Ireland V All Blacks-Saturday 7th June

**OneRedArmy** · 06/06/2008, 10:03 AM

Disappointed in Fitzgerald but thank God Eddie is gone, if he was still in charge Horgan would've been moved into the centre and whatever about Wallace's limitations, he's a better centre than Horgan.

To whoever asked if we have no better options at centre, in D'Arcy and Trimble's absence the answer is probably no.

Wallace really needs to stand up defensively.

**pete** · 07/06/2008, 8:30 AM

8-8 half time.

Sivivatu & Wallace tries. Pouring rain & very poor crowd. Line out poor. O'Driscoll & Horgan dozy.

**OneRedArmy** · 07/06/2008, 9:00 AM

Well done Horan... Can`t scrummage & zero discipline.

**beautifulrock** · 07/06/2008, 9:02 AM

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Well done Horan... Can`t scrummage & zero discipline.

Correct and you always rely on Marcus to take the wrong option in the open as well.

**OneRedArmy** · 07/06/2008, 9:08 AM

Ireland v New Zealand games have had a depressingly regular pattern over the last 5 years.

& what's happened our lineout? AB`s threw quick, flat (& not necessarily straight) ball to the front, whilst both Flannery & Best threw high, looping arcs to the middle & tail. Madness in the conditions.

**shakermaker1982** · 07/06/2008, 9:36 AM

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Ireland v New Zealand games have had a depressingly regular pattern over the last 5 years.

& what's happened our lineout?

yep decent 60 minutes and then we fall away.

Horan

Jackman did the same thing against Wales back in the 6N. Lost the head and there was no coming back from there. A real sucker punch. I thought Barnes was correct in saying NZ out-munstered Munster. They made yards every single time they went for the pick up and drive. Whereas Wallace was our only real yard gainer today, the others just kept hitting brick walls.

McCaw is an animal, I thought he was outstanding again today as was So'oialo.

**beautifulrock** · 07/06/2008, 10:22 AM

a our line out wa a disater area it mean there was no platform for our attacker so basically BOD, Horgan et al defending or getting ball standing still. If you dont win first up ball in rugby forget it, especially against the All Blacks above all teams.

**paul_oshea** · 07/06/2008, 2:26 PM

I used to love watching Ireland years ago, around from gatlands time and before, limited but gave it their all and in the end there was only a penalty or a try in it. Now its the same aul scheisser everytime, ya "we are confident we reckon we can win this one" and its teh same as always, usual crap. O'connell is not half as good as people make out he is, he can do it in munster cos the level is lower than international but he cant make the step up. The only fella who has consistently made yards going forward and is a good ball carrier is david wallace, the rest are useless and ye'd think given that 7 of the lads played together at club they would at least be organised. Same aul crap and its getting seriously annoying and boring.

**viagogo** · 07/06/2008, 2:34 PM

Despite Ireland leading for a lot of the game always thought All Blacks would win. Agree with the point made above about Ireland getting boring (Seems to be the same thing happening every game-leading early then going on to lose). Horan was stupid giving away the penalty but think we would have lost anyway.

**OneRedArmy** · 07/06/2008, 5:22 PM

Its got nothing to do with being "boring".

Its about lacking physical intensity & dynamism at the breakdown & in general contact (that the AB`s have by the bucketload). O`Connell was actually one of the few Irish players who could hold his ground today (along with Wallace & Buckley when he came on). Jamie Heaslip came crashing down to earth, a real sobering experience. He didn't put a foot right all day, although its tough playing behind a retreating scrum.

Also obvious O`Driscoll`s mind was elsewhere, understandably.