Shels Programme

**James** · 08/08/2003, 7:50 AM

and i use the term program in the loosest meaning of the word, was a joke
boring, zero content, and only what about 12/16pages or summit, in cluding the usual directory of ads.

totally highlights the excellent job done by gerry d and bernie and the lads in the city matchday mag office

Shels -
**** Programme No fans,

**NorthoftheLee** · 08/08/2003, 7:57 AM

Totally agree.

The thing about the regular contributors all being away..Didnt they plan for this???? the program was very poor.....still though the waaaaterford one is still the worst effort I have seen.

But that thing they were selling for 1.50 was fairly pathetic too...just like the Shel fans turnout.....

**The Donie Forde** · 08/08/2003, 8:53 AM

Originally posted by James

totally highlights the excellent job done by gerry d and bernie and the lads in the city matchday mag office

James, it's time for one of us to visit a doctor: that sounded ominously like, well, like PRAISE...

Donie

**niamh** · 08/08/2003, 9:20 AM

Was a poor effort..but maybe they have other programme to be working on for this weekend and then the European one...
And it is August like...people have holidays!

**Dodge** · 08/08/2003, 9:46 AM

I reckon the weekend one will be outsourced...

**pete** · 08/08/2003, 9:54 AM

Why don't shel$ just resign from the league & tour with the "dream team" playing friendlies as they seem to have feck all interest in the eL this country.

**niamh** · 08/08/2003, 10:05 AM

Maybe RTE could start their own Irish version of it with the Sheliban.

**Peadar** · 08/08/2003, 10:13 AM

I actually bought the programme so I probably have more right to be disgusted than most of the rest of you who've already posted your views. It was a disgrace!
Ok, so the print run was going to be small because they wouldn't have sold more than a few hundred but in that case just photocopy the team sheet and charge 10c for it.
Charging �1.50 for pages of ads is daylight robbery.
This programme was without doubt the worst on record.
Someone joked that it would be a collectors item, well since there are only a handfull in circulation then it's quite possible.
Another example of Shels abusing the visiting support.

**Dodge** · 08/08/2003, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by Peadar
Another example of Shels abusing the visiting support.

But not their own fans obviously, only away fans...

Sheliban above said it was the worst away support in Tolka this year, so how many travelled and how many both programmes. If 50 travelled, chances are about 20 programmes were sold so your 30 Euro means sod all to Shels... get over yourself!

**Peadar** · 08/08/2003, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by Dodge
If 50 travelled, chances are about 20 programmes were sold so your 30 Euro means sod all to Shels... get over yourself!

If you actually read my post you'd see that I asked why they had bothered to produce the thing in the first place.
It wasn't until you had bought it that you realised how pathetic it was. The team sheet would have sufficed.

And I sincerly doubt we had the worst away support all season. If we did then Shels only have themselves to blame as they moved the game to Thursday to facilitate a worthless game against the mighty St Pats.
As if you don't play eachother enough times in the season.
I'm sure they'll have a nice programme available though.
With any luck there'll be a big price paid by both clubs for their participation in this weekends Dustbin Tournament.

**Dodge** · 08/08/2003, 10:42 AM

I wasn't having a go at your support I was just saying that the programme wasn't "another example of Shels abusing the visiting support."

**Peadar** · 08/08/2003, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by Dodge
I was just saying that the programme wasn't "another example of Shels abusing the visiting support."

That was thrown there to add a little bit of humour to my post.
I don't think smilies are necessary to highlight sarcasm!

**NorthoftheLee** · 08/08/2003, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by Peadar
I actually bought the programme so I probably have more right to be disgusted than most of the rest of you who've already posted your views. It was a disgrace!

eh...I think the city fans who posted about the programme are actually the people who bought the damn thing so have just as much right to be annoyed as your good self Peadar..I fail to see how you being ripped off is more meaningful than the rest of us getting ripped off.

I have to agree on a team sheet being a better option last night.

still think the waaaterford one was worse though...that had to no content at all...

**Dodge** · 08/08/2003, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by Peadar
That was thrown there to add a little bit of humour to my post.
I don't think smilies are necessary to highlight sarcasm!

When you end a rant, with another rant, its not sarcasm...

**Peadar** · 08/08/2003, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by Dodge
When you end a rant, with another rant, its not sarcasm...

What rant?
I have never been "abused" by Shels fans or officials.
It's topical at the moment though and I stuck in a little dig for a giggle. No rant, no personal opinion.
The programme wasn't worth printing, that's the point I'm making.

**Cityace** · 08/08/2003, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by NorthoftheLee
eh...I think the city fans who posted about the programme are actually the people who bought the damn thing so have just as much right to be annoyed as your good self Peadar..I fail to see how you being ripped off is more meaningful than the rest of us getting ripped off.

Agreed.

**The Donie Forde** · 08/08/2003, 12:52 PM

Didn't see the Shels programme last nite, but here are a few general observations about attitudes to club programmes:

* People crib. If Shels had produced a beauty last nite I'd doubt that ANYONE would have been bothered to post here saying how good it actually was.

* I think Shels have consistently produced a fairly decent programme over the years and there may have been reasons why last nite's was a bit lightweight...

* Co-operation between clubs is very important in programme production. On that point I'd personally like to praise Shels who have always been of tremendous assistance to us on the CCFC programme.

* Programmes, IMO, are vitally important to our game. Others disagree, as is their right, but as we have such an impoverished written history of domestic football, programmes can and should go some way to filling that gap.

* The standard of programmes needs to be raised. We have done it this season, other clubs have done it in the past. Overall, a united effort is required for programmes to become an essential part of enjoying Irish football. The standard will only be raised, however, when programmes are sold in higher numbers, when they are better supported. Much like the league itself...

* In fairness to programme editors around the country, they are often the sole holders of club info (try asking any club secretary for historical or general information...), a service they provide for clubs and fans. Also prog eds generally have to produce the best effort they can almost IN SPITE of the club they are 'working' for as clubs rarely give a toss about what's between the covers of an issue, or production difficulties/deadlines.

* The standard also needs to be raised because when you pay for something that lets you down from a value for money perspective you generally tend not to purchase again, or as frequently, thus affecting all programme production, not just the club that left you down.

All thoughts welcome!

Donie

**Peadar** · 08/08/2003, 12:55 PM

I know that James, Niamh, Pete, Dodge and The Donie Ford didn't buy programmes, that just leaves you and I.
My point was that I had been tricked into thinking that I was buying a programme whereas the lads read mine and noted how poor it was. Shels gave the impression that they were selling a match programme when the truth was they were selling something which actually resembled the pull-out section of a proper programme.
If people hadn't bought a programme then it didn't really matter to them what the standard was like.

**James** · 08/08/2003, 1:01 PM

Originally posted by Peadar
I know that James, Niamh, Pete, Dodge and The Donie Ford didn't buy programmes, that just leaves you and I.

ok on that point peadar
i arrived into the ground to set up flags and whatnot.. was told to move after we had things setup from the main stand over to the riverside(even we knew it was closed then over to where we ended up behind the goal.
by that stage ppl had already commented to me how crap the program was and i had seen it and looked at it, and agreed it was crap
word of mouth peadar - its very very important in sales sont ya know

why then wud i buy it?

would paying the money for the prog even though i knew b4hand it was crap then entitle me in your eyes to comment on it peadar???

i actually have progs from 90% of the away matches i've been to this and last season.

**Cityace** · 08/08/2003, 1:07 PM

Originally posted by The Donie Forde
Didn't see the Shels programme last nite, but here are a few general observations about attitudes to club programmes:

* People crib. If Shels had produced a beauty last nite I'd doubt that ANYONE would have been bothered to post here saying how good it actually was.

All thoughts welcome!

Donie

Well mabye no-one would have said anything because thats the way their supposed to be?