True but proves people should not be allowed near the road without some validation of basic knowledge. Theory test does not count.Originally Posted by Billsthoughts
He passed at second attempt surprisingly. Kind of triggered this thread.
Anyone hear the woman on Newstalk this morning who protested that you didn't need to be able to reverse a car to drive properly?
Pure comedy gold.
Interestingly, it was confirmed that people who drive unsupervised on a provisional license will still be covered by their insurance. I find this strange.
can you be insured to perform an illegal activity? crazy if you can.
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Did not hear that but caught the tail end of some guy saying he would have to drive illegally as had no other option to get to college. Had been only driving 7 months so only not allowed to sit test.
I expect more moaning & hard luck stories to emerge this week. Tough liuck as there has been enough notice of this & days of buying car before getting full licence are gone now & people need to look at passing test between 17-20 years old.
If you look at the numbers of people on provisionals that was in the media last week it shows a huge drop from 2nd to 3rd. It should now be possible to easily get 2 tests within a 6 month period.
Passed my test this morning on second attempt, thank f#ck!!
Poor girl that went out before me to do the test never even got to start the car, I think something must have been up with the car and they would not let her sit the test, she was nearly in tears.
I had a friend who did the test last week and he failed. He rang me today and is gutted. He's afraid to drive. I said to him that when he passes he will have to display 'R' plates, denoting restricted driver. But he thinks not.
Any clear this up?
'And Crouch must score'
I believe that is only in NI. R plates do not exist here.
There are number of issues that will ensure failure before even sitting in the car. I know of a guy whose passenger door could not be opened from the inside so tester did not discover it until the end of the test. I believe passenger door opening from the inside is an actual specific requirement in the notification letter.
Even though there seems to have been more around recently it seems that most people don't display L plate as with 300k+ provisional licence holders they seem far too rare. The numbers will probably drop even more now otherwise people driving on their own would stand out too much.
I would say I have seen more people with L plates now than ever before. I think whatever about being caught with no driver in car with you; no L plates is a deffo red card offence as it implies you are deliberatly trying to evade the law. I think you will see some initial leniancy towards people with L plates but no fully licenced driver. You wont get the same for the provisionals with no L plates. I feel sorry for anyone who still needs it as the system is ridiculous.
And rightly so, as he isn't permitted to drive unaccompanied.
I'm still amazed at how many people think driving is a right rather than a privilege.
While I agree with him being off the road. I think individual practice is the key to any learning experience. I suspect that if you had someone beside you all the time when you were driving that it would be become a sort of crutch.
Last edited by DeNiro; 30/06/2008 at 4:42 PM.
'And Crouch must score'
I learned to drive in the North. I had someone beside me up and until I passed my test. Its the way the rest of the world does it.
are you serious?
People who havent passed the test in the republic should not be allowed drive here unless accompanied by someone who has passed the test here.
With there still existing week waiting period after an application and over 1 in 3 people still failing, they should've left it go longer until the waiting period is down further. As it stands it looks like the only way to be optimistic about it is say perhaps they're making things worse so there'll be less resistence to radically making it better.
I'm off the road anyway, here's hoping the turtles in micls' house survive while she's away as I won't be up to feed them. Blood on your hands, minister
Your Chairperson,
Gavin
Membership Advisory Board
"Ex Bardus , Vicis"
You've lost me...
I'm just reading this thread for the 1st time and I'm gobsmacked. Any driver of any age or 'miles' under their belt should NEVER be allowed to drive without a qualified driver unless they have passed a test. I don't give a damn about where you have to go or no alternatives available etc.
I use the road every day and often carry the kids with me. What right has an unqualified driver to put our safety in jeopardy? How dare any such person try and justify it.
Everybody has to start somewhere in learning to drive but do it with the minimum possibility of harming themselves or others. Check the death toll on our roads from now until this day next week and them let me have your reasoned argument.
I'm not disputing that drivers need to have some sort of qualification behind them before they go driving but the system at the moment is pathetic compared to other countries. The idea that someone driving in a certain manner for 35 minutes makes them a safe, responsible driver is ridiculous. A proper education in road manners, the law, good habits and on the consequences of bad driving are whats needed. I have driven quite a bit as a provisional driver and all you need to do is travel on a dual carriageway at the legal speed limit and watch who's going past you. It isn't learner drivers, its full licensed drivers in beemers and mercs. You only need to watch the guy who thinks its alright to sneak past the first few seconds of the red light. Show me the truck driver who's parked across a cross hatched junction. I can't find the statistics on fatal car crashes involving learner drivers, whether they're higher or lower but making some assumption that requiring they have a second (practically useless for most people) driver in the car will make no real difference to the statistics. The death toll on our roads may be high but it has been consistently dropping; it isn't because we're all magically better drivers, its because people's attitudes have been changed, and if anything that is more prevalent in younger drivers than habit-bound older people.
Your Chairperson,
Gavin
Membership Advisory Board
"Ex Bardus , Vicis"
merely pointing out that stupid ill thought out laws are not that great when they effect you.
exactly. majority of bad drivers are not learners. having someone in the car with you is of absolutely no benefit unless you are actually driving for the first time. some people on provisionals have been driving a couple of years or more. what benefit will having someone in the car do them? how will that stop them crashing?
Saw Questions & Answers tonight & girl in the audience complaining about the new law. Apparently she "worked in the film industry" & worked unusual hours & repeated several times "who is going to drive me to work". John Bowman asked if she could not get a taxi. She replied asking if "she looked like she could afford a taxi" when clearly she did.
There are some pretty sh*te drivers out there alright and if,as you say, you are a better diver than them then you'll have no problem passing the test. Under the old system, those drivers of 'beemers and mercs' could easily have provisional licences........
And, as a chap in his 40's, I will happily acknowledge that the majority of younger drivers today are more responsible with cars than we were. The problem nowadays however, are that there are twice as many cars on the road and today's younger generation can afford more powerful cars than we could.
Bottom line is, without enforcing stricter access to our roads, you cannot distinguish the good learner driver from the one that should never be let near a road.
Firstly, someone who has been driving for a couple of years should have passed their test. If you have failed, what does that say other than you are not ready to drive independantly.
Secondly, a qualified driver with you can impart advice, guidance and experience. That was a silly point
Last edited by dahamsta; 01/07/2008 at 8:08 AM.
Then the only option is moving to a situation whereby learners can only drive either on private property or with a registered driving instruction in the car.
The current law is certain less stupid and ill thought on that the previous one.
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