New UEFA national team coeffecient system

[eekers]

http://www.uefa.com/uefa/keytopics/k...feed&att=index

Basically uefa are changing the system for working out the seeds to the european championship (fifa are still usign fifa ranking for world cups). The new system takes in the result from the last 3 qualfying campaigns and the last 2 final tournaments (previously they only used the qualifying and not the finals!). So for euro 2012 they'll take into account wc2006(qualifying and tournament), euro2008(qualifying and tournament) and wc2010 (qualifying). full pdf here

not sure whether to put this thread in world football or no?

[irishultra]

We have finished third in last two competitions, so if we qualify, we should be ok.

[eekers]

i cant see us getting into the second pool for the 2012 qualifiers tbh. we'll be stuck in the third pool til qualifiers for wc2014

[gspain]

This only applies for European Championship qualification but includes all major tournaments for ranking purposes..

We will be 3rd seeds at best for 2012 as even if we qualify for 2010 the draw for the 2012 qualifiers will be made before the 2010 finals.

[irishultra]

Scotland were second seeds for world cup draw, am I right?

[eekers]

Scotland were second seeds for world cup draw, am I right?

yep that was based on fifa rankings

[geysir]

I think I'll wait until I see the first table before coming to grips with it.
It looks like they have gone all FIFA with their ranking system but only using competitive games.
Or is there anybody who wants to hazard an educated guess where we are now.
Looks like they are using Lira for points

[pineapple stu]

The first table's at the bottom of the link. We're 25th.

[geysir]

Thanks.

Then at least we can't drop down much during the Euro finals.
I see only Austria below us

[gspain]

The first table isn't much use. It is calculated as if the draw was today.

It has a 20% weighting for 2004 and 40% each for 2006 and 2008.

The next draw is in approx December 2009 for the 2012 qualifiers. 2004 will be discarded. 2006 will drop to 20%, 2008 will stay at 40% and 2010 qualifiers only will count for 40%.

So our current position in reality is unknown unless somebody has done a table with a 20% weighting for 2006 and a 40% weighting for 2008.

I can't find such a table anywhere.

[geysir]

As you said yourself we haven't won a game against a decent team in 7 years,
we don't know if we have a future yet.

We are part of the 21 steps program now.
It's one game at a time.

[Greenforever]

The first table isn't much use. It is calculated as if the draw was today.

It has a 20% weighting for 2004 and 40% each for 2006 and 2008.

The next draw is in approx December 2009 for the 2012 qualifiers. 2004 will be discarded. 2006 will drop to 20%, 2008 will stay at 40% and 2010 qualifiers only will count for 40%.

So our current position in reality is unknown unless somebody has done a table with a 20% weighting for 2006 and a 40% weighting for 2008.

I can't find such a table anywhere.

17 points from 10 games in 2006 qualifiers 1.7 X .2 = .34

17 points from 12 games in 2008 qualifiers 1.4 x .4 = .56

Current total = .9

To be 1st seeds is about 2.2 and 2nd seeds about 2 under the old system so very roughly we are looking at

Tl points in 2010 qualifiers Average X.4 Co Efficent
27 2.7 1.08 1.98
22 2.2 0.88 1.78


A first seeding is impossible

A second seeding is almost impossible

A third seeding could be a minor miracle

Off course the above assumptions could be way off the mark

One interesting thing, if they are counting the final stages, a team who plays 3 matches and only gets 3 points could see their coefficent badly affected unless they are weighting the finals differently.

[eekers]

The first table isn't much use. It is calculated as if the draw was today.

It has a 20% weighting for 2004 and 40% each for 2006 and 2008.

The next draw is in approx December 2009 for the 2012 qualifiers. 2004 will be discarded. 2006 will drop to 20%, 2008 will stay at 40% and 2010 qualifiers only will count for 40%.

So our current position in reality is unknown unless somebody has done a table with a 20% weighting for 2006 and a 40% weighting for 2008.

I can't find such a table anywhere.

http://lucrurineinteresante.blogspot...fficients.html

1 Italy 36876
2 Germany 35769
3 Czech Republic 34607
4 France 34218
5 Croatia 33989
6 Spain 33922
7 Romania 33724
8 Netherlands 33672
9 Greece 33557
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10 Portugal 32789
11 Sweden 32681
12 England 32430
13 Turkey 30367
14 Russia 30182
15 Switzerland 29651
16 Bulgaria 29196
17 Israel 29085
18 Norway 28599
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19 Scotland 27951
20 Serbia 27884
21 Denmark 27669
22 Finland 26045
23 Ireland 25312
24 Slovakia 25312
25 Austria 25152
26 Northern Ireland 24062
27 Belgium 22608
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28 Bosnia-Herzegovina 22440
29 Lithuania 22151
30 Hungary 21012
31 Wales 20890
32 Latvia 20737
33 Belarus 20357
34 Macedonia 20098
35 Slovenia 19868
36 Albania 19432
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37 Cyprus 18718
38 Estonia 18154
39 Georgia 18099
40 Moldova 17956
41 Armenia 16473
42 Liechtenstein 15334
43 Iceland 15090
44 Kazakhstan 14483
45 Azerbaijan 12834
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46 Malta 12728
47 Luxembourg 10486
48 Andorra 9861
49 Faroe Islands 8867
50 San Marino 7839
51 Montenegro 0

[Greenforever]

it's about as complicated as it gets, still we might claw our way up to a 2nd seed for the 2012 euros

[gspain]

Thanks really appreciate that.

Better than I thought - 3rd seed looks safe enough.

[Edgar]

http://lucrurineinteresante.blogspot...fficients.html

Thanks eekers!

One interesting thing, if they are counting the final stages, a team who plays 3 matches and only gets 3 points could see their coefficent badly affected unless they are weighting the finals differently.

No EURO 2008 team will fall below you, I'm afraid. But you can get closer and with a good WCQ 2010 campaign, you can hope to reach the second pot.

See here -> link.

[del_carroll]

jeez, we've not done too badly...if i was portugal i'd be somewhat cross...behind

3 Czech Republic 34607
4 France 34218
5 Croatia 33989
6 Spain 33922
7 Romania 33724
8 Netherlands 33672
9 Greece 33557

finalists last time, 4th place at the world cup etc, best team in europe at the moment on current form

[irishultra]

Portugal were **** in qualifying for the Euros. Have you ever seen some of their results? I don't know how they end up qualifying because they always seem to be held at home.

[Scooby Doo]

god surprised at romania's position.
looks like this system will make friendly games even more meaningless.

[Edgar]

god surprised at romania's position.

Romania finished 2 points behind the Czech Republic in the 2006 WC qualifiers - 25 points in 12 games, then topped their group in the EURO 2008 qualifiers.

As EURO 2004 results are dropped, Romania are in the same situation as Greece: didn't make it to Germany 2006, then won their EURO 2008 preliminary group.