Limerick Division 1A 2008/09

**abbeyvale** · 28/10/2008, 8:25 AM

Originally Posted by dines08

i wouldn't agree that a constructed team of 1a players would win the premier within two years...but wat i do think is there are premier quality players in this league, not many, possibly only 10 or so and a few debatable...for us i think christy o neill, liam lenihan, ian dore...mungret have aled harkin ian dunworth, ger bourke, gary long, keith mac nichlas. Star have a few experienced older heads who are...don't know many others by name but most teams in this division have a stand out player in their team. A lot are debatable, a matter of opinion but thats wat this is all about...any one else got any players they think could step up?

Shane Walters, Len O'Grady, Derek Hannon, Richie Flynn, Ger Collopy, Brian Doherty, to name a few from Star.

I agree that it all comes down to dedictaion and fitness.

There are at least 15-20 players playing in Div 1A, that would get their game with most Prem sides if they were dedictaed and had the interest to play Prem, but most of them either stay loyal to the club their with , or just couldnt be bothered getting fit.

There are 2 lists of players.
1) Players that dont want to leave their own club and would rather fight to win promotion with their own club than leave and play with another club.

2) Players that are not fit enough, or dont have the interest to play Prem.

But with both lists combined, there would be 15-20 players in Div 1A (IF NOT MORE) "good enough" and "better than some current Prem players" to play Prem with most Prem sides.

**abbeyvale** · 28/10/2008, 8:32 AM

Mungret Regional 5 5 0 0 15 4 15
Geraldines 6 4 1 1 16 9 13
Summerville Rvs 6 3 2 1 14 7 11
Shannon Town 3 3 0 0 10 2 9
Charleville 5 2 2 1 7 7 8
Herbertstown 6 2 1 3 10 13 7
Prospect Priory 4 2 0 2 8 12 6
Star Rvs 4 1 1 2 10 9 4
Ballynanty Rvs 5 1 1 3 6 9 4
Hill Celtic 7 1 0 6 9 23 3
Croom Utd 3 0 2 1 1 6 2
Cappamore 6 0 2 4 11 16 2

Sun 02/11/08
Ballynanty Rvs B v Prospect Priory, 10.30, LIT, J Curran
Cappamore v Shannon Town, 10.30, O Hayes

**Pike B** · 29/10/2008, 2:07 AM

Originally Posted by BrassBalls

Shane Walters, Len O'Grady, Derek Hannon, Richie Flynn, Ger Collopy, Brian Doherty, to name a few from Star.
Ha ha out of the players you mentioned how many of them played premier last season?? All of them and all on the one team.... where'd that team finish??? Bottom. So no they aint good enough cos if they were guess what?? Thats right they'd still be playing premier FACT. They're where in 1a now?? 5th from bottom my god dont even try argue your way out of that one!!
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And who do you play for Pele??

**abbeyvale** · 29/10/2008, 7:47 AM

Originally Posted by BrassBalls

Shane Walters, Len O'Grady, Derek Hannon, Richie Flynn, Ger Collopy, Brian Doherty, to name a few from Star.
Ha ha out of the players you mentioned how many of them played premier last season?? All of them and all on the one team.... where'd that team finish??? Bottom. So no they aint good enough cos if they were guess what?? Thats right they'd still be playing premier FACT. They're where in 1a now?? 5th from bottom my god dont even try argue your way out of that one!!
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My god your missing the point.
The point of this argument is players playing outside the Prem in Limerick that would get into some Prem sides.
Yes all the above players were relegated last season, but that doesn't mean that they are not good enough to play top flight football, just like there are players playing Prem that are not good enough to Play Prem...........but get away with it because they have better players around them on their team. (Take Kevin Doyle with Reading for example!!!!!, are you telling me he wouldnt get on ANY of the Premiership clubs in England??)

I can safely say that outside maybe the top 3 or 4 teams in the Limerick Prem that EVERY other squad in the Limerick Prem has at least 1/2 players in their squad not good enough to be playing Premier football, and I can also say that EVERY team in Div 1A has at least 1 player in their squad good enough to be playing Limerick Premier football with at least ONE of the Premier teams, just like there are players playing 1B that could play 1A or higher, but prefer to stay with their own club for whatever reason they have.....

Aren't you involved with Corbally???? If so, are you telling me that NONE of the above players I mentioned would get in the Corbally side??? If you think that, then just ask Dared, he'll put you right, at least he knows a decent player when he sees one.

Dared, any comments on the above players???

**Roadend** · 29/10/2008, 8:04 AM

Originally Posted by abbeyvale

Aren't you involved with Corbally????

He certainly isn't.

**dared** · 29/10/2008, 8:08 AM

Originally Posted by Roadend

He certainly isn't.

