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    Linfield & Derry City set to take player payment battle to FIFA.


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    If Linfield didn't offer a contract as stated in the article, they haven't a leg to stand on. As for verbal contracts.......

    Our legal advisor has a fairly good record in recent years (after Saddam anyway)

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneRedArmy View Post
    If Linfield didn't offer a contract as stated in the article, they haven't a leg to stand on. As for verbal contracts.......

    Our legal advisor has a fairly good record in recent years (after Saddam anyway)
    We will have to see. I'm no expert so I will just let it run it's course.

    The one key thing that I would point out is, Derry City offered a 'goodwill' gesture of 3k. Which to me gives the impression that DC might be in the wrong here.

    90k for Stewart would be very nice though
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    Linfield will get no more than what we paid for any other player in the same situation, if we have to pay.
    Last edited by Dazzy; 25/06/2008 at 3:44 PM.

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    If Linfield have not offered Thomas Stewart a contract in writing via registered post at least 60 days before the expiry of his current contract there will be no training compensation. As for £45,000 per year, Jim Kerr has been wrongly advised, in the category of club he is dealing with. Also, Thomas Stewart has have had to be signed as a professional by Derry what's to say he has? I'm also sure that training compensation will only be paid up until Stewarts time with Linfield up until his 21st birthday. The 23 rule is to protect players up to that age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lofty9 View Post
    If Linfield have not offered Thomas Stewart a contract in writing via registered post at least 60 days before the expiry of his current contract there will be no training compensation. As for £45,000 per year, Jim Kerr has been wrongly advised, in the category of club he is dealing with. Also, Thomas Stewart has have had to be signed as a professional by Derry what's to say he has? I'm also sure that training compensation will only be paid up until Stewarts time with Linfield up until his 21st birthday. The 23 rule is to protect players up to that age.
    And are you 100% certain this is all fact?
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    Article 6 Special provisions for the EU/EEA
    1. For players moving from one association to another inside the territory
    of the EU/EEA, the amount of training compensation payable shall be
    established based on the following:
    a) If the player moves from a lower to a higher category club, the
    calculation shall be based on the average training costs of the
    two clubs;
    b) If the player moves from a higher to a lower category, the
    calculation shall be based on the training costs of the lowercategory
    club.
    2. Inside the EU/EEA, the fi nal season of training may occur before the
    season of the player’s 21st birthday if it is established that the player
    completed his training before that time.
    3. If the former club does not offer the player a contract, no training
    compensation is payable unless the former club can justify that it is
    entitled to such compensation. The former club must offer the player
    a contract in writing via registered post at least 60 days before the
    expiry of his current contract. Such an offer shall furthermore be at
    least of an equivalent value to the current contract. This provision is
    without prejudice to the right to training compensation of the player’s
    previous club(s).
    FIFA guidelines. You havnt a leg to stand on

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    Luckily, both clubs are from the same Civil juristriction.
    Like any good athlete, it'll run and run.
    " I'll go right up to here,
    it can't possibly hurt.
    All they will find is my
    beer and my shirt."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Bruce View Post
    And are you 100% certain this is all fact?
    Are you questioning the accuracy of the Tele?

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    Quote Originally Posted by City till I Die View Post
    FIFA guidelines. You havnt a leg to stand on
    I'm not saying we do, but if you think guidelines are concrete, you are fooling yourself.

    I don't think we will get 90k, but I do think we will get something. I cannot see Linfield persuing something that would make them look foolish can you?

    I also don't get why DC would offer 3k 'goodwill' gesture either if they didn't have something to be wary of.

    So maybe it is not as black and white as you may think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Bruce View Post
    And are you 100% certain this is all fact?
    have a look for yourself

    http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affe...s_en_33410.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Bruce View Post
    I also don't get why DC would offer 3k 'goodwill' gesture either if they didn't have something to be wary of.
    Maybe a good will gesture is to do exactly as it says on the can - maintain 'good will' between two clubs who will undoubtedly have dealings between each other again in the future ?

    Maybe the relatively small sum of £3k was offered because City knows that it is in the right, but would rather save the time, legal costs and bitterness involved in this going further - and is conscious also of the need to work with Linfield again in future ?

    You're right - things aren't always black and white
    Last edited by dcfcsteve; 26/06/2008 at 6:00 PM.

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    It looks like the ball is in Derry's court unless the player is inclined to back up Linfield to the hilt, that there was an agreeable verbal contract.

    Will the offer of £3k goodwill be withdrawn should Linfield persist with their training fee demand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by City till I Die View Post
    FIFA guidelines. You havnt a leg to stand on
    Did you note this part of the regulation you quoted?

    3. If the former club does not offer the player a contract, no training
    compensation is payable unless the former club can justify that it is
    entitled to such compensation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_Parker View Post
    Did you note this part of the regulation you quoted?

    3. If the former club does not offer the player a contract, no training
    compensation is payable unless the former club can justify that it is
    entitled to such compensation.

    I would say that this is generally argued in cases in which a player has been with the one team for a considerably longer term than Stewart had been with Linfield.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Bruce View Post
    I also don't get why DC would offer 3k 'goodwill' gesture either if they didn't have something to be wary of.
    Er, for goodwill?
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    Gavin,

    You have to understand that goodwill is an alien concept to people from Belfast........
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    Businesses do not give away money for no reason. I do not believe in Goodwill gestures by football clubs.

    I do find it rather ironic and amusing some one from stroke city having a jibe at Belfast. But there ya go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Bruce View Post
    Businesses do not give away money for no reason. I do not believe in Goodwill gestures by football clubs.

    I do find it rather ironic and amusing some one from stroke city having a jibe at Belfast. But there ya go.
    Whys that? Lets be honest here Belfast is full of self-centred big headed arseholes. Derry has its fair share but Belfast is full of them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maribor View Post
    Gavin,

    You have to understand that goodwill is an alien concept to people from Belfast........
    Quote Originally Posted by City till I Die View Post
    Whys that? Lets be honest here Belfast is full of self-centred big headed arseholes. Derry has its fair share but Belfast is full of them
    Sweeping Generalisation alert!! I take it the pair of you have lived in the City for prolonged period of time and have met all of the 600,000 inhabitants of greater Belfast and thats how you came to such conclusions about them what do you two Derry City fans have against Belfast anyway?
    Last edited by SolitudeRed; 30/06/2008 at 7:17 PM.

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