Doyle is intelligent. Its probably one of his biggest attributes.
He was played on the wing for the majority of the season, and scored 6 goals, more than people like Andy Johnson(who is brainless)
He's definetly mid-table EPL level.
To be fair to Georgie who I admit is not Championship standard, he did not fail at Ipswich, the fans did rate him and Georgie was the 3rd choice central midfielder. Georgie asked for a loan to Brighton where he took the **** in League 1. He came home to City by choice after asking for a release from his Ipswich deal, in fact he is/was being paid more by City now then he was being paid by Ipswich believe it or not.Originally Posted by jebus
No. I always thought Owen Heary could have made the step up, but he's had his day.
I was at that match. Granted, he made 2/3 runs with the ball as Derry were caught up the pitch. But Derry were so bad, you or I could have made a positive impression.
I agree.You'll always get the exception though.
After watching Bohs and Pats (and Derry) in under a week, I'm left with the feeling that there is still a very very long way for players to get to International level standard. They are not going to get there playing in the EL each week.
An honest opinion from an ardant LOI fan.
As Irishmen we dilute our sense of nation by depending on the English to bring us our balls
while at the moment i think No, it also has to be said that there are far better players than Jonathan Douglas playing each week in the eL.
one thing has to be said that at the time, Crowe and Byrne deserved their call up and Crowe can certainly be said to have played very well against Greece. Byrne was unfortunate that he didnt score a goal during his 20 second cameo
I have said plenty of times before that I dont think any LOI player is good enough for a place in the international team, but Mooneys goal scoring record over the last couple of seasons might make him an interesting option considering his height. I do think though to get a regular starting place he would have to be playing regularly in a higher standard league
Its really not that complicated!!!
Are league of Ireland players good enough for the starting 11?
Hell no, not yet.
Are they good enough to make up the squad / subs bench, rather than plastic paddies from the Championship / League 1?
Too bloody right they are. It's not so much a question of quality, but more the larger question of precisely where you draw the line in picking a squad of "irish" players.
Last year, Derry City played Pyunik and most of their players played for the Armenian national side. Cork played a Cypriot team a while ago and it's possible that some of their players played for the Cyprus team, though I'm not sure. Over the years el teams have played Romanian, Serbian, Swedish and Croatian sides which had full internationals in their line-ups.
Playing against sides that have full internationals is invaluable experience.
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yet another outstanding contribution to a discussion from tetsujin.
Dave Mooney. Well able for the national team.
Appollon had several cypriot internationals, several iraqi internationals and a polish international striker Lukas Sosin (3 caps, 2 goals). A few months later Ireland lost to a Cypriot team containing several Apollon players, in the very stadium City had beaten them.
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On what basis? Is he more deserving than say Clinton Morrison? A man proven to have a good understanding with Keane, and a guy who is coming off the back of a very good season in the Championship
Byrne, consistently one of the top scorers in the eL - contributed little or nothing in 2 games (ok, one cameo, and one substitution) - to the international scene. Since then he's had a failed move to Cardiff where he scored on his debut (a tap in IIRC) and did little or nothing following that. If Trap/Brady/Tardelli recommended the Cardiff sub striker tomorrrow, the eL fans on the forum would be up in arms, but this player would be as good as Byrne, if not better.
Crowe, as you say, did play well against Greece up front alongside Gary Doherty, but since then, his star has fallen somewhat in the eL, and (IMO) is no longer good enough to be considered for international selection.
There are some good players in the eL - I'm not denying that - but what they, and the fans, are going to have to accept is that success in the English game is going to be the benchmark for success for the forseeable future. Right now there are probably 5-7 MAX players in the league that could be brought in to improve the senior international squad, but few (if any) of these would improve the first choice starting XI (assuming no injuries or suspensions)
From seeing him play, duh!!
Maybe not, but is prob more deserving than other players that get picked in the squads.
Armenia!!!!!!!!!!! Mate who would you rather play against to gain experience Armenia or Crystal Palace (8 full internationals in their first team squad including 3 Irish) Longford played Vaduz (Practically the Liechenstein team) was that genuine European experience?? These sides are rubbish. As for Limassol, well fair enough they are about the same level as Cork City. Trap could put out a team of EL Players against Armenia or Liechenstein and expect to win, he could do the same against Cyprus and maybe expect to draw but as a footballing nation that is not the level we should be competing at. The question should be are there any EL players capable of making a significant contribution to our WC qualifying campaign (Cos if they cant they should not play international football). The answer must be no, who in the EL could compete against the Italians - they may have the latent talent to do so but they do not have the experience.
As for whoever said there are EL players as good as the players in the Irish squad, could you name a team of 11 to beat Given, O'Shea, Dunne, McShane, Kilbane, Mcgeady, S. Reid, A. Reid, Duff, Keane, Doyle? just for starters.
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I don't think anyone is arguing to have a team of EL players. People would like to see players who are a genuine talent in Ireland given a chance to represent their country. I really can't see why the likes of Fahey (who IMO is the only EL player anywhere near ready) can't be given a chance in freindlys to prove himself. If he flops, fair enough he's not good enough and we move on but the fact is because he plays in Ireland he will most likely never be given that oppurtunity to prove himself.
I saw him play this season and thought he was a diving, over-rated hack, we all have opinions but thankfully there are better criteria for selection than what a few fans of a certain player think
Unfortunatly a bit off yet but then it can always be down to a break of a ball and a top team off form.
Colin Healy it would have to be for me. Doesnt get half the praise he deserves
"Now jump up there and stuff that son of a bitch in the basket, chief"
in a word - "NO"
maybe give the like of mooney and co a chance in a friendly but absolutely not in a competitive game
I would love to see the EL be more represented in the national team - but fact is , they just aint uo to the standard required
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Armenia beat Poland 1-0 in the Euro qualifying and drew with Portugal, Finland and Serbia all at home. Therefore, EL teams travelling to play ties in those places are going to get a real experienece of what the national team would face.
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