Drogs Stadium

**pineapple stu** · 13/06/2008, 7:27 AM

Probably.

Though I don't tend to go trawling old threads just in case people on my ignore list have posted questions four weeks after the event.

And in any event, I've as much evidence that Shels are spending their ground money still as higgins has that they aren't. And we know how accurate higgins' previous comments on the Shels issue have been.

Anyways, thanks for dragging this way off topic, higgins.

**higgins** · 14/06/2008, 2:41 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

And in any event, I've as much evidence that Shels are spending their ground money still as higgins has that they aren't. And we know how accurate higgins' previous comments on the Shels issue have been.

More lies Stu,,, really you need to just admit you are wrong!

You did see the question in the previous thread and choose to ignore it of course. It was asked by me and aother poster and you replied a few times after without answering or explaining the lies you came out with.

What do you mean by you having evidence to our over spending or spending of ground money ?
I know exactly what money comes into Shelbourne and exactly what goes out of Shelbourne and therefore know you are making sh!t up.

You've been making stuff up about shelbourne for years!! You never know 100% of what is going on yet you jump into things without having the full and proper information.

It's an internet message board and I'm sure lies get told very often on here but your attack on Shelbourne goes back many years now. I'd just like the rest of the people on here to see you for what you really are, a liar!

**Student Mullet** · 14/06/2008, 4:28 PM

Originally Posted by higgins

You've been making stuff up about shelbourne for years!! You never know 100% of what is going on yet you jump into things without having the full and proper information.

That's true but some of the things he said about Shels turned out to be more true than false.

**higgins** · 14/06/2008, 7:00 PM

Predictions that Shels would blow up ?
Yes, 100% correct but the thing is a lot of Shels fans would tell you the exact same

It was crazy what was going on,, and those who thought they knew part of what was going on found it was 10 times worse...

Stu states things as if they are facts.
I know from my own involvment with Shelbourne that Stu has lied on many occasions regarding Shelbourne. As the drama unfolded and Stu posted here on who was right or wrong and what those at Shelbourne should do, he almost always failed to take into account one or two facts that changed the picture.

Not your fault Stu but you should stop assuming what you know is 100% of the information

The current line about Shelbourne overspending today and spending money from the Tolka Park sale ??

Nonsense.

You've no idea what's going on and simply made that up but are not man enough to admit it.

**pineapple stu** · 16/06/2008, 6:10 PM

Originally Posted by higgins

I know from my own involvment with Shelbourne that Stu has lied on many occasions regarding Shelbourne.

Can you point these many occasions I've lied?

Can you prove I'm wrong in this instance? It was on your forum last year, I think, that you were still spending the ground money (this after you'd gone tits up).

If you're going to accuse people of lying, you'd want to start at least trying to provide some reasons or examples.

**higgins** · 17/06/2008, 11:46 AM

Stu, do you honestly think I am the one who should provide the proof in this instance ?
The proof you would require is what exactly??!!

You lied that Shels are continuing to overspend.
I know Shels are not overspending this year.

Last season was different to this one.
In order to survive the club needed to service some of the debts we had, example might be the tax man or the crowd who look after our pitch or the FAI, ESB etc
Without servicing these debts we simply couldn't run a football club. In order to keep the club going we needed to spend more than what was coming in and more money from the ground sale was used.

Certain sponsorship deals were also tied up into 2 and 3 year deals and money from these had of course been spent early on. It's only this season where we have the ability to bring some money in through sponsorship.

This season what comes in is what goes out.
No overspending Stu!

You said in this thread http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=90147 post number 126
Yep, let's have a team who are continuing to overspend from the sale of their ground (and who would have to spend even more if they go up) and who are still a disaster in the making two years after they should have learnt; that'll do good.

The onus is not on me to prove Shels are not overspending !!
You made the claim now either back it up with something or admit what I already know to be the case i.e you lied

**pineapple stu** · 17/06/2008, 12:00 PM

So you can't actually provide a single instance where I've lied, other than one instance where you can't prove I have?

However, this part -

"Last season was different to this one.
In order to survive the club needed to service some of the debts we had, example might be the tax man or the crowd who look after our pitch or the FAI, ESB etc
Without servicing these debts we simply couldn't run a football club. In order to keep the club going we needed to spend more than what was coming in and more money from the ground sale was used."

