QuoteI lurk around Current Affairs sometimes...Originally Posted by GavinZac
I still stand by my first point though.
You've obviously never tried out Current Affairs!
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I still stand by my first point though.
To follow on from the Coefficient thread. My understanding of it (and I'm open to correction) is that each club is assigned a ranking value based on a combination of their own results and the results of their league in general.
As per the country ranking this goes on a 5 year rolling basis. For individual team coefficients, qualifying rounds don't count - only the first round proper - I don't know how or if this will change when the new format UEFA cup comes into play next year.
The country's coefficient is effectively shared out equally amongst teams - therefore a team entering a European competition this year that did not have any previous experience would be allocated a coefficient ranking of one third of the country's ranking
(this may also change next year when we have 4 teams in the UC, but other countries will also change accordingly.) We can use Derry as an example of a team that has its own coefficient as well:
- 7.332 / 3 = 2.42
- In 06/07 Derry won 3 games and drew one in the first 2 qualifying rounds - they also drew one game in the first round proper.
- Each qualifying win is worth a point, each Q draw .5 of a point
- In the actual rounds, a win is worth 2 points and a draw 1 point
- Derry therefore contributed 4.5 points to the coefficient, (or 1.5 in real terms)
- Of the 4.5 points earned, the 1 point from the 1st round proper is also added to Derry's individual coefficient.
Each team's coefficient is equal to 1/3rd (because we have 3 qualifying teams) of the country's coefficient plus any individual coefficient. In Derry's case this means that while the 06/07 season is still counting towards the ranking, should Derry qualify for Europe, their coefficient will be 1pt larger than the other LOI teams. Had Derry been in Europe this year, they would have been allocated a coefficient of 3.42 and would, as Harpo says, have been seeded in the UC.
Last edited by bigmac; 18/07/2008 at 4:20 PM.
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Then I had it wrong, I taught it was all matches a club played and not just the bump of the first round proper points.
So bigmac, One Red Army, higgins and pineapple stu had the correct information before me. Sorry for confusing matters.
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Fair play to Pat's and Drogs. Pat's, I feel have a foot (and an arm) in the door already, while Drogs have a bit more to do, but if any team can force a 0-0 away from home.......
On us last night, we played the wrong tactics for the first hour. Tried to play 'Total Football', but nothing came off and we were punished. When we went at them though, they didn't seem to know how to handle it. If we start over there with the same attitude as we finished the last game with, I have no doubt that we'll go through.
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Was at the Cork game and one thing that struck me was the way that Haka played the referee. Every time they were touched they fell to the ground and got their free kick and took the pressure off themselves. With Corks experience I thought they would be well able for this sort of play but the players spent most of the time arguing with the ref. At least Mooney had the intelligence to 'win' us the free kick that lead to our 2nd goal. Will Irish teams ever learn to play this way.
To be perfectly honest I hope not. Its bad enough watching it for the couple of Euro games a year, I'd hate to watch it every week
YOU POSTED: What the likes of Mark12345 fails miserably to see is the total euphoria of seeing your hometown team win a champions leauge game .Heraing that music as the players came out onto the pitch was amazing for me and my fellow " supporters " .Lookin around and seeing family members and friends everywere in the stands is something these clueless people will never understand .Its called pride in were your from and who you are .Now run along the english want your money you foolish boy .
......What, you think you're the only one who has ever had those feelings? I know I have felt pride in the teams I've supported, just like most on this board I would suggest, (and pride for LOI teams but a long time ago I must say).
And, just so as you know - the last time this 'foolish boy' gave the English me money was over 20 years ago - I don't go over, full stop. I've lived abroad for two decades and seen football take off in places where it had no tradition, and it has outstripped the LOI in its standards. How can others do it in such a short space of time while we, who have almost a century of tradition behind us, are still languishing in the doldrums. Could it be that the Irish club owners are so entrenched in their ways that they frighten any rich Irishman (and there are plenty of them willing to invest in English clubs) who wants to invest in them?
But the thing that really gets me is that any time you make an obvious statement about the LOI teams you are all of a sudden attacked by a small group who claim you don't know nothin.' Well, what I do know is that the record so far of the Irish teams in Europe has been nothing to write home about, much like previous seasons. And the way it's goin we'll be singing this song in fifty years time unless drastic change occurrs.
How do the attitudes of the present club owners stop somebody from buying a club?
Which statement? The one about a "miserable" year for Irish clubs is the one I'm disputing - I don't think 2 wins and a draw from our first three games that matter is miserable at all.
If you were one of the, admittedly few, regular constructive posters you'd see that nobody is here saying that the EL is the best league in Europe or is fantastically run. We don't have our heads in the sand over the many problems that exist, but neither do we feel the need to celebrate, gloat or exhibit such schadenfreude when a team is knocked out of the InterToto cup on away goals. Are you on the Scottish forums laughing at their league because Hibs got spanked in their tie?
BTW, you didn't just ask a question about EL teams getting to group stages of the CL you said
thus dismissing pretty much any country not ranked in the top 15 or so in Europe - should these leagues not be taken seriously either?
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you mean to cheat?
The rest of Europe call it winning a free kick. Honestly why should we play fair when nobody else does it and then we leave the game giving out that the ref was a disgrace. In the 2nd half last Thursday Behan was fouled and all the dope had to do was fall to the ground and Cork would have got a free kick but he kept going and we lost possession. Every one of the Haka players would have fallen there and got their free. Football is a professional sport where winner takes all and you need to do whatever it takes to get the victory.
I'd prefer the honest approach, as I'm sure most others on here would.
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YOU POSTED: What utter, utter garbage. Possibly the most idiotic argument I've ever heard on this forum.
Stick around a little while longer - I'm sure it'll get better.
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[QUOTE=bigmac;984422]How do the attitudes of the present club owners stop somebody from buying a club?
If the club owners aren't standing in the way then who is? Did not JP McManus want to invest in Irish football, and Magnier also, and God knows I'm sure there quite a few other money men. The way I understand it there are one too many club boards and owners unwilling to stand aside and let in the big money.
That's what I hear and it could be a load of bullocks, but on the evidence of the lack of progress with EL clubs (take Shelbourne and Dublin City for example a few years back - if two very upwardly mobile clubs can just fold like that, ok Shels are still goin', then how strong is the league?) then I don't believe its too far off the mark.
Another disappointment for me is the cooling off of the talk about the proposed All-Ireland League. It was all the rage a couple of months ago, but now there isn't much talk about it. That would be a huge step forward IMO and would open the door to a million possibilites (if only everyone got behind it in the South instead of seeing the cup half empty).
I'm all for the betterment of the EL, and maybe I come across in a negative way, but just seeing failure after failure every year (and only holding the upper hand in one tie against Latvian/Estonian opposition is not progress) is very hard to take. There has to be a genuine target for Irish clubs in Europe, or the formation of an All-Ireland League - that would be real progress IMHO.
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You couldn't be further from the truth. Every single club would accept large investment, if it was for the good of the club. All of them, even the member run clubs
How are the two related? You picked two clubs that were most open to investment and showed how it doesn't work. Every club had the same ambitions as Shels and Dublin City. Every single club wants to be full time and competing for leagues and playing in europe every year. Just because thye overspent the most doesn't mean that they were most ambitious.That's what I hear and it could be a load of bullocks, but on the evidence of the lack of progress with EL clubs (take Shelbourne and Dublin City for example a few years back - if two very upwardly mobile clubs can just fold like that, ok Shels are still goin', then how strong is the league?) then I don't believe its too far off the mark.
Maybe you should going to the games so. If you don't, you can't comment on anything about the league. Enjoy watching the telly...I'm all for the betterment of the EL
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