QuoteThats why most of us who would be in favour of it (in certain cases) have said it probably couldn't be reintroduced.Originally Posted by Macy
That would be my opinion on it. I don't have a moral problem with killing a rapist or a murderer or a paedophile, but I do have a moral problem with the possibility that it'd be an innocent person on the receiving end.
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
Thats why most of us who would be in favour of it (in certain cases) have said it probably couldn't be reintroduced.
Well, there are only so many years, someone can receive for any crime. 13 years is a severe punishment for the offences committed, and he has been brought to justice. Unlike other criminals that get little, if any punishment.
Life with little or basic human rights is, life in solitary confinement is, life with 23 hours a day incarceration is, life itself is not.
There are plenty of not-even-remotely innocent people who it should be used on as well those who it's best not and we all know it. Is the mother of the three year old or seven year old remotely innocent? The sadist with a 19 hour rape? They wouldn't know how to be innocent if they were punched in the head by it.
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There would have been quite a few dead innocent irish people in britain in the 70s/80s if they had the death penalty at that time
It's not a fact, it's just your opinion. We don't 'all know it'.
Some people have no moral problem with executing a person who has committed a heinous crime. I do have a moral problem with it.
What about now? Though, common sense would have to be used, so I can see where the difficulties lie that it will never be used.
Osarusan, could you honestly say that there is nobody in prisons that is undeniably guilty of heinous crimes? He had 71 previous counts in the last link...is prison is really going to bother him? Did the mother not know about her starving child in her pub?
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I'm not against the death penalty because I'm not convinced of the guilt of a defendant, or because I'm not convinced the crime is serious enough.
I'm against it because I don't think anybody should have the right to take the life of another, and I don't think any government should be exempt from that. I also don't think that by taking a life (or committing a different but terrible crime) a person forfeits their right to life.
From discussing this issue with various people, and from looking at this thread, it seems that there are a few reasons for supporting the death penalty.
A desire to make the criminal suffer (like the victim suffered)
The belief that a criminal has forfeited the right to life, and no longer deserves to live.
The belief that it is the only way to prevent a criminal (who cannot be rehabilitated) from re-offending.
The belief that it acts as a deterrent to other criminals.
The desire to save money used to house criminals until death.
Have I left any reasons out?
Yes, that would be my reasoning.
However, I'd say prison would make a criminal suffer more than death.
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Really? I'd quite like to be fed every day, rent free and with plenty of time to relax with a good book. You'd always be able to keep in contact, send people picture messages of your budgie and stuff like that.
Now death, there's something which can involve real suffering.
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This is probably for a different topic, but I don't think 13 years is anyway near severe for a man who raped and abused 3 children over years leading to chlamydia for 2 of them which led to the ulcers on the womb for one and she is now infertile as a result. It led to suicide attempts by 2 of them and a life sentence for all three.
So no I dont think 13 years is severe punishment for the offences. Maybe my problem with the justice system is that other people do.
A desire to make the criminal suffer (like the victim suffered). In relation to a crime so serious that it requires the death penalty? No, that would be sadistic
The belief that a criminal has forfeited the right to life, and no longer deserves to live. Yes I would go along with that in severe cases
The belief that it is the only way to prevent a criminal (who cannot be rehabilitated) from re-offending. Yep that would also be my reasoning
The belief that it acts as a deterrent to other criminals. Not really. I think people who commit crimes as horrific as I imagine they would have to be for me to support this have totally lost a grip on our kind of reality and can't be deterred from murder, mutilation, child rape, what have you. I mean can any of us claim to actually know how you would even go about trying to deter someone who (say)likes to rape babies? Where do you even begin with someone like that?
The desire to save money used to house criminals until death. Yep, I don't see much point in spending so much money on people who are sub-human
The death penalty is a bit of a cop out and in the long term does absolutely nothing to address the problems in society, its so reactionary too...am completely against it also not so sure about giving our judges the god like power of deciding whether someone lives or dies given they're not really making such a a good job of deciding whether someone goes free or rots in jail so I do think we need to reform our judicial system and sentences have to start reflecting the crime...but in no way should we be considering the death sentence, we're better than that
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This is the same race that have introduced concentration camps, created a device like the nuclear bomb, and continue to allow Kelly Osbourne to be a functioning part of society that you're on about right?
It does. More specifically, it kills them.
She has a function?
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She's a figure of hate, it's function enough
So if we execute one rapist there's never gonna be another rape ever again?
We've done some good stuff too
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Is there anything you can do to make this happen?
In my opinion no, but at the same time I don't think killing people is the right way to go about addressing the issue
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