I heard that rumour sunday night... but i think its safe to say he isnt...

**abbeyvale** · 29/10/2008, 8:09 AM

Originally Posted by dared

I heard that rumour sunday night... but i think its safe to say he isnt...

Please still feel free to comment on the above players!!!!

Would ANY of them get in the Corbally side?

**dared** · 29/10/2008, 8:16 AM

Originally Posted by abbeyvale

My god your missing the point.
The point of this argument is players playing outside the Prem in Limerick that would get into some Prem sides.
Yes all the above players were relegated last season, but that doesn't mean that they are not good enough to play top flight football, just like there are players playing Prem that are not good enough to Play Prem...........but get away with it because they have better players around them on their team. (Take Kevin Doyle with Reading for example!!!!!, are you telling me he wouldnt get on ANY of the Premiership clubs in England??)

I can safely say that outside maybe the top 3 or 4 teams in the Limerick Prem that EVERY other squad in the Limerick Prem has at least 1/2 players in their squad not good enough to be playing Premier football, and I can also say that EVERY team in Div 1A has at least 1 player in their squad good enough to be playing Limerick Premier football with at least ONE of the Premier teams, just like there are players playing 1B that could play 1A or higher, but prefer to stay with their own club for whatever reason they have.....

Aren't you involved with Corbally???? If so, are you telling me that NONE of the above players I mentioned would get in the Corbally side??? If you think that, then just ask Dared, he'll put you right, at least he knows a decent player when he sees one.

Dared, any comments on the above players???

I rate everyone of them... especially Shane Waters & Leonard O Grady. Think Shane has the making of a fine player if he's attitude was right.

**dared** · 29/10/2008, 8:17 AM

Originally Posted by abbeyvale

Please still feel free to comment on the above players!!!!

Would ANY of them get in the Corbally side?

Think Shane would..

**francesco_1** · 29/10/2008, 8:32 AM

Originally Posted by dared

Think Shane would..

And nolly not a bother

**dared** · 29/10/2008, 8:37 AM

Originally Posted by francesco_1

And nolly not a bother

No point signing a keeper who wont turn up every third game... sorry nolly you know i love you

**francesco_1** · 29/10/2008, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by dared

No point signing a keeper who wont turn up every third game... sorry nolly you know i love you

just making a point that he would if he wanted,wouldnt it be a nice battle tho 1A league verses the oscer trainer team

**dared** · 29/10/2008, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by francesco_1

just making a point that he would if he wanted,wouldnt it be a nice battle tho 1A league verses the oscer trainer team

Well mungret are at the moment the top 1A side and they couldnt beat Carew Park the bottom premier side so on that evidence id have to say it wouldnt be much of a match IMO but in saying that there are alot of players in the division that are good enough premier.

**Football Alien** · 29/10/2008, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by BrassBalls

Shane Walters, Len O'Grady, Derek Hannon, Richie Flynn, Ger Collopy, Brian Doherty, to name a few from Star.
Ha ha out of the players you mentioned how many of them played premier last season?? All of them and all on the one team.... where'd that team finish??? Bottom. So no they aint good enough cos if they were guess what?? Thats right they'd still be playing premier FACT. They're where in 1a now?? 5th from bottom my god dont even try argue your way out of that one!!

to be fair Al, out of that list Shane is a fine prospect, Len is solid but doesn't have the tempremant, derek is way too unfit but on his day he's a fine striker, richie isn't good enough (IMO), nolly best keeper in town if he shows up, and Doc was a fine player but comin to the end now. theres a good mix down in Star and they really should be up challenging

is Pa Boland still involved down there?

**abbeyvale** · 29/10/2008, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by Football Alien

to be fair Al, out of that list Shane is a fine prospect, Len is solid but doesn't have the tempremant, derek is way too unfit but on his day he's a fine striker, richie isn't good enough (IMO), nolly best keeper in town if he shows up, and Doc was a fine player but comin to the end now. theres a good mix down in Star and they really should be up challenging

is Pa Boland still involved down there?

Thats fair enough, but I was basing my list on players that "if they bothered" (in other words fully fit, available and fully comitted) would and could easily play Prem.

I agree, we should be up there challenging in 1A and probably will be come the end of the season,

Pa told us he was taking a break for while at the start of the season, and that he would be back after 6 weeks or so, but as yet he still hasn't returned.

**Carrot head** · 29/10/2008, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by dared

Well mungret are at the moment the top 1A side and they couldnt beat Carew Park the bottom premier side so on that evidence id have to say it wouldnt be much of a match IMO but in saying that there are alot of players in the division that are good enough premier.

You can't judge a team on one game. Mungret were very dissapointed with their performance that day, definitely our worst of the season. Our usual Central midfield pairing was understrenght as ger burke had to come off due to illness and mark power was out with an injury. The rest of the team just didn't perform on the day. Having said that, a missed penalty wud have put mungret in the lead midway through the second half. Instead, carew went on to get a penalty in which our center back was sent off. Mungret pushed for an equaliser but carew scored a second penalty with virtually the last kick of the game.

A Division 1A XI versus the oscar traynor team would be an interesting game but i think the oscar traynor team would win fairly easily.

**francesco_1** · 29/10/2008, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Carrot head

You can't judge a team on one game. Mungret were very dissapointed with their performance that day, definitely our worst of the season. Our usual Central midfield pairing was understrenght as ger burke had to come off due to illness and mark power was out with an injury. The rest of the team just didn't perform on the day. Having said that, a missed penalty wud have put mungret in the lead midway through the second half. Instead, carew went on to get a penalty in which our center back was sent off. Mungret pushed for an equaliser but carew scored a second penalty with virtually the last kick of the game.

A Division 1A XI versus the oscar traynor team would be an interesting game but i think the oscar traynor team would win fairly easily.

It would be a good watch tho IMO the 1A boys would be more up for it as they'd want to prove something

**Dark Horse** · 29/10/2008, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Futebol

Ya why not try to name the eleven players that would make up your dream team.Seriously I think you should try get to a few more Premier games. There is a large gulf and any player who has played in both will tell you that.

There are even players playing lower than 1A that would get on most Prem teams if they had the interest but they dont..Jonners (Alan Johnson) is playing in 4A but is one of the best keepers in Limerick...I dont want to name names but I will mention a couple from Hill Celtic, I know we are currently in the bottom half of the table but these players are only after signing or back from injury....Skinner McCormack/Dottie Stewart/Ming(Pat McCallack) who could have all signed Premier but decided to stick with Hill Celtic to name a few, plus dont forget that Leo Wong played 1A all last season and was on the Oscar Trainer team, there is at least 1 if not 2 players if you took from every team that would beat most Premiership teams.

Originally Posted by lankyboy26

a large gulf? it's the limerick premier league not the bloody premiership in england!!! you'd swear the premier league is some sort of elitist group of players that outclass everyone else in the lower divisions?! i don't think so. if you are playing with better players and you have good ability you will be fine playing premier. yes the standard of matches in the premier is better but there are lots of players playing in the lower divisions that could play premier and i'm not going to start naming people because that isn't fair. i've played premier and 1A, not a huge 'gulf' as you call it

Here Here.......I have played both also and there isnt much of a Gulf.

Originally Posted by dared

Well mungret are at the moment the top 1A side and they couldnt beat Carew Park the bottom premier side so on that evidence id have to say it wouldnt be much of a match IMO but in saying that there are alot of players in the division that are good enough premier.

Originally Posted by Carrot head

You can't judge a team on one game. Mungret were very dissapointed with their performance that day, definitely our worst of the season. Our usual Central midfield pairing was understrenght as ger burke had to come off due to illness and mark power was out with an injury. The rest of the team just didn't perform on the day. Having said that, a missed penalty wud have put mungret in the lead midway through the second half. Instead, carew went on to get a penalty in which our center back was sent off. Mungret pushed for an equaliser but carew scored a second penalty with virtually the last kick of the game.

A Division 1A XI versus the oscar traynor team would be an interesting game but i think the oscar traynor team would win fairly easily.

Agreed, I watched the game and Mungret were very unlucky not to win.

Originally Posted by francesco_1

It would be a good watch tho IMO the 1A boys would be more up for it as they'd want to prove something

The only difference being the best players dont play for the Oscar Trainer team.

**Lev Yashin** · 29/10/2008, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by dared

Well mungret are at the moment the top 1A side and they couldnt beat Carew Park the bottom premier side so on that evidence id have to say it wouldnt be much of a match IMO but in saying that there are alot of players in the division that are good enough premier.

well Granville are a premier team and seriously struggled to beat us....

**dared** · 29/10/2008, 1:10 PM

Originally Posted by Carrot head

You can't judge a team on one game. Mungret were very dissapointed with their performance that day, definitely our worst of the season. Our usual Central midfield pairing was understrenght as ger burke had to come off due to illness and mark power was out with an injury. The rest of the team just didn't perform on the day. Having said that, a missed penalty wud have put mungret in the lead midway through the second half. Instead, carew went on to get a penalty in which our center back was sent off. Mungret pushed for an equaliser but carew scored a second penalty with virtually the last kick of the game.

A Division 1A XI versus the oscar traynor team would be an interesting game but i think the oscar traynor team would win fairly easily.

Thats the point i was making ... i suppose on a there day a decent 1A side is well capable of beating any premier side but if both teams play to the best of there abilitys its safe to say the premier side would win more often then not ...