True - but a country like Hungary is hurt by their entry into the 2nd QR of the CL. Drogs picked up 2 wins in the first QR whereas Budapest drew Fenerbahce in the 2nd QR without getting any points under their belt. Wisla drew Beitar Jerusalem in a similar situation.Originally Posted by Duggie
They'll begin to climb up again once they get put back to 1st QR and pick up 2 wins each year - it's the see-saw effect.
On the Hungary issue - from a CL point of view it's important to try to keep ahead of them. By my calculations, if we are ranked 32 or higher, then our CL representatives will be seeded (barring individual team coefficients from those countries lower than us)
*edit* relevant UEFA games
The countries around us (that we could realistically catch or be caught by) in the table are Latvia (in our UEFA region), Bosnia, Hungary, Poland, and possibly Lithuania or Slovenia, but I think they're a bit far ahead of us.
- Metalurgs (Lat) V Glentoran (Nir) - 1-1
- Olimps Riga (Lat) V Pats - Riga 1-0 down
- Vilnius (Lit) V Stavanger (No) - Vilnius 1-0 up
- Suduva Marijampole (Lit) V TNS (Wal) - Sudova 1-0 up
- Poznan (Pol) V Lenkoran (Azb) - Poznan 1-0 up
- Warsaw (Pol) V Gomel (Blr) - 0-0
- Gyor (Hun) V Zestafoni (Geo) - 1-1 Gyor go through 3-2 on aggregate
- Debrecen (Hun) V Karaganda (Kaz) - 1-1
- Brijeg (Bos) V Tirana (Alb) - 0-0
- Mostar (Bos) V Vaduz (Lie) - Mostar 2-1 up
- Ljubljana (Slo) V Golubovci (Mon) - 1-1
- Koper (Slo) V Vllaznia Shkodër (Alb) - Koper 2-1 down
Obviously from a coefficient point of view, it's the second leg result that is most important, but I put in the tie as it stands as obviously whether a close rival goes through to the next round will hava big effect on whether they can keep accumulating points.
Last edited by bigmac; 31/07/2008 at 3:23 PM. Reason: updating scores
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Just a note to say that the qualifying rounds will be much different next year with a prelim round being introduced. The North were in Danger of playing this. Also the UEFA cup will have massive changes with possibly 3 Irish teams in it (in lieu of intertoto)
I can't find any hard news about this
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There are a few posts earlier in the thread about what happens to us next year and what the nearest magic numbers are.
2009 CL & UEFA access
nearest ranking cutoffs
Seeing as the access ranking is a year behind (2007 ranking used for 2009 access) the North won't be in the Q0 preliminary round. That'll be Faroes, Luxembourg, Malta, Montenegro (as they have no historical coefficient points), Andorra and San Marino. Their 2008 ranking just avoids this as well and at the moment in 2009 they are 1 place ahead of the preliminary round. On the flip side, they would probably be guaranteed coefficient points!
Last edited by bigmac; 31/07/2008 at 12:18 PM.
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Cheers bigmac. It still seems very much in the air. The co-eff points gained from the QR1 have yet to be decided afaik
Have you further links to help?
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Which QR1? As soon as a match is finished, the points are allocated - same as league points being allocated for matches. Or do you mean that it's unsure whether QR1 next year will carry full or half points?
Bert Kassies has pretty much everything you could want here
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Bert Kassies' site has an access list; as things stand, in 2010, our Cup winners would go straight into the third qualifying round, the league runners up into the second and the other team into the first. That involves us keeping our current (27th) ranking for 2010. Has the structure and everything.
Don't worry I'm on bert's site a bit. but even then, next years detials haven't been fleshed out fully.
Like... will point from the newly introduced QR1 in the CL have the same points as the current QR1 (i.e. 1 for win .5 for draw)? if so we could quickley start losing ground to those below us
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Should have guessed, I suppose! Dunno more than what's on his site.
Gyor (Hungary) team now playing in the UEFA cup (1-1) from first leg which was play in Hungary so hopefully they lose - 11mins gone 0-0
1-1 after 60mins and 2-2 on agg - good battle now .....
Last edited by swinfordfc; 31/07/2008 at 2:16 PM.
1-2 after 80mins - Gyor (Hungary) will be in the next round
Haka v City team confirmed
Devine, Horgan, Murray, Sullivan, Danny Murphy, Lordan, Darren Murphy, Healy, Gamble, Kearney, Mooney
Behan out Lordan in.
Probably a one legged O'Flynn & some 12 year olds on the bench.
Cork playing one or 2 up front?
With Gyor wining their match, Hungary are now only 1 win away from catching us!1-2 after 80mins - Gyor (Hungary) will be in the next round
Updated table reads as follows;
27 Finland 8.957
28 Lithuania 8.666
29 Slovenia 8.582
30 Latvia 8.498
31 Poland 8.416
32 Ireland 8.165
33 Bosnia H 7.998
34 Hungary 7.832
What we need tonight is for a St. Pats win thus knocking out a Latvian side and for Cork to some how win over in Finland!
Don't think it'll matter really - it's only the really bad countries that will have the opportunity of gaining points in the new QR0 so it shouldn't really affect us. Assuming that the points are the same, then as soon as they start to close the gap they'll be out of QR0 and into QR1 - where they'll be unseeded. I would imagine that the coefficients of the bottom 8 or so teams will go up as they get the easy draws, but I don't think that anyone will overhaul us as a result of this.
Put it this way - assume that the Faroese champions win both ties in the QR0 - it still only gives them .666 points per year to add to their country score. On a 5 year run this gives them a base of 3.3 coefficient points plus whatever they can pick up against seeded teams. Add this 3.3 to their current performance and they're still only at about 5.5 - by which point they'd have moved well away from the easy draws in QR0 but still be 3 or so points behind us.
The new round only makes a difference to those teams within a few places either side of the cutoff. Look at our situation with Hungary this year as an example - Drogs enter a round earlier, therefore get extra points and we can catch Hungary in the standings. Therefore Hungarian stattos are looking at the coefficient and saying "crap, Ireland gets two easier ties and will catch us up" whereas countries a few places higher, eg Norway, aren't affected that much by us getting an extra round because we're no threat to them.
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Stu, with respect to the 2010 ranking of 27th (very difficult to predict that far ahead tbh), that ranking will only give us Q3 access in 2012 as the access is 2 years removed from the rankings list. This is so every league knows exactly how many places it has before it begins its season.
Last edited by bigmac; 31/07/2008 at 3:12 PM. Reason: just read stu's post
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Glentoran are 1-1 from the first leg against the Lativan team Metalurgs Liepaja and after 5 mins of the second leg in Latvia - the lativans have a man sent off - surely Glentoran can go on and win the game!
Would be huge result for us if they did. I wouldn't worry too much about Hungary. If we don't get them this year they're losing a massive 4.166 points next yearGlentoran are 1-1 from the first leg against the Lativan team Metalurgs Liepaja and after 5 mins of the second leg in Latvia - the lativans have a man sent off - surely Glentoran can go on and win the game!
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McNulty, Ryan, Mulcahy, O' Flynn, Behan, Kelly, O' Connor according to http://www.corkcityfc.ie/views/matchday.php
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Glentoran 1-0 nil down and the other team to 10 men after 5 mins! 41 mins play!Glentoran are 1-1 from the first leg against the Lativan team Metalurgs Liepaja and after 5 mins of the second leg in Latvia - the lativans have a man sent off - surely Glentoran can go on and win the game!
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