QuoteFair point.
I don't see why the NRA are objecting to this. You'd imagine there'd be little enough traffic coming to the stadium from the M1 as people driving from Drogheda wouldn't go that way. AFAIK, the NRA only has a remit for national roads so what would go on on the smaller roads to the stadium from Drogheda doesn't concern them.
That's not really relevant. If you're building a 10,000 seater stadium, you have to be able to deal 10,000 people going to it. Otherwise, why would you build it that size?Originally Posted by pineapple stu
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Fair point.
Do any of the Drogs fans know where the project is with funding?
The back of housing estates, where most grounds are located.If we do not build facilities next to motorways where do we put them? On rural back roads?
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Hypocrisy by the NRA. They are happy for their FF chums to build Hotels, Retail Parks and whatever else you are having beside motorways and by-passes, directly in contradiction with proper planning. Indeed the NRA facilitate it with Dempsey appointing his cousin, Navan estate agent Raymond Potterton to the board of the NRA whilst FF supporters were building up land-banks along the route of the N3 (that's the real reason they wouldn't re-route it, imo).
The NRA are clearly following the guidelines as set out in the Meath County Development Plan. If its anyone fault its the architect/ designer, from experience parking is a major issue due to the area it takes up on a development.
If the architect cannot accomplish the required no. of spaces, an alternative is usually found at the start of a project, for eg. a payment per parking space for the shortfall required as per the development plan.
'if you build it they will come' - put ye hav to giv em somewhere to park!
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It's a football stadium ffs, a sizeable portion will be coming by bus.
What about concerts?
At a rate of one space for three seats, then how did Croke Park or Lansdowne Road get planning permission???
What Drogheda are proposing in terms of parking is unbelievable. They are proposing 300 spaces for a stadium for over 10,000. They are saying that fans will use public transport!!
They have left themselves wide open to objection and I am fairly sure that permission will be refused on appeal. The ground is out of town and beside a motorway for goodness sake!!
And Croke Park has NO parking, but then it only holds 82,000+ people, why would it have parking,
Lansdowne Road got planning with no parking, it's only an after tought that they are putting in an underground car park.
Pure hypocrosy from the NRA IMO.
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Croker is a 10 minute walk from the the greatest concentration of public transport in the country - Dublin city centre.At a rate of one space for three seats, then how did Croke Park or Lansdowne Road get planning permission???
Likewise, if I want to get to Lansdowne, I can get any of a dozen buses, a Luas route, a DART route, I can cycle, I can get a taxi, I can even bloody well walk. Granted, note everyone lives in my house, but you get the idea. It has good transport links from throughout Dublin, which can certainly take any amount of parking (and generally does).
These are historic stadia, built before good planning was aspired to. Exceptions get made.
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While it seems low it is possibly more than any other stadium in the country.
Why are the NRA objecting based on parking? Should that not be the remit of the local authority? The stadium looks far enough away from the M1 that there would not be significant backup on the off ramp.
If Bertie Bowl was built would it have required 20,000 parking spaces?
Whats the situation with this now? What options do the club have?
The SFAI are the governing body for grassroots football in Ireland, not the FAI. Its success or the lack of is all down to them.
I wouldn't think so, and a sizeable portion will probably come on their own in a car.
As others have said, it's a pity the NRA weren't more consistent when it comes to their FF buddies, but hard to argue when 300 spaces for 10,000 capacity.
Lansdowne has good transport links, and a history of people using them. Parking has always been an issue around Croke Park, but again, nobody will dare take on the politicians on that one. However, would either of them be directly effecting NRA controlled routes?
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a couple of points/queries on this:
what is the developers stance on this whole thing? i seem to remember he was going to build something like 5,000 houses and a town centre type retail park along with the stadium. He was only really building the stadium to let him do the other stuff which is hardly worthwhile to him in the current environment.
generally if a stadium is being re-vamped they will pay a contribution toward parking as it is unfeasible to expect them to acquire extra land for parking on a developed site. however, on new developments it is essential to meet all parking criteria and foolish not to look at it as most developments nowadays are refused on parking (or lack thereof). Who submitted the planning application Drogs or the developer???
Galwegians RFC were recently granted planning for a new greenfield development around bushy park. The NRA objected with concerns about traffic coming to and leaving the facility (not matchday traffic apparently but young lads getting dropped up to and collected from training). Most (if not all) of the traffic would be outside rush hour or indeed outside weekday (daytime). The facility is located adjacent to a national route which has been developed by the NRA and Galway City Council over recent years. The decision has no been reversed and the project is on hold. I mean if the NRA/Galway City Council build roads to cater with busy traffic all week surely a few young lads getting dropped to training shouldn't massively affect traffic movement but obviously it does in their eyes. They are hands down THE most dangerous objector to any development, ever worse than the tree huggers!!
I fear the Drog stadium saga is only starting.
There is absolutely no hypocrisy, whatsoever. The Planning process always uses the status-quo as the baseline. If you are replacing a stadium then the planning process demands (and can only demand) that you don't make a situation any worse that it already was/is before the developement or redevelopement. There is no requirement to provide a planning gain, and you can't trade off car aprking against a new road.
However, the exact same thing applies when you are building a new stadium. The situation should be no worse than it was before the development took place in relation to ALL aspects of the development.
We've had all this arguement about Croke Park at the time that Rovers were asked to provide a large number of car parking spaces at their new ground.
Oh, I fear the Drogheda project is a deadman walking. I don't believe it will happen.
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Rovers were required to have huge amount of parking despite having access to public transport.
Were the IRFU required to increase car parking spaces when they almost doubled the capacity of Thomond Park? I suspect they were not because the NRA had no stake in that.
As stated above I believe the NRA make up policy as they go along & can change that on whim of public or political pressure. Drogs should nag local politicians if they want to change.
Hang on didn't Athlone build a 2,000 seat, 6,000 capacity ground right beside the N6 in Athlone? so that would be what? almost 700 spaces as per the one car space per seat rule..... oh sorry that's right... they don't give sh1t about any infrastructure west of Athlone....
Oh the flip side we at Galway United are so keen to comply with the regulations our fans are staying away because of our 120 space car park
as per the one car space per 3 seat ruleHang on didn't Athlone build a 2,000 seat, 6,000 capacity ground right beside the N6 in Athlone? so that would be what? almost 700 spaces as per the one car space per seat rule..... oh sorry that's right... they don't give sh1t about any infrastructure west of Athlone....
Oh the flip side we at Galway United are so keen to comply with the regulations our fans are staying away because of our 120 space car park
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