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    Quote Originally Posted by Réiteoir View Post
    And the term "Elite Referee" is the equivalent of the "Select Group" in England. The referees on the Elite Group would do the majority of Prem games and maybe drop down to a First Division fixture once in a while.
    But Hancock does plenty of top level matches, big ones too, surely he's in the Elite group?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Réiteoir View Post
    Nah - this is one of the conditions laid down by UEFA in the Refereeing Devleopment Plan that's just been introduced - transparency and accountability.
    I don't think so.

    There were other very bad refereeing decisions earlier in the season and we had no 'transparency and accountability' then.

    Imho - it's a reaction to the cumulative airing it got on MNS. Where's the 'transparency and accountability' on Hancock in Dundalk Vs Shels last Friday?
    Does the UEFA Refereeing Devleopment Plan extend to the First Division?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fintan Cassidy View Post
    Does the UEFA Refereeing Devleopment Plan extend to the First Division?
    There's be no feckin refs left, the standard is so poor.
    If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fintan Cassidy View Post
    It's Hanney & Tuite according to:
    Hanney had to go, twas terrible stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sfc red View Post
    Exactly. Very much doubt there were Observers even at those games. I reckon they were both punished solely on footage seen on MNS
    There was an observer at the Dundalk game, and, apparently, he was none too happy with Hancock's performance. But because it was in the First Division and nobody outside of Oriel saw it, it has obviously been brushed under the carpet seeing as he's reffing a Premier game tonight. Tuite and Hanney were obviously only punished as they were embarrassed on national TV.

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    How long will it be before they decide to go on strike? or even just give up the game altogether?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sfc red View Post
    Exactly. Very much doubt there were Observers even at those games. I reckon they were both punished solely on footage seen on MNS
    AFAIK there is an observer at every game.
    I missed MNS - what did Hanney and Tuite do (or not do) that was shown on MNS?

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    Tuite missed a Bray defender on the line blatently handling the ball to stop it going in. I'm not sure about the other guy.

    Is there a list anywhere of which refs have done which games BTW?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlesThompson View Post
    How long will it be before they decide to go on strike? or even just give up the game altogether?
    I have some sympathy for referees collectively, but there's no doubt that the increased TV coverage (as in England) is highlighting the high level of incorrect decisions.

    I'm not sure if having two refs would address the problem as whilst a lot of the errors are down to poor positioning, in a lot of cases the referee clearly sees the incident and still makes the wrong call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schumi View Post
    Tuite missed a Bray defender on the line blatently handling the ball to stop it going in. I'm not sure about the other guy.
    Hanney turned down a penalty shout and sent off Jamie McKenzie for diving at Turner's Cross (second yellow, the first was pretty dodgy too if I remember it right) when it was in fact a stonewall peno. A woeful decision.

    Nail on head all those who said that if Dundalk-Shels had been on telly there might have been three refs with five weeks off. Another reason to show Div 1 highlights maybe?
    This is purely in response to being highlighted so starkly, and publicly. But it's none the worse for that. Hope the refs body have started (albeit well overdue) as they mean to go on. And that MNS keep showing up those unacceptable performances.
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    The Dundalk Shels game was one of the most exciting games I've ever seen. Would have looked good on tv. Once they didn't show the halftime entertainment

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    I love the way the Dundalk lads are going on about the Shels game last week
    Do you even know what the red cards were handed out for ??

    He probably deserves to be suspended for the double booking and no red card of Keddy but I thought overall he was ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by higgins View Post
    Do you even know what the red cards were handed out for??
    Cassidy was sent-off for running at the linesman! He never said a word to him, just ran at him. Apparently it's called "intentional dissent".

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    elite ,school of excellence blody hell who picks them terms
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    Quote Originally Posted by passerrby View Post
    elite ,school of excellence blody hell who picks them terms
    The PR department picks them, going forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by holidaysong View Post
    Good news, I agree that they should be named and shamed however.
    We dont really need to be shaming them to be honest. If it forces them to improve then it will be enough. That's the objective. I know we all feel hard done by but they are a vital part of the game and i dont think shame on its own will help them improve. A big part in this would be the will to change and improve, honest observation of the performances and seeking to improve upon decisions/games where they know they made mistakes.

    Quote Originally Posted by CharlesThompson View Post
    How long will it be before they decide to go on strike? or even just give up the game altogether?
    Exactly, there is alot of time and effort goes in on their behalf and that has to be recognised. If they start throwing the towel then it can only get worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by OneRedArmy View Post
    I'm not sure if having two refs would address the problem as whilst a lot of the errors are down to poor positioning, in a lot of cases the referee clearly sees the incident and still makes the wrong call.
    Two refs is a no go, not a chance. If games in other leagues have only one ref there is no reason it cant be done here. They just need to improve. Maybe even have more refs and invest in training etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by stann View Post
    This is purely in response to being highlighted so starkly, and publicly. But it's none the worse for that. Hope the refs body have started (albeit well overdue) as they mean to go on. And that MNS keep showing up those unacceptable performances.
    Highlighting it is good and i think all the refs would agree as well. If its a means to an end then its a good thing. If we ever want to game to improve here then we need refs to progress as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by passerrby View Post
    elite ,school of excellence blody hell who picks them terms
    Generic UEFA Terms - I'm part of our County FA School of Excellence here in England - but it goes under a slightly different name of "Referees Devleopment Group".

    One of my colleagues works closely with the Bedfordshire FA School of Excellence - they're all down at a tournament in the east of England this weekend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by passerrby View Post
    elite ,school of excellence blody hell who picks them terms

    What do you expect them to call it, school of mediocrity ?
    Wouldnt exactly inspire any refs to try their best would it ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lilywhites View Post
    Cassidy was sent-off for running at the linesman! He never said a word to him, just ran at him. Apparently it's called "intentional dissent".

    So a player acts the tit but lets blame the ref as usual.

    No sympathy for the player, we need a lot more of those decisions and maybe eventually people will start to get the message and cop themselves on
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    Quote Originally Posted by monutdfc View Post
    I missed MNS - what did Hanney and Tuite do (or not do) that was shown on MNS?
    What planet have you been on for the past week

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