- may well be what was referred to on your forum, where I got my info. So we're agreed that you were spending the ground money last year anyways. It'd be a quite remarkable turnaround to have no debts to finance this year and, with a much increased wage bill, you're obviously spending more than last year (don't even try to argue that Philip Hughes is on less than John Brophy).

However, counter facts from yourself would be appreciated. Though I won't hold my breath.

**higgins** · 17/06/2008, 1:13 PM

You are lying now.
Shels are not continuing to overspend as your post on the 25th of May indicated.
What proof you require I don't know ?? The onus should be on you to back up your claims.
I know that Shels are not overspending which is how I know you lied.

I never said we have no debts, what I said was 'In order to survive the club needed to service some of the debts we had'. The word SOME is in there... All other debts will be serviced fully when the Tolka Park sale is complete. The debts that were serviced were ones that had to be serviced in order for the club to continue to trade, I've already given you some examples. In fact some of them were being serviced this year too but not costing as much has they did last year as we have dealt with many of them.

I agree money from the sale of Tolka Park was spent last season, without it we would have gone under!!
Not something I am happy with but something that had to be done in order to survive.

Here's another fact for you Stu.

Shelbourne FC are spending less in 2008 on players wages than they did in the 2007 season.
Our playing budget this season is running at about 80 to 90% of last seasons playing budget so come November we will have spent less in 2008 than we did in 2007 on the playing side of things.

**ndrog** · 17/06/2008, 3:47 PM

lads do us a favour and argue in pm,s os something please .Drogheda thread about staduim remember ? thanks.

**pineapple stu** · 17/06/2008, 3:56 PM

Originally Posted by higgins

Here's another fact for you Stu.

Shelbourne FC are spending less in 2008 on players wages than they did in the 2007 season.
Our playing budget this season is running at about 80 to 90% of last seasons playing budget so come November we will have spent less in 2008 than we did in 2007 on the playing side of things.

Liar.

See? I can do it too.

Where are all my "many" other lies? Still waiting to see them.

Originally Posted by ndrog[/quote

lads do us a favour and argue in pm,s os something please .Drogheda thread about staduim remember ? thanks.

You're right (!). I've actually already asked for the thread to be split (and the rubbish binned). You'll appreciate I don't take kindly to indiscriminately being called a liar with no proof whatsoever. Is there a mod of the Drogheda section?

**higgins** · 17/06/2008, 4:08 PM

It makes no difference to me what section you want to talk about this Stu.

Facts are you stated something about Shelbourne and won't back it up. How about we continue in the thread where you came out with the lie ?

I provided a link in my last post.

**pineapple stu** · 17/06/2008, 4:13 PM

Not if it's going to continue with you failing completely to show that it's a lie, or show my "many" other lies.

**higgins** · 17/06/2008, 4:23 PM

What way would you like me to prove you lied ?
I know what's going on at Shelbourne this year and can tell you there's no overspending. You stated it as if it were a fact. A fact I know not to be true.

You have a twisted way of looking at things.
It's ok for you to state that Shelbourne are continuing overspending on the 25th May 2008. Yet I've to just come on here and prove they are not ???

If I said someone on here had 5 nipples, would he/she have to come on and prove that they don't ? Your logic is crazy!

Please back up your statement with regards to Shelbourne.
I know you told a lie so can confidently post here and call you a liar.

**micls** · 17/06/2008, 7:25 PM

Would ye not just take it elsewhere. Talk about highjacking a thread.

Higgins, whatever your problem with him can you not take it to a new thread or to pm. This thread has a specific purpose and being the ground for one of you and pinapples regular bitching 'You're a liar, no you're a liar' sessions, isn't it.

Can ye not let Drogheda enjoy their result without having to bring an age old argument up yet again about a club irrelevant to the thread.

**higgins** · 18/06/2008, 10:52 AM

micls, sorry about the thread hijack!
I did try to direct Stu back to the original thread but no joy there...

Anyway

June 18th today

Isn't this the last day for objections to planning permission.
Deadline of about 12 or 1pm isn't it usually ???