Bohs, Pats, Cork City, Drogs, Sligo, then you wouldnt have half the disagreement.
2) Winter football- No thanks
3) P& R- not a fan of no promotion/relegation.
4) Starting next August- very skeptical.
Those would be my main issues, also there needs to be more solid info about how clubs are going to increase attendances by 150%, what marketing will be used etc etc.
1. Is it now not a already year late?
2. Have they? You mean they have expressed an interest in being kept informed of developments?
3. Money?
4. I can't remember the IFA stating the flat "no" since it was first muted? Indeed I would be surprised if it has even appeared on the IFA's agenda.
gavin answer me please if the IFA has said no and delaney will not even meet with platium one how is this ever going to happen ...geniune question
I wish i did not know then what I dont know now
how did the Eircom League happen?
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Gavin
Membership Advisory Board
"Ex Bardus , Vicis"
i assume it was like minded people agreeing the best way forward for the league. dont think thats the case this time to much opposition from to many quarters
I wish i did not know then what I dont know now
One assertion which struck me as curious is the following:
"Discussions will continue with the Referees in order to create a panel of full time referees as soon as is practicably possible"
How much will this cost?
I assume the average referee is currently in his 30's-40's. Most will have a reasonable job, with many having a wife and family. Therefore, to induce them to make a career switch for no more than a few years, with possible difficulty in resuming that career when the refereeing ends, will mean they will demand a reasonable salary (up to €40k p.a.?), with the security of a reasonably long contract, since they will likely have to retire from the game before they're 50.
And with 12 teams/6 matches per weekend, the Panel will need as many as 10 f-t Refs. There will also be ancilliary costs of Referees Training, plus Linsesmen and Assessors. Add to this the cost of administration and employing people generally (tax, Nat. Insurance, benefits, Pension etc). Oh, and they will each require a Company Car, plus petrol allowance, since we can't have them queuing up at the Bus Stop outside the ground after a game, where any fan who was less than happy with their performance might spot them!
Therefore, I can't see this particular idea giving much change out of €500,000 per annum.
Where is that going to come from? Unless, of course, those clever chaps at Platinum haven't thought to cost it. Or they have, but are just making impressive-sounding promises in order to show people how "professional" they are, which they can later go back on?
Good God I actually just read the proposal from front to back,it's like it was written by a 16 year old, obsessive Football Manager fan who thinks he knows whats best for the game judging by his trophy haul during his ten year tenure as Man Utd manager
Seriously there is little indication to where their facts come from, they contradict themselves in some places (we want nothing to do with the two leagues below the AIPL, we will give payments to relegated clubs to the two leagues), there is no concrete plans as to how they will better the league in terms of marketability, they insult the IFA and the FAI at every corner (presumably they hoped we would all run at both headquarters with pitchforks raised after reading their mission statement), and they give no indication as to how they will persuade Uefa to bypass the fact that a ten team Irish league doesn't deserve 2 European Cup places, and won't be answerably to Uefa's Golden Rule of being run by the Assosications of our countries.
One of the more idiotic proposals I've read regarding this league, and well, I've read an awful lot of rubbish regarding this league on this website. On a last point (I was going to take down things I wanted to bring up, but there was 2-3 items a page up to the point they started repeating themselves) does anyone else feel uncomfortable with Platinum One deciding whether a football team is suitable enough for promotion when they bring relegation/promotion into the equation? They say that they will have a playoff between the LoI and IL winners and decide if they meet the criteria for promotion. Now I have no issue with an AIPL following Uefa guidelines, but considering that they base this league on marketability I wonder if, say, Monaghan went on a Cobh 2007 style run, won the LoI, won the playoff and met the Uefa guidelines, would Platinum One turn them away for not being as marketable as, say, Limerick or Galway (if we finished bottom of the AIPL that season)?
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What, you mean Platinum One will be issuing things like "premier licenses"? That'd never happen!
Your Chairperson,
Gavin
Membership Advisory Board
"Ex Bardus , Vicis"
I respect anybodys right to further improve the lot of the club/team in whatever way they see fit but they to must show the same to those of us who see this a detrimental to there clubs, I thinkwe are all in a leaking boat not a sinking but leaking boat and some are being asked to jump overboard so that others may stay afloat.
ironically those wishing to stay on board are the heaviest.
I wish i did not know then what I dont know now
Completely different thing from the FAI issuing licenses and Platinum One deciding who they like better between clubs, you know this though and are just being your usual disagreeable self, but sure what else is new
I'm really not! Whats different between the criteria the FAI apply (applied) and those PO would?
Your Chairperson,
Gavin
Membership Advisory Board
"Ex Bardus , Vicis"
Im all off it
If the club's not marketable they can refuse them entry. Even the FAI aren't that bad.
Oh wait....
Platinum One will (rightly) look at this from a profit margin viewpoint if they take this on, hence clubs from towns (Monaghan, Cobh etc.) will never be as marketable as clubs like Limerick and Galway (barring some population boom), and so I can't foresee a time when Platinum One would ever allow a club like that to take the place of any of the proposed AIPL clubs.
The FAI wouldn't do that as they are required to look at this from a sporting viewpoint (albeit a money driven one), but Cobh being allowed into the Premier after a fantastic run like last year's simply wouldn't happen under Platinum One I feel
As pointed out Linfield have not signed up. But not only have they not signed up to it, they have expressed opposition to it. Also Galway asked not to be involved. Why have they.
Would you mind telling me what Fintan Drury's track record in relation to domestic soccer, because I'll be damned if I bloody know. I know Jim Roddy's - a couple of years ago he wanted a 10 team Premier league with no PnR for 3 years. Sound familiar!!
The current situation is that both association have distances its self from the proposal and there has been no softening of that position. Can you give me a single qoute from either assocication, but especially the IFA, to back-up your claim that they are lighting their approach to P1. The current situation is that both association want nothing to do with the P1 proposal.
I'll go back to a point I made previously, it difficult to understand why anybody is taking this proposal seriously. It really is pie in the sky stuff that makes its promoters look as if they are not living in the real world.
A 10-team league with no PnR for 3 years. We'll all be q-ing up for that TV coverage!!! not